In the Greek, a present continuous verb is used. Good translations include:
ESV: No one born of God makes a practice of sinning
NASB: No one who is born of God practices sin
NIV: No one who is born of God will continue to sin
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Anyone want to discuss KJVO ?
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In the Greek, a present continuous verb is used. Good translations include:
ESV: No one born of God makes a practice of sinning
NASB: No one who is born of God practices sin
NIV: No one who is born of God will continue to sin
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Hold on there Sparky, let's back that bus up a bit.
Did you hear what you just said, that is the stupidest statement I think I have ever heard someone make.
No one that I have heard in this thread has made such an unfounded claim, they have not even come anywhere close to saying what you believe they believe
You make a statement and then point it at everyone who professes KJVO as though it is a shotgun and blam, everyone who believes KJVO are Satanic.
We are talking about the Word of God (The Bible) here aren't we, your going a little bit overboard aren't you?
I would never ever accuse a brother in Christ as being Satanic let alone one who read any other Translation!
When you make statements like that one, your not painting your brothers in Christ with a broad brush, but a spray gun.
I find it hard to believe the anger which boils to the surface over this subject.
You guys need to get a grip.
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It's certainly a frequently repeated statement here on CF and on the Internet more broadly.
No, that's exactly backwards, it's the KJVO crowd that are throwing around the accusations of "being Satanic."
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For clarity, would you please post the verse from each Translation, for comparison?
The ESV says Practice of sinning.
The NASB says Practices sin.
The NIV says will Continue to sin.
The question still remains, is the one born of God according to your Translations.
Is the person born of God.
1) Still sinning?
2) Not practicing sin, but still sinning?
3) Not sinning at all, ever?
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I'm sure you wouldn't.
But there ARE KJVO folk who, while maybe not using the word 'Satanic', say that all newer versions of the Bible are corrupt. That word has been used on these very forums. The statement, "I have the perfect word of God; you don't", has been said on these forums.
Who would want to corrupt God's word; where would such a desire come from? And what does it say about Christians who use "imperfect" and "corrupt" Bibles?
That's what KJVO means. Not that someone ONLY uses the KJV, which is fine as far as I am concerned, but that they claim that ONLY the KJV is the word of God; no other Bibles are, all Christians who use other bibles are wrong or using "watered down" versions of God's word.
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Unlike KJVOs, I'm presenting FACTS, not guesswork. I posted the origin of the modern KJVO myth a few posts back, & I've never seen any valid arguments against that origin anywhere. it's the product of a rumor mill, same as many other false religious doctrines are.
There's much in the KJV that's NOT God's very words, but are those of the translators. I gave two quick examples in Acts 12:4 & 1 Tim. 6:10.
The KJVOs' arguments have no Scriptural support at all, a fact which automatically makes them false. What's weak here is the KJVOs' defense of their myth.
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However, that's the wrong point. What i question is the MAN-MADE KJVO MYTH, not God's words, which are not in that myth.
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NIV 1 John 3:9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
Nobody who is still in the human condition has or can attain sinless perfection.
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Nothing, never mind.
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I believe what the verse says as correctly translated which the KJV is not.. Did you not read 1 John 3:9 that I posted?
EOB 1 John 3:9 Those who have been born of God do not keep on sinning because God’s seed abides in them. They cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
Cleenewerck, L. (Ed.). (2011). The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament (1 Jn 3:8–9). Laurent A. Cleenewerck.
…..Greek is now, and has always been, the language of the Eastern Greek Orthodox church. Who, better than the native Greek speaking scholars who translated the “literal” Greek Eastern Orthodox Bible [EOB], know the correct meaning of Greek words?Cleenewerck, L. (Ed.). (2011). The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible: New Testament (1 Jn 3:8–9). Laurent A. Cleenewerck.
https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/books/or...tament-(The-Eastern-Greek-Orthodox-Bible).pdf
The Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible EOB—New Testament 96 can be D/L at the link above. If anyone has doubts/questions about the EOB version I suggest they read the 200 page preface which documents the extensive Greek scholarship supporting this translation.
The human condition. Please do not insult my intelligence by trying to claim that Paul was really talking about before he was saved. This entire passage is written in the present, not past, tense. Paul knew the difference.
Romans 7:14-25
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
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If I was attempting to insult your intelligence I would never use what you have proposed I am doing.
When it comes to this point as described above, where you begin to put not only words but motives as well in my mind and thoughts the conversation for all intents and purposes is over.
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No, your tactics are those of a time vacuum, there isn't any discussion with you, you have an opinion and you do not accept any one who disagrees with your personal viewpoint, therefore any further discussion a waist of time.
I am expecting this thread to die when I stop responding to you, which is now.
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Have you proven me wrong ? Nupe. Have I proven you wrong ? Yes, quite-easily.
And no, I won't accept anyone's opinion which is wrong. And the KJVO myth is definitely wrong, as was easily proven.
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Side by side comparisons, will give you enough fuel for thought.
The deletions from modern texts are biased toward Christ being fully God.
It takes a lot of time to put this together and I don't have it.
I will post a link give it a look with a open mind.
I'm not SDA,but Walter Vieth is a great teacher.
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