Hawk Newsome BLM "If this country doesn't give us what we want we will burn down the system.."

Radagast said:

It's their job to block all the legislation that they disapprove of.

The founders deliberately set up a system where it's hard to get legislation passed. They had reasons.

That's like saying that gravity is wrong. The US Constitution is what it is. Those features that deliberately favour smaller states are never going to be changed.

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My point is that when your legitimacy comes from representing the people you govern, actually doing that sometimes is a good idea.

Your defense of the current system and how it is being used to subvert the people at every turn is noted.

The problem though isn't solved that way, and it is caused by people not thinking they are represented by government.

To your point that it will never be changed. I doubt very much that it will stay stable like it is, not forever anyway. Systems of government fall apart when they routinely fail to answer long term political problems.

rjs330 said:

So how do the rioters start? We're they part of the protests or did they just run out of side streets and start rioting? Were you just walking with a group of nice people when suddenly out of nowhere some people ran in with bricks and started rioting. Is that what happened?

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I’m sorry, I think I was misleading. I’ve never witnessed a riot, but I’ve witnessed a lot of police aggression and brutality. I’ve witnessed a protester throw something at the cops (water bottle or other harmless item) 4 times in 16 years of protesting. 2 of the 4 times, the crowd ejected the water bottle thrower, tossed them to the cops in disgust. Rioters wait until it’s dark and don’t usually hang with the peaceful protesters when they decide to start stuff, because the protesters will try to stop it. Rioting is rare, and you are smearing protesters by conflating the two. The numbers don’t lie.

Radagast said:

"No justice, no peace" is an explicit threat of violence.

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“There can be no justice without peace,
and there can be no peace without justice.”
-MLK Jr.

variant said:

My point is that when your legitimacy comes from representing the people you govern, actually doing that sometimes is a good idea.

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The Senators represent their states. They reject legislation that people in their state wouldn't like. That's their job.

The Senate is one feature of government that's pretty much the same for you as it is for us. One of our Prime Ministers notoriously called our Senate "unrepresentative swill." But no, they were just doing their job.

variant said:

Your defense of the current system and how it is being used to subvert the people at every turn is noted.

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Oh, a threat.

"One reason for my alarm is that, when he closes his eyes, he arrives, not in New Jerusalem, but on some august day of outrage when hellikins cavort through ruined drawing-rooms and fish-wives intervene in the Chamber or

some autumn night of delations and noyades when the unrepentant thieves (including me) are sequestered and those he hates shall hate themselves instead."

Radagast said:

The Senators represent their states. They reject legislation that people in their state wouldn't like. That's their job.

The Senate is one feature of government that's pretty much the same for you as it is for us. One of our Prime Ministers notoriously called our Senate "unrepresentative swill." But no, they were just doing their job.

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The senate is supposed to debate and distill legislation, not simply halt it. If you actually read any of our founders views on the issue...

The other option it has is to offer alternative legislation. But, again, none of this happens, the only thing the senate does is not address things.

Oh, a threat.

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You read that as a threat? What am I threatening to do exactly?

In the paragraphs after that I tell you how this is going to go. Take the warning or dismiss it as you please. What I can tell you is that governments which routinely ignore long term political problems eventually collapse.

Sparagmos said:

I asked first

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I don't know. It appears it's a lot. And it appears they are hanging out with the peaceful folks until they go off.

variant said:

The senate is supposed to debate and distill legislation, not simply halt it. If you actually read any of our founders views on the issue...

The other option it has is to offer alternative legislation. But, again, none of this happens, the only thing the senate does is not address things.



You read that as a threat? What am I threatening to do exactly?

In the paragraphs after that I tell you how this is going to go. Take the warning or dismiss it as you please. What I can tell you is that governments which routinely ignore long term political problems eventually collapse.

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Perhaps you can share with us some legislation they are blocking and are not offering any thing different and have no intention of offering.

And have you forgotten that they are there by the will of the people? The people voted them there and want them to address certain things. And since the Republicans there are a majority they are acting on behalf of the majority who voted for them. And the Democrats are doing the same in the house. We can't say the house is subverting the will of the people. Since they are in the majority. We'll see come voting time if the people still agree with what they are doing. In the house and the Senate.

Aldebaran said:

Yes, you must have missed all the fires that were set to thousands of businesses, including those owned and run by blacks and immigrants. Those were the real objects being burnt down.

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They are not the ‘System’ though, are they? An abstract concept is not a building.

Radagast said:

"No justice, no peace" is an explicit threat of violence.

It has nothing to do with that verse from Jeremiah, which continues (v 15): "'Were they ashamed when they committed abomination? No, they were not at all ashamed; they did not know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; at the time that I punish them, they shall be overthrown,' says the Lord."

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Patrick Henry's use of this verse was in the same speech where he said "give me liberty or give me death", the context was about the abominations the Red Coats were committing like the Boston Massacre. Seems extremely relevant to the current times with BLM.

To speak directly to your point Jeremiah is talking about the government claiming they have reformed and fixed the abuses of power when in fact they haven't fixed anything. As a result society is like a pot boiling but with the lid sealed shut, the abominations committed heats the pot more and more like watching videos of one person get killed after another, until the pot explodes and the government is overthrown, as it was in the days of Patrick Henry

variant said:

To your point that it will never be changed. I doubt very much that it will stay stable like it is, not forever anyway. Systems of government fall apart when they routinely fail to answer long term political problems.

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Approximately 2,000 years ago Paul presented a vision of God's kingdom on Earth where there is no Jew nor Gentile, no slave nor free, no male or female. Now at the time, in the Middle East, that would have been an extremely revolutionary thing to say, audacious. In fact, even today it is audacious, 2,000 years later. However, we are making progress. It is very possible that with the cyber revolution and AI revolution that we will approximate a world like this shortly.

The interesting thing is that I always hear about this stuff first through white conservatives repeating what they hear through white conservative media.

Black people aren't really following all this BLM stuff anywhere nearly as closely as conservative whites are following it. We don't pay much attention to every individual who grabs a microphone and claims to be speaking for BLM.

Some of those are even ridiculed in black circles, such as Shaun King, who gives white conservatives the heeby-jeebies, but blacks nicknamed him "Talcum X."

RDKirk said:

Some of those are even ridiculed in black circles, such as Shaun King, who gives white conservatives the heeby-jeebies, but blacks nicknamed him "Talcum X."

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I really don’t care for our current political climate of trolling and school yard taunts but that’s funny.

ZNP said:

I think BLM could learn a lot from the Revolutionaries like Washington. "Give me liberty or give me death" (Patrick Henry) not that different from "No justice, no peace", both of which are derivative of a quote by Jeremiah 6:14 They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious. ‘Peace, peace,’ they say, when there is no peace.

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I prefer "No Jesus, no peace; know Jesus, know peace"

ArmenianJohn said:

I prefer "No Jesus, no peace; know Jesus, know peace"

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I agree, that is the point of the book of Galatians, I have been posting on that in my blog.

J Bella Funk said:

It becomes more and more evident that the left wants us to feel like we are victims so they can get our vote.

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Assuming that you mean Democrats when you say “the left,” it’s black leaders, not white democrats, who initiated the call to end racism and oppression. The Dems are simply responding to calls from the black community. The idea that blacks are victims of oppression did not originate with the Democratic Party, it originated with black people living under oppression. The black leaders in my city talk about this all of the time, it would be really insulting for me to assume that they got the idea that they are victims from white democrats.

J Bella Funk said:

And they are also doing the same with immigrants. Pretending like they care but once again it is only to secure their vote.

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. The policies of the Democratic Party are explicitly and drastically better for immigrants than the policies of the Republican Party. The Dems in Congress have fought tooth and nail for the dreamers (DACA) and to keep immigrant families together. Where do you get the idea they are just pretending? Pretty much all of the Dems I know genuinely care about the plight of immigrants in our country, if our sentiment is genuine I think it follows that those among us who run for office also genuinely care. If they didn’t care they could just join the Republican Party where their anti-immigrant stance would be welcomed.

RDKirk said:

The interesting thing is that I always hear about this stuff first through white conservatives repeating what they hear through white conservative media.

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Usually the same white conservatives who consider the "lamestream" media unreliable.

Black people aren't really following all this BLM stuff anywhere nearly as closely as conservative whites are following it. We don't pay much attention to every individual who grabs a microphone and claims to be speaking for BLM.

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Some people know firsthand what and where the troubles are... others need to be instructed.

Some of those are even ridiculed in black circles, such as Shaun King, who gives white conservatives the heeby-jeebies, but blacks nicknamed him "Talcum X."

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In some white conservative circles, one Svary Black Man is as good as any other.

J Bella Funk said:

This is getting pretty scary. He also doubles down on the statement made by Shaun King that white Jesus is a form of white supremacy which you can see in the video below.


president Hawk Newsome:

“If this country doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it.”

leader of Black Lives Matter's New York chapter on Wednesday said the movement was prepared to "burn down this system" if the U.S. does not work with participants to enact real change.

"If this country doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it," said Hawk Newsome, chairman of Black Lives Matter of Greater New York, during an interview with Fox News. "I could be speaking figuratively, I could be speaking literally. It's a matter of interpretation."

Newsome went on to clarify that while "I don't condone nor do I condemn rioting," the measurable change that has occurred in recent weeks began in the wake of property destruction caused by rioters.

"This country is built upon violence," Newsome said, pointing to the American Revolution and modern American diplomacy as examples. "We go in and we blow up countries and we replace their leaders with leaders who we like. So for any American to accuse us of being violent, it's extremely hypocritical."

https://www.newsweek.com/blm-leader-well-burn-system-down-if-us-wont-give-us-what-we-want-1513422

I don't allow this to anger me, and I pray for spiritual guidance for myself, family, and all of America. I am worried for the cities where these movements are taking place. What is this kind of behavior teaching the young generation of America? What are parents telling their children about this movement? I pray that America can come together and unite as one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Planned Parenthood stands with BLM. More black babies are aborted annually in NYC than born alive.

I have facts regarding police brutality which I'll post on another thread.

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It is interesting that saying the system needs to be razed to the ground to fight against racism, corruption and human rights violations evolves fear from citizens of the same system. This is especially true when some people would rather let the entire nation be destabilized by foreign entities because they cannot reconcile their enmity.

We are repeating history less than 100 years old. There will be no revolution, because like children Americans would rather allow ignored history and consistent mistreatment of our own citizens to be exploited - than to actually fix the problem and confront the history in an honest way. America(ns) have already given this nation to foreign nations that actually have a cohesive identity as one "nation". America is a conglomerate of ideologies - based and built on the brutal and dehumanizing slave labor of other humans. It would bound to fail but I didn't think it would only take 2 centuries.

The only thing holding America together is the racism... which is, of course, the same thing that has been tearing it apart. American didn't just "become" divided 20 years ago; the last lynching was in Alabama in 1981. People are being killed on the street, the president is using force on peaceful protestors, you can still blame [we all know the ethnic group] for anything - even threaten to call the cops - and it means jail time or death. "We" begged for this nation to collapse when we reneged on our identification of certain people as human, and continued to treat them as less than human. We made systems to ensure that there would be a depth of social, psychological, emotional or existential ignorance about these people, and now that "it's come to roost", we want to do the same things we did less than 100 years ago to go back to when America was great again.

Again, America gets no revolution; that is a luxurious exercise of human right and dignity reserved for people that are 1) together, and 2) know enough of their history to know who the actual enemy is. America may get a race/civil war, because that is what America wants.