Russian Bounty on US Soldiers...and Trump’s known for months...

Belk · Jul 1, 2020

rjs330 said:
Thats what I'm asking. The accusation was out there, but was it verified? I'm sure the intelligence community was all told "hey these guys said the Russians are paying bounties for dead US soldiers."

Bilut that doesn't make it true. I just read that some unnamed officials said that back in February the information was put in the Daily Brief. But there were still concerns over the validity of the issue.

So I don't know. This is all very troubling to me. I don't know if we are all getting good info from anyone.

Some "officials" have said they found a money trail from Russia to the Taliban. Which would not surprise me in the least. Russia is NOT our friend and never has been. That Russia would support the Taliban is exactly something they would do. I'm sure they oppose us everywhere. They do stuff to mess with our elections, to sow chaos. When I think bounty though I think "for every American soldier you kill we'll pay you a million bucks", or something like that rather than "oh, you are fighting Americans? Here's a million bucks for your war."

Anyway, it appears Trump wasn't told about it because they hadn't verified it.

I'm just going to wait and see at this point.

So the reporting in the NYT was accurate yes? This is being reported by US intelligence communities?

disciple Clint · Jul 1, 2020

jgarden said:
Since when has this President required proof and certification when he chooses to go public with unsubstantiated accusations - his recent assertion that Joe Scarborough, one of his fiercest critics on MSNBC, was involved in the death of his female assistant is just one in a long succession of bogus claims!

With 17 American intelligence agencies, the White House is never going to have unanimity on every claim, but those attaining a "high degree of confidence" should be brought to the President's attention - particularly when Trump's in the habit of doing the Russians favors such as recently withdrawing US troops out of Germany and/or inviting Putin to rejoin the G7!

Are we avoiding the fact that the president was not told but at the same time blaming him because he should have been told. Come on man.

disciple Clint · Jul 1, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
I'm willing to accept that Donald knew nothing. Intel should only be shared with people who might do something useful with it.

another pointless snipe, you never run out do you?

jgarden · Jul 1, 2020

disciple Clint said:
This is a classic example of how the msm works and how the public are played for fools. NYT posts a story based on who knows what because they never name or investigate a source and have been found to make up stories all on their own, the other msm repeat the report by saying the NYT is reporting.... then the commentary shows ask experts what Trump should be doing or should have done as if the report was ever a fact and then of course we have a bunch of negative coverage based on nothing. The hate Trump people want to believe anything negative about Trump so they repeat the story and post on it even though they are told time after time that there are no facts to support it. People seem to want to be fooled and do not want the facts to disturb their preconceived beliefs.

Once again this President and his supporters would rather attack the New York Times, CNN , MSNBC, the rest of world's "free" press and/or the US intelligence community rather than Vladimir Putin and the Russians!

Given that after 4 days, the Trump Administration has yet to produce any evidence that would confirm this President's denials, this represents a less than compelling response to this story which is based on multiple sources, naming names as to who served as the Russian intermediary in Afghanistan and large amounts of money recovered from his household!

Before this President summarily dismisses the whole Russian bounty story as a hoax, why wouldn't Commander-in-Chief at the very least have it thoroughly re investigated once again to assure American troops that the reports were false?

disciple Clint · Jul 1, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
Except our own it would seem.

You seem quite certain of that... why?

Unlike people who talk without knowledge, some of us have previous experience with the intel world. anyone who wanted to know the facts of how the system works could easily find out but they that might spoil the opportunity to post unsubstantiated garbage.

jgarden · Jul 1, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Are we avoiding the fact that the president was not told but at the same time blaming him because he should have been told. Come on man.

Allowing John Bolton to speak freely and releasing a redacted version of the February 27th, 2020 Presidential daily briefing might have gone a long way to supporting this President's claims!

Now that he does know about the reports of Russian bounties, why is Trump summarily dismissing them as a false - other than his personal opinions and Putin's denials, what proof can this President produce that the intelligence from US agencies and the NYT stories are all hoaxes?

disciple Clint · Jul 1, 2020

TLK Valentine said:
You misspelled "believed."

Can you confirm this?

You can, information on intelligence gathering and reporting is available on line, go for it. Spelling, seriously you should stick to this, it is an area you have some expertise.

disciple Clint · Jul 1, 2020

jgarden said:
All this President need do is allow John Bolton to state publicly that he didn't brief him on this matter and release a declassified version of his February 27th, 2020 version of his daily brief showing that there was no mention of Russian bounties - the fact that he has done neither speaks volumes!

WRONG the president is not compelled to refute the false stories of the NYT. The current national security advisor has already said that Trump was not briefed on this, my gosh accept the facts instead of fiction.

disciple Clint · Jul 1, 2020

jgarden said:
Once again this President and his supporters would rather attack the New York Times, CNN , MSNBC, the rest of world's "free" press and/or the US intelligence community rather than Vladimir Putin and the Russians!

Given that after 4 days, the Trump Administration has yet to produce any evidence that would confirm this President's denials, this represents a less than compelling response to this story which is based on multiple sources, naming names as to who served as the Russian intermediary in Afghanistan and large amounts of money recovered from his household!

Before this President summarily dismisses the whole Russian bounty story as a hoax, why wouldn't Commander-in-Chief at the very least have it thoroughly re investigated once again to assure American troops that the reports were false?

"which is based on multiple sources, naming names as to who served as the Russian intermediary in Afghanistan and large amounts of money recovered from his household!"
Where is the evidence for what you posted here?

disciple Clint · Jul 1, 2020

jgarden said:
Allowing John Bolton to speak freely and releasing a redacted version of the February 27th, 2020 Presidential daily briefing might have gone a long way to supporting this President's claims!

Now that he does know about the reports of Russian bounties, why is Trump summarily dismissing them as a false - other than his personal opinions and Putin's denials, what proof can this President produce that the intelligence from US agencies and the NYT stories are all hoaxes?

The President of The United States is not going to lower the position to the point of answering false NYT reports. The NYT has the burden of proof and I have yet to see them support their story.

rjs330 · Jul 2, 2020

Belk said:
So the reporting in the NYT was accurate yes? This is being reported by US intelligence communities?

Is that all they are reporting? If that's it then the reporting is accurate.

camille70 · Jul 2, 2020

disciple Clint said:
WRONG the president is not compelled to refute the false stories of the NYT. The current national security advisor has already said that Trump was not briefed on this, my gosh accept the facts instead of fiction.

The families of the deceased and currently serving military deserve a better response than what he has offered thus far.

disciple Clint · Jul 2, 2020

camille70 said:
The families of the deceased and currently serving military deserve a better response than what he has offered thus far.

OK time to look at this from a functional viewpoint. One the military was made aware of this intelligence back when it became known. Two the troops in that area have been sequestered for some time for reasons other than this intel.
Now put yourself in the shoes of the force protection officer for this area. You receive a message telling you this information about the Russians and the Taliban, now I am going to clean up his or her reaction to this message. Wow! the Russians are encouraging the Taliban to kill U.S. troops. Hot news flash!, now there is some actionable intelligence, who would have thought. In other words the troops were already on alert, as protected as possible and understood the risks of being in country. This intelligence changed absolutely nothing.

disciple Clint · Jul 2, 2020

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So the president that put the missiles defense system in Poland and provided weapons to the Ukraine when Obama only sent blankets and pillows is a friend of Russia? Strange logic that post displays.

camille70 · Jul 2, 2020

disciple Clint said:
OK time to look at this from a functional viewpoint. One the military was made aware of this intelligence back when it became known. Two the troops in that area have been sequestered for some time for reasons other than this intel.
Now put yourself in the shoes of the force protection officer for this area. You receive a message telling you this information about the Russians and the Taliban, now I am going to clean up his or her reaction to this message. Wow! the Russians are encouraging the Taliban to kill U.S. troops. Hot news flash!, now there is some actionable intelligence, who would have thought. In other words the troops were already on alert, as protected as possible and understood the risks of being in country. This intelligence changed absolutely nothing.

Since this has become public, I've seen families speak out. They deserve a better response than they are getting.

camille70 · Jul 2, 2020

disciple Clint said:
So the president that put the missiles defense system in Poland and provided weapons to the Ukraine when Obama only sent blankets and pillows is a friend of Russia? Strange logic that post displays.

Fact-checking Trump's claim that Obama gave Ukraine "pillows and sheets" - CNNPolitics

disciple Clint · Jul 2, 2020

camille70 said:
Since this has become public, I've seen families speak out. They deserve a better response than they are getting.

OK well tell them that their sons and daughters are valued and protected by everyone in the chain of command and there was no shortage of intelligence within the military regarding this threat.

disciple Clint · Jul 2, 2020

camille70 said:
Fact-checking Trump's claim that Obama gave Ukraine "pillows and sheets" - CNNPolitics

how comforting to the parents who lost sons and daughters because they did not have adequate weapons to stop the treats they were facing.

Kentonio · Jul 2, 2020

disciple Clint said:
Are we avoiding the fact that the president was not told but at the same time blaming him because he should have been told. Come on man.

How are you failing to understand this? EVERY DAY the president receives a document providing an update on national security issues, the Presidential Daily Briefing. Reading this is a critical part of his job, as it updates him on what is actually happening in the world and prepares him to deal with the issues most important at the moment. He then has additional verbal briefings, but the written briefing is absolutely vital to ensure he knows what threats are currently facing the US.

This intelligence was in that written briefing back in February. If he claims he didn’t know about this issue then it means he’s not reading the PDB which means he’s not doing one of the most important parts of his job!

This isn’t a barista job at Starbucks, if he’s not bothering to keep up to date on national security then he shouldn’t be anywhere near the White House.

Allandavid · Jul 2, 2020

disciple Clint said:
OK time to look at this from a functional viewpoint. One the military was made aware of this intelligence back when it became known. Two the troops in that area have been sequestered for some time for reasons other than this intel.
Now put yourself in the shoes of the force protection officer for this area. You receive a message telling you this information about the Russians and the Taliban, now I am going to clean up his or her reaction to this message. Wow! the Russians are encouraging the Taliban to kill U.S. troops. Hot news flash!, now there is some actionable intelligence, who would have thought. In other words the troops were already on alert, as protected as possible and understood the risks of being in country. This intelligence changed absolutely nothing.

‘Methinks the lady doth protest too much’....

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