Something doesn't feel right about BLM

Ana the Ist · Jun 30, 2020

Belk said:
Statistics and the continued cases of unarmed people dying for no good reason.

Again....any mistakes isn't proof that there's no accountability.

The guy was charged with murder.

Well thank goodness all those Switzerland criminals are so law abiding.

They had a mass shooting this century....but it's pretty rare because anyone carrying a gun in public is almost certainly committing a crime.

Not much.

Lol no kidding....well let's start with you can't carry a gun in public. If you're on your way hunting or shooting at a range....your gun has to be locked up in your vehicle.

There's no walking around in public with a gun.

Yes, that is the idea. Reduce the instances where criminals attack police so they do not fear for their lives constantly. Isn't that the goal? To make both sides safer?

How?

Your perception may be colored.

Read post 697...apparently someone else sees it too.

I do not agree with this.

What part? Do police deter crime or not?

istodolez · Jun 30, 2020

Ana the Ist said:
Hey, thanks for proving the point I was making lol.

...and your point meant what exactly?

rturner76 · Jun 30, 2020

TexFire316 said:
Check the agenda of each side and follow the money. Who benefits the most by plunging this country into chaos and discord and halt the economy of this country?
What if are all being played as pawns on a master chess board? Who benefits if this country collapses by civil war or crashed economy?

BANKERS! They love giving massive loans for military spending. They also love to "rebuild" neighborhoods after they shut down the economy of an area. Banks touch every dollar we get before and after we get it. They got us paying off our houses 5x before we refinance and dig in deeper.

Belk · Jun 30, 2020

Ana the Ist said:
Again....any mistakes isn't proof that there's no accountability.

The guy was charged with murder.

Who said "No accountability"? You keep changing the arguments of the other side into your own straw men it seems. Perhaps you should engage their actual complaints and not the ones you make up?

Ana the Ist said:
They had a mass shooting this century....but it's pretty rare because anyone carrying a gun in public is almost certainly committing a crime.

That's nice. So is it your claim that the US model is unique and therefore we can take no good ideas from other countries?

Ana the Ist said:
Lol no kidding....well let's start with you can't carry a gun in public. If you're on your way hunting or shooting at a range....your gun has to be locked up in your vehicle.

There's no walking around in public with a gun.

OK, that's nice.

Ana the Ist said:
How?

By reducing escalation. Why should a traffic stop be a life or death situation? Why not just make it a ticket with no possibility of arrest? If someone has a warrant do we really need to attempt to arrest him on the spot and escalate the situation so he feels trapped and his fight or flight response kicks in?

Ana the Ist said:
Read post 697...apparently someone else sees it too.

Multiple people have been abducted by aliens as well.

Ana the Ist said:
What part? Do police deter crime or not?

I was simply pointing out that a lack of police is not a CAUSE of people committing crimes. I see no reason to go further down this rabbit hole.

Ana the Ist · Jun 30, 2020

Belk said:
Who said "No accountability"? You keep changing the arguments of the other side into your own straw men it seems. Perhaps you should engage their actual complaints and not the ones you make up?

You're presuming they have a coherent complaint.

That's nice. So is it your claim that the US model is unique and therefore we can take no good ideas from other countries?

Not in regards to policing.

OK, that's nice.

I'm sure it is.

By reducing escalation. Why should a traffic stop be a life or death situation?

Because for cops....they are.

You know how many videos like this exist? Including those you'll never see? How much time did that cop have to react? 1 second? 2?

Let's start off with the fact that you even asking this question means you're totally clueless.

TexFire316 · Jul 1, 2020

jgarden said:
There is no evidence that the protesters were paid - that would have required a nationwide conspiracy that would have been impossible to remain secret!

The protests were spontaneous and based on the deaths of unarmed young "black" males videoed by 3rd parties while under police supervision - if those incidents were staged it would have required the co-operation of the police which would have been against their own self-interests!

Yes, it would have required a nationwide conspiracy. So, the question is, do you want a red pill, or do you perfer a red capsule?

TexFire316 · Jul 1, 2020

Our only hope of keeping this land intact is to stay united and figure out who the true enemies of this land are. And ask our Maker for descernment.

Nithavela · Jul 1, 2020

Sabertooth said:
"But he hasn't got anything on," a little child said.

"Did you ever hear such innocent prattle?" said its father. And one person whispered to another what the child had said, "He hasn't anything on. A child says he hasn't anything on."

"But he hasn't got anything on!" the whole town cried out at last.

The Emperor shivered, for he suspected they were right. But he thought, "This procession has got to go on." So he walked more proudly than ever, as his noblemen held high the train that wasn't there at all.

Closing lines of
The Emperor's New Clothes
by Hans Christian Andersen

Completely unrealistic. Those parents would quickly shush their child and anyone crying out that the emperor was naked would end up in the stockades at best.

Nithavela · Jul 1, 2020

TexFire316 said:
Yes, it would have required a nationwide conspiracy. So, the question is, do you want a red pill, or do you perfer a red capsule?

Just because something appears to be impossible doesn't mean that it's true.

rturner76 · Jul 1, 2020

Chesterton said:
hey say they were Marxist from the beginning. I'm just taking their word for it.

This is the mistake people are making about "BLM." There is no central controlling body of this movement.

Still, there seems to be one side that says black lives matter and one side that says they don't

Belk · Jul 1, 2020

Ana the Ist said:
You're presuming they have a coherent complaint.

<Looks at all the people killed needlessly>

Yup, sure am.

Ana the Ist said:
Not in regards to policing.

Horse feathers. We are not so unique that no other country has good ideas we can use.

Ana the Ist said:
I'm sure it is.

Because for cops....they are.

You know how many videos like this exist? Including those you'll never see? How much time did that cop have to react? 1 second? 2?

And why did he feel the need to shoot? If we got rid of that cause we would remove the impetus to shoot, yes?

Ana the Ist said:
Let's start off with the fact that you even asking this question means you're totally clueless.

Spare me the editorial comments.

Chesterton · Jul 1, 2020

Belk said:
I thought you posted one person claiming that? Not the everyone who founded BLM?

I posted one of the founders, who uses the plural "we" to refer to the other two founders. I don't know why you're insisting on implying she's lying. All this stuff about what they're about is on their websites, including the page you linked here, as well as Wiki. All this stuff is made public (I can only imagine what they talk about in private). And you're just deny, deny, deny. Why don't you want to let them be who they are?

Chesterton · Jul 1, 2020

istodolez said:
The founders (or at least one of them while on some unknown broadcast --the video seemed strangely decontextualized--) may have said "I'm a Marxist"...that doesn't necessarily mean the movement is ipso facto Marxist in nature. I'm an existential nihilist, but I can still put together the slides of for the program check point next week and deliver them to management.

IF BLM had clear indications that the organization itself was dedicated to "Marxism" then it might be of some concern, but even then: WHAT SPECIFIC ASPECT OF MARXIST PHILOSOPHY do you think they are espousing that you would find so horrific? I don't believe Marxism by definition means turning America into a Stalinist Gulag or whatever nebulous horror you are imagining.

So if I might ask a couple key questions:

1. What, specifically, does BLM stand for that you would find MOST objectionable (don't just say "Marxism" because that's a pretty expansive term)...tell me specifically what aspect

2. Can you find THAT SPECIFIC ASPECT in their mission statement?

Pro tip: Read threads in which you post. This has been asked and answered.

Chesterton · Jul 1, 2020

rturner76 said:
This is the mistake people are making about "BLM." There is no central controlling body of this movement.

Still, there seems to be one side that says black lives matter and one side that says they don't

So? There's no central controlling body of Marxism or communism or anarchy either.

Zanting · Jul 1, 2020

BLM stinks to high heaven and is failing because they are being exposed by the BLACK COMMUNITY itself among others as an anarchist, riotous, money collection agency for the democratic party that has nothing to do with BLACK LIVES at all.

Ana the Ist · Jul 1, 2020

Belk said:
<Looks at all the people killed needlessly>

Yup, sure am.

So is the complaint that people were killed?

Grow up.

Horse feathers. We are not so unique that no other country has good ideas we can use.

I've heard a lot of these ideas....I'm skeptical.

And why did he feel the need to shoot? If we got rid of that cause we would remove the impetus to shoot, yes?

Got rid of the cause? Are you saying we shouldn't pull lawbreakers over?

Spare me the editorial comments.

You asked me why traffic stops are life and death situations lol. If you don't understand that there's always going to be people who will fight and kill cops in attempt to avoid consequences...then you'll never understand the problem.

istodolez · Jul 1, 2020

Chesterton said:
Pro tip: Read threads in which you post. This has been asked and answered.

Good point. At any rate since BLM has not stated any explicitly Marxist component I don't really need to worry about what BLM is planning that is "Marxist" per se.

Since BLM qua BLM is not a Marxist organization the answer to what you specifically fear about their "Marxist" intent is meaningless anyway. But I'll definitely look for what it is you fear about them based on your imagination.

Thanks!

istodolez · Jul 1, 2020

Ana the Ist said:
So is the complaint that people were killed?

Grow up.

I'm curious why people being killed is not a coherent complaint and why one thus complaining should "grow up"? Is it that people should just accept getting killed or injured on the street by police for minor law infractions or, in some cases, NO infractions?

Is that what "growing up" means?

Belk · Jul 1, 2020

Ana the Ist said:
So is the complaint that people were killed?

Grow up.

Stop with the insults or the conversation is over.

Ana the Ist said:
I've heard a lot of these ideas....I'm skeptical.

Yes, you seem skeptical of any kind of change or anyone who says things could be better.

Ana the Ist said:
Got rid of the cause? Are you saying we shouldn't pull lawbreakers over?

No, I'm saying we should stop putting criminals who are pulled over into fight or flight mode making it unlikely they will be violent in the first place.

Ana the Ist said:
You asked me why traffic stops are life and death situations lol. If you don't understand that there's always going to be people who will fight and kill cops in attempt to avoid consequences...then you'll never understand the problem.

No, I asked WHY they had to be life or death situations. If you can't even get my question on this thread correct why should we listen to your interpretations of BLM?

Belk · Jul 1, 2020

Chesterton said:
I posted one of the founders, who uses the plural "we" to refer to the other two founders. I don't know why you're insisting on implying she's lying. All this stuff about what they're about is on their websites, including the page you linked here, as well as Wiki. All this stuff is made public (I can only imagine what they talk about in private). And you're just deny, deny, deny. Why don't you want to let them be who they are?

Because the only ones I see claiming they are Marxist are those who are ideologically opposed to them. It seems to simply be a smear campaign trying to discredit BLM.

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