THE FALSE TEACHINGS OF UNIVERSALISM - BEWARE!

FineLinen said:

"I want to encourage you, beloved. The Word of God portrays a time and conception of the purpose of Jesus Christ when the world, being redeemed unto Christ, no longer needs the redeeming merit of the Savior. So Jesus, having subjected all things unto Himself, is Himself also subjected unto the Father, that God may be all in all."

"God is not all in all, and never will be all in all, until the will of God rules in the heart of every man, in the soul of every man, until the redemption of Jesus Christ in its great and ultimate purpose becomes a reality, a finality." -John G. Lake-

God is the Source, Guide, Goal of ta panta !

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Please see post # 2001 linked.

God's Word teaches...

1. The unrepentant wicked do not receive eternal life *JOHN 3:36
2. The unrepentant wicked are destroyed after the second coming *2 THESSALONIANS 1:9
3. The unrepentant wicked partake of the second resurrection of condemnation *JOHN 5:28-29
4. The unrepentant wicked in the second resurrection of condemnation partake of the second death in the Lake of fire *REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 21:7-8.
5. There is no more resurrections after the second death and no more death.

Now where is it in any of your post here that says that the unrepentant wicked receive everlasting life after the second coming? I believe one thing though. God's Word will achieve what it has said and that is that all the unrepentant wicked will be destroyed in the second death after the second coming. Something to pray about. Universalism is not biblical.

Hope this helps.

FineLinen said:

Dear Saint Paul: please be advised the broken lady of chance, & polluted waters of broken cisterns, says nada!

“Having made known unto us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will…”

Chance = sunkuria =

A meeting together by a coincidence of [His] circumstances.

A concurrence of events rather than chance.

Please note

There is zero chance involved.

Dr. E.W. Bullinger, The Companion Bible

“We have not an impotent Father, or a disappointed Christ, or a defeated Holy Ghost, as is so commonly preached; but an omnipotent Father, an all-victorious Christ, and an almighty Holy Spirit, able to break the hardest heart and subdue the stoutest will.”

“This much is certain, that we have no theological right to set any sort of limits to the loving-kindness of God which has appeared in Jesus Christ. Our theological duty is to see and understand it as being still greater than we had seen before.” -Karl Barth-

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Yep then we have the bible that says there is zero chance of the unrepentant wicked receiving everlasting life. We should not believe the gambling lady of second chances.

FineLinen said:

You poor blind & broken soul, I assure you again, our God is NOT the God of chances! He determines within Himself that the whole of created life shall find its ending in Him!

“Having made known unto us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He has purposed in Himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in Him: In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who works all things after the counsel of His own will…”

The all: the pas & ta panta.

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For me, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see and must show to all because it is true that I am blind.

Now I walk by faith and not by sight. He tells me it is those that say they see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. Who am I that he should choose me out of the world? I am no one but he is all. If I did not believe him I would be like those who do not know him. What can I do without him? He is love and now I love. I follow him now because I love him who first loved me.

I do not judge you but His Word will judge us because they are there for all to see. All are welcome to see and hear God's Word, however many are called but it seems only a few are chosen because having eyes they see not and having ears they hear not and not knowing the way their lamps have run out and now they sit in darkness..

God's Sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not hear are not His Sheep according to the scriptures.

Do you know these scriptures dear Fine?

FineLinen said:

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I like this meme here of yours and see much truth in it but perhaps I interpret this very differently to you. I see UNIVERSAL DECEIT as being the teachings of UNIVERSALISM.

a-lily-in-the-valley said:

There’s actually nothing that would inherently prevent the current threads of “God is Source” theosophical neopaganism from accepting that Jesus is the only way as long as they were able to accept an abstract “conceptual Christ” which includes purification in the lake of fire as a part of himself.

That’s in contradiction with Matthew 25:41 which says the eternal fire was prepared (it is the object which was acted upon, not the actor) for the devil and his angels.

But it aligns perfectly with the }universalist} writer L’Engle’s book “A Wrinkle in Time” featuring immortal time travelling shape shifting fairies/devis/whatever you want to call them in full sparkle regalia who (from what I read about it, not what I read in it) seem to imply that Jesus Christ was more of an “ascended master” type of teacher figure rather than the Son of God.

Again speaking as someone who literally does not know what will happen in the post-afterlife, that book isn’t good.

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Thanks Lily. For me I like to keep it simple. If it is not in the bible then to me it is not biblical and something that one should be careful of believing and following especially if the scriptures teach the opposite of what someone is claiming to be true.

God bless.

a-lily-in-the-valley said:

Simple is good. But if this conversation taught me anything it’s the awareness that my own interpretation of destruction of the wicked (whether correct or incorrect) is on some level influenced by my own desire for there to be an end to hell.

So I might be incorrect, you might be incorrect, Fine Linen might be incorrect, that Orthodox guy who disagrees with us all might be incorrect, but we can all forgive each other with the underlying acceptance that if any of us could actually unequivocally prove the truth the conversation would have already been over, and we are all at least explaining why our interpretations are what they are.

Those powers and principalities influencing this world (both fictionally and in reality) aren’t incorrect, they are wrong. I think that’s more important than another hundred pages of theology.

God bless you too, and all of us here as well.

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I do not believe in eternal burning Hellfire where the wicked burn in hell forever. This is a catholic teaching that is not biblical. I believe in Gods' Word and it is the Word of God alone that says (not me) the unrepentant wicked are destroyed in the second death after the second coming (scriptures here linked). We need to be believing and following God's Word in the present tense (now) in order to be ready when JESUS returns like a theif in the night tomorrow. For this and what I have shared here I have no boubt.

God bless.

FineLinen said:

You do not believe in the ghastly dogma of unending torment.

You believe the dogma of unending annililation.

Net result =

The Author & Finisher loses the vast majority of His creation.

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No dear friend I do not believe the false teachings of Universalism that teaches that God tortures the unrepentant wicked into repentance until they submit to following him as it is not biblical.

No dear Fine, I do not believe the false teachings of Universalism that teaches that God is not a God of love mercy as well as justice and judgment which makes mockery of the sacrifice of the blood of the covenant of God's dear son for Gods' judgment of sin. For me these teachings are not biblical

No dear Fine I do not believe the false teachings of Universalism that teaches that all the unrepentant wicked receive eternal life while rejecting the gift of God's salvation and counting the blood of the covenant an unholy thing rejecting God's gift of grace and invitation of salvation and everlasting life and that they are all tortured by God in the lake of fire and forced into following God and receive everlasting life while making a mockery of the cross of God's dear son and God's justice and judgment for sin. For me these teachings are not biblical

I believe what God Word says and that God so love the world that he gave us His only begotten son so that whosoever believes on him should not perish but have everlasting life *JOHN 3:16 and that he has made provision for all those who believe and follow His Word *JOHN 1:29.

I believe that God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance and be saved *2 PETER 3:9. I believe that many are called but through the gospel but few will choose to be saved *MATTHEW 22:14; JOHN 3:19-21. I believe that God's saints will receive everlasting life at the second coming and the first ressurrection *JOHN 5:28-29; REVELATION 20:6; JOHN 3:16.

I believe the wicked will be destroyed after the second coming because they reject the free gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing *HEBREWS 10:26-31; 2 THESSALONIANS 1:9; REVELATION 21:7-7; JOHN 3:36 (more scripture here).

I believe those who choose God's gift of salvation receive everlasting life *JOHN 3:16; while those who reject the gift of God's dear son do not choose life but the second death in the lake of fire *REVELATION 20:6; REVELATION 20:14; REVELATION 21:7-8. I believe only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 5:29-31

Universalism is the teachings of the gambling lady of GENESIS 3:1-5. All who follow her teachings drink of the polluted waters from broken cisterns. Those who drink her waters are led away from the Word of God to the teachings of men and woman drunk with the wine of her fornications. Time to come out from her dear friend and drink of the waters of eternal life where we never thirst.

May you receive Gods' Word and be blessed dear friend. Ignoring it does not make it disappear.

FineLinen said:

Good grief: focus!

You do not believe in the ghastly dogma of unending torment.

You believe the dogma of unending annililation.

Net result =

The Author & Finisher loses the vast majority of His creation.

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Our focus is indeed on different things dear Fine. My focus is on what God and His Word says and it is God's Word that is my focus dear friend and this is only where I point all who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Your Focus is on the gambling lady of second chances (Universalism) that those drunken with the polluted waters of broken cisterns teach outside of Gods Word.

I share God's Word only in love to point all to Him who those Words belong. They are Gods' Words not my Words because it is in Gods Word we find JESUS. You share the words of men and woman that I believe are drunken with the false teachings of Universalism (e.g Brennan Manning; David Bentley Hart; Robin Parry; Thomas Allin Hannah Hurnard Madeleine L'Engle; A.T. Pierson; William Law; John G. Lake; Michael Phillips; Richard Rohr etc etc...).

Indeed dear friend our focus is on different things. For me, there is only life in the living Words of God dear Fine not in the gambling lady that teaches the broken doctrine of eternal life through disobedience to Gods' Word *GENESIS 3:1-5. For me only God's Word is true and it is only here you will find the living waters of life and through the living words of JESUS *ROMANS 3:4; JOHN 1:1-4; 14.

Indeed dear friend our focus is on different things. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that deny the Words of God. We cannot serve two masters. It is time to leave the gambling lady of second chances and to stop drinking from the polluted waters of broken cisterns. God is calling all who have ears to hear and eyes to see back to the pure Word of God as God is a Spirit and those who worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth *JOHN 4:23-24.

May you receive God's Word and be blessed dear friend.

The teachings of the Jesus of "UNIVERSALISM" (the gambling lady of second chances)



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What the real teachings of JESUS from the bible says...

"REPENT FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN IS AT HAND" - Matthew 3:2; Matthew 4:17; Mark 1:15; Mark 6:12; Luke 13:3; Luke 13:5

"HE THAT BELIEVES ON THE SON HAS EVERLASTING LIFE: and HE THAT BELIEVES NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; BUT THE WRATH OF GOD STAYS ON HIM. - John 3:36

"UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS EXCEEDS THE RIGHTESOUNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES YOU SHALL IN NO WISE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN." -Matthew 5:19

"FOR IF WE SIN WILLFULLY AFTER THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH, THERE REMAINS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS, BUT A CERTAIN FEARFUL LOOKING FOR OF JUDGMENT AND FIERY INDIGNATION, WHICH SHALL DEVOUR THE ADVERSARIES - Hebrews 10:26-27

"To you that are afflicted rest with us, at THE REVELATION OF THE LORD JESUS FROM HEAVEN WITH THE ANGELS OF HIS POWER IN FLAMING FIRE,[8], RENDERING VENGEANCE TO THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND TO THEM THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS: [9], WHO SHALL SUFFER PUNISHMENT, EVEN ETERNAL DESTRUCTION FROM THE FACE OF THE LORD and from the glory of his might". - 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which ALL THAT ARE IN THE GRAVES SHALL HEAR HIS VOICE,[29], And shall come forth; THEY THAT HAVE DONE GOOD, TO THE RESURRECTION OF LIFE; and THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, TO THE RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION" -John 5:28-29

"HE THAT OVERCOMES SHALL INHERIT ALL THINGS; AND I WILL BE HIS GOD, AND HE SHALL BE MY SON. BUT THE FEARFUL, AND UNBELIEVING, AND THE ABOMINABLE, AND MURDERERS, AND FORNICATORS, AND SORCERERS, AND IDOLATERS, AND ALL LIARS, SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE: WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH." - Revelation 21:7-8

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More scripture on the fate of the unrepentant wicked provided here linked.

Hope this is helpful.