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Hi Lost Follower. Belief in the Holy Trinity is inferred from the Holy Bible, rather than found explicitly in its pages (to leave out the controversy around the Johanine Comma, since that is not found in many ancient versions of the Holy Bible possessed by people who are still staunch believers in the Holy Trinity, so questions about its authenticity are not the problem that some anti-Trinitarians may think they are). The Lord Jesus Christ speaks very often of His relationship to the Father and to the Holy Spirit (e.g., much of the 10th chapter of the Gospel of John, or His statements on the coming of the Holy Spirit in the 14th chapter), such that it is not difficult to see how this belief was established in early Christianity, with the word "Trinity" first appearing in the works of, if I recall correctly without double-checking, HH St. Theophilos of Antioch (c. 170s AD), but the theology underlying the concept dating back to the apostolic age itself, as shown for instance in the epistles of HH St. Ignatius of Antioch in the early 2nd century. St. Ignatius (d. circa 107 AD) was a disciple of St. John, the very same gospel writer, and hence the idea that he was taught incorrectly and was therefore somehow wrong in calling Jesus Christ "God existing in flesh" (as he does in his epistle to the Ephesians) would call into question the ability of the original apostles to actually transmit the faith as they were commanded by Jesus to do in the Great Commission, which is not something that is acceptable by traditional Christian standards.

Knowing this, I think it is rather uncontroversial to state that it is not just some people who believe in the Holy Trinity, but rather all Christian people, though obviously the degree to which any people may have looked into what it means will vary widely. All traditional Christian confessions will at least hold to the Nicene Creed, however, and this explains well enough in simple terms what is acceptable belief in the Christian Church by the fourth century AD. (It is the statement of faith of this very multi-confessional website, for instance.)
 
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The New Catholic Encyclopedia: "The formulation ‘one God in three persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formula that has first claim to the title of the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective." – (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

And,yes, there are Christians who understand the Trinity in a non orthodox manner.
 
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I heard some people believe in the trinity. Is it biblical? Is there any scriptural support for this belief? I would appreciate if you could share your thoughts on this matter.

1 Corinthians 16:23-24.

Yes. It is not something mentioned in scripture but the Trinity is a solution to a scriptural paradox that comes from 1) passages that say "God is One" according to a number of scriptures starting with the Pentateuch, but 2) God in the NT is referred to numerous times as the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" (3 persons).

I actually consider the Trinity to be a "harmonization of scripture" which is where you reconcile to or more different passages that seem to be in conflict, so all of them can be true at the same time. And the process of "harmonization of scripture" itself goes back to the time of the Old Testament, to the time of the days of King Josiah actually.
 
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The New Catholic Encyclopedia: "The formulation ‘one God in three persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formula that has first claim to the title of the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective." – (1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

And,yes, there are Christians who understand the Trinity in a non orthodox manner.
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I heard some people believe in the trinity. Is it biblical? Is there any scriptural support for this belief? I would appreciate if you could share your thoughts on this matter.

Not only is it Biblical, it is compulsory here on CF, if you have a "Christian" label.

See the Statement of Faith that you agreed to when you joined, and its Scriptural evidence: CF Statement of Faith | Christian Forums
 
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I heard some people believe in the trinity. Is it biblical? Is there any scriptural support for this belief? I would appreciate if you could share your thoughts on this matter.

1 Corinthians 16:23-24.

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19
 
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Yes. It is not something mentioned in scripture but the Trinity is a solution to a scriptural paradox ...
It is one proposed solution, but despite it's wide adoption, it's not the only solution.
 
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Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19
Although I can see how you could use this statement to support trinitarian doctrine, can you also see how this statement does not in itself prove it?
 
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It is one proposed solution, but despite it's wide adoption, it's not the only solution.

You mean like 1)Arianism aka -Unitarianism,

2) Monarchianism aka Oneness or Sabellianism,

or 3) Tritheism or Polytheism....

Are you a closet Arian? That would make things spicy.... It does sort of limit your posting on a lot of boards and having an official Blog here. Not sure about this immediate board.....
 
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I'm honestly not familiar with any of those "isms", nor do I care to be slotted into a man-made category. I'm simply a seeker of truth, and that makes me a Christian because Jesus is the truth.


Yeah, but technically the ancient (heretical) Gnostics had similar attitudes, and were also "Christians"....
 
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I heard some people believe in the trinity. Is it biblical? Is there any scriptural support for this belief? I would appreciate if you could share your thoughts on this matter.

1 Corinthians 16:23-24.

There were early groups that believed they were following Jesus that taught he was just a man, or sometimes something more complex like a lot of the Gnostics (who also thought they were following Jesus' teachings) believed. I think the really solid formulation came from Origen who basically said, if I remember his words right, that if there was one God before time and Jesus is eternal (without beginning or end) and the Holy Spirit is eternal, then Jesus and the Holy Spirit must be God.
 
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Not by my definition.

To be fair, that is just your definition. The church in the day didn't call themselves "Christian", they said they were followers of "The Way" of Jesus. I'm not going to look up the intricacies of ancient Greek right now, but it seems the semantics involved meant they defined themselves as followers of the teachings of Jesus. The Christian Gnostics (I just use the word Christian here to distinguish them from the Jewish Gnostics) also believed they were following the teachings of Jesus. The schism between the two didn't occur until decades after both were established and all the apostles were dead.
 
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The previous mention of the Gnostics was just away of showing the problems of people slinging around terms like "man made", especially on subjects that they likewise profess to not know much about.

And I only say this because of all the stuff I've personally seen coming out of the Charismatic movement.... where certain "anointed" ministers could eschew things like like Theology, and Church history, meanwhile preaching their own homebrewed teaching which wasn't always so orthodox (although usually they had the sense to not stray to far from historic Christianity).

Besides which @Freedm there can be a certain paradoxical irony.... Essentially much of the preaching on "By the Spirit" vs. "Man Made" or by tradition etc. really comes out of the Jesus movement, or some other sub movement of Pentecostalism, or the Charismatic movement, and depending on terminology etc. you might be able to trace certain things to a specific preacher like a Ken Hagin, Rick Joyner, etc. (An idiosyncratic teaching, unique to the person)


There also is a lot of irony if you actually study the history of the Bible, Church history etc. Very little in the Bible came purely from God. The 10 Commandments for instance were written directly by the hand of God into stone, and the same with that one little message in the book of Daniel, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN.


But everything else in the Bible comes by way of humanity... It is either God inspiring prophets, or some inspired oral tradition that is committed to paper centuries later, or books and letters written by an inspired apostle etc. And when you get into the actual topic of Canonization of the Bible, you get into something similar. That was not something that came directly by the hand of God, nor was it brought by an angelic messenger etc.


Anyway when it comes to our basic understanding of Christian Theology and doctrine we should not treat it with contempt; because, it is God's will that He works through humanity to do his Will and to build His Church.
 
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I heard some people believe in the trinity. Is it biblical? Is there any scriptural support for this belief? I would appreciate if you could share your thoughts on this matter.

1 Corinthians 16:23-24.
1 John 5:7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 
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1 John 5:7For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
You're quoting the Johanneum comma which did not exist in any Greek manuscripts prior to the 14th century. In other words, it was added in and should not be there.
 
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