I want to see timeline charts.....

Douggg said:

Why would you think Jesus as the prince (King) of the Romans ?

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That's backwards.

"The people (the soldiers) of the prince (ChristJesus)".....came to destroy. I believe the Roman soldiers were used by God to fulfill His will. IOW....."the agents of God".

Zech. 14:1-5
Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations as when He fights on a day of battle… And you shall flee to the valley of My mountains, for the valley of the mountains shall reach to Azal. And you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the Lord My God will come, and all the holy ones with Him

Douggg said:

mkgal1, the mount of Olives has not been split in half yet.

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That's apocalyptic language that runs all throughout the Old Testament.

Quoting from linked article:
"...so will the Lord of hosts come down to wage war on Mount Zion and on its hill'" (Isa. 31:4)

"For behold, the Lord is coming forth from His place. He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth. The mountains will melt under Him, and the valleys will be split, like wax before the fire, like water poured down a steep place." (Micah 1:3-4)

"He stood and surveyed the earth; He looked and startled the nations. Yes, the perpetual mountains were shattered, the ancient hills collapsed. His ways are everlasting." (Hab. 3:6)

These Scriptures, and their contexts, reveal that the prophetic image of God standing on a mountain, or on mountains, and causing it to split or shatter or melt under Him is a symbol of God waging war against His enemies and delivering His saints.
Note that in Zech. 14:4-5, a mountain became a valley of salvation; and what were once valleys became mountains. This is virtually the same metaphor that was used by Isaiah, Matthew and Luke:

"...Make ready the way of the Lord. Make His paths straight. Every valley shall be filled up, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall become straight, and the rough roads smooth; and all flesh shall see the salvation of God." (Isa. 40:3-4; Matt. 3:3; Lk. 3:4-5)

According to this prophecy, whatever stood in the Church's way was going to be removed. Instead of a rough and winding highway over a mountain range (the wearying burden of the corrupted Jewish leadership), the Church would be given a straight and smooth road (the easy yoke of Christ). The Way of escape and salvation would overcome all that opposed It.
So in Zech. 14:4-5, the obstacle that opposed the Church would be shattered and overcome by a great valley that would extend to the other side of the obstacle. This is why Zechariah mentioned "the Mount of Olives" by name. That mountain stood in front of the City of Jerusalem, in the path of any who would flee directly to the East away from the City. The Mount of Olives thus served as a physical symbol of a spiritual obstacle or barrier, because of its location in front of Jerusalem. "Zechariah 12-14, the Olivet Discourse, Armageddon, Healing of the Nations and the Three Fall Feasts Fulfilled by AD 70 | Facebook" Zechariah 12-14, the Olivet Discourse, Armageddon, Healing of the Nations and the Three Fall Feasts Fulfilled by AD 70 | Facebook

Douggg said:

But Jesus was not the prince (king) of the Roman Soldiers.

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Not ordinarily, that's true (Jesus wasn't their prince). But God used them to achieve His will.

mkgal1 said:

That's apocalyptic language that runs all throughout the Old Testament.

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Zechariah 14:3 is plainly worded language of an event that can and will happen when Jesus Returns.
The bad mistake of many is to think most prophecy is allegory, when all those about things that can happen will happen and those that are allegory can usually be explained to mean something literal. If this is not the case, then God is just confusing us.

Douggg said:

But God is not the prince who shall come. We have to nail down who that prince who shall come is in relation to Jerusalem Israel.

In Daniel 8:9 referring to the little horn....

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

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Only one individual in Daniel 9 is identified as a prince.

He is Messiah.

He was the prince who came, at His first coming.

Douggg said:

mkgal1, Jesus left this world from the Mt. of Olives, ascending out of sight as the disciples looked on into a cloud.

The two angels told them Jesus would return in like manner.

From that we can know the splitting of the Mt. of Olives with be literal and not metaphoric.

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No, we don't *know* that. That is one interpretation. We know He would return "in like manner" - but all we can do is interpret what was meant by that.

Did He split the Mt of Olives literally on His departure? How would it be "like manner" for that to occur literally upon His return, then?

Personally, I believe the connection is "coming with the cloud" which also is apocalyptic language from the Hebrew Scriptures that refers to His judgment against His enemies.

Douggg said:

But God is not the prince who shall come. We have to nail down who that prince who shall come is in relation to Jerusalem Israel.

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Christ Jesus, the Son of Man (i believe) was the Messiah prince who came in 26/27 AD to preach to the lost (fulfilling the Messianic prophecies...right on time).....and then returned in judgment (by using the soldiers as His agents of destruction of the city of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 AD). The word "coming" in the Hebrew Scriptures isn't a literal manifestation of God - it refers to His judgment.

John 5:25-27 ~ Truly, truly, I tell you, the hour is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted the Son to have life in Himself. And He has given Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man.

Luke 21:27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

Daniel 7:13-14 ~ "I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven One like a Son of Man was coming, and He came up to the Ancient of Days and was presented before Him. and to Him was given dominion, glory and a kingdom, that all the peoples, nations and men of every language might serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion which will not pass away; And His kingdom is one which will not be destroyed,"

THE WICKED TENANTS
July 4, 2017 By Alyssa Jones
The Wicked Tenants


A couple of days after Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem and the day after He cleansed the temple, Jesus returned to the temple complex and began teaching. The chief priests and elders questioned Jesus. “Who gave You this authority?” they asked. These religious leaders did not want to believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God. So Jesus told them parables to get them thinking and to teach them about Himself.
The parable of the wicked tenants illustrates the story of Israel’s history. As you teach kids, help them connect the story to what happened in Israel’s history. First, the landowner is God the Father. He chose to bless the world through Abraham’s family, the people of Israel. The vineyard is Israel.
The tenants are the leaders of Israel. Throughout history, God sent the Old Testament prophets to speak to God’s people. But they did not listen to the prophets. Like the tenants of the vineyard, Israel’s leaders persecuted the prophets. So God the Father sent His Son, Jesus. Jesus knew that the people were going to kill Him like the tenants killed the landowner’s son.
Jesus led the leaders to conclude themselves what would be fair: that the landowner would punish the tenants and find workers who respect Him. God too is just. He planned to choose a people who respect and trust Him—those who have faith—and form a community of believers from every nation to live under His righteous leadership.
"The Wicked Tenants - The Gospel Project" The Wicked Tenants - The Gospel Project
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I would just clarify and say the vineyard was the Kingdom of God that had originally been entrusted to the ancient Israelites to represent God to the nations. It was the representation of the Kingdom of God being taken away through the destruction of the city and the temple (and the entire religious system that was centered around it).

Douggg said:

In Daniel 8:9 referring to the little horn....

9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

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Why are you connecting this to the Messiah in Daniel 9?

Commentaries on Daniel 9:

Quote: the people of a prince that shall come] viz. against the land, the verb being used in the same hostile sense which it has in Daniel 1:1, Daniel 11:13; Daniel 11:16; Daniel 11:21; Daniel 11:40-41. The allusion is to the soldiery of Antiochus Epiphanes, who set Jerusalem on fire, and pulled down many of the houses and fortifications, so that the inhabitants took flight, and the city could be described as being ‘without inhabitant, like a wilderness’ (1Ma 1:31-32; 1Ma 1:38; 1Ma 3:45)—‘people’ being used as in 2 Samuel 10:13, Ezekiel 30:11, &c., of a body of troops. On the treatment which the Temple received at the same time, see above on Daniel 8:11.

Daniel 9:26 Commentaries: "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

Douggg said:

To very active posters at this forum,

What I want to see from you, is not just your verbiage of your eschatology view. I want to see a timeline chart of the elements of your eschatology position.

What you should do is make a timeline chart of all your iterations, fitting everything you have been writing about and claiming, and putting it into a non-fragmented form of a timeline chart. To show how any of it makes sense.

Start a timeline chart.... and work on it, until the contradictions are ironed out. it will probably be an ongoing work in progress.

Here is mine....which most of you have seen over and over. You make yours - prove your views, interpretations, and claims, fit together to form the big picture.



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I'm not very adept at using my Adobe Illustrator application, so I will present a vertical timeline of fulfillments to prophecies as I see them.

I see Daniel's seventieth week as being totally completed by the Messiah, Jesus, not by some antichrist figure. When you read the seventy weeks prophecy, it cites Messiah the Prince and does not change subject. Dan. 9:25 says, “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince…” Dan. 9:26 follows, “And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” The prince that shall come in Dan. 9:26 is still Jesus. His people, the Romans, destroyed the city and the sanctuary in AD 70. Yes, Jesus was Jewish and came for the lost sheep of Israel, but the people who would ultimately adopt his message were the Romans. Christianity was the Roman Empire’s official religion from AD 380 to 1806.

Covenant with Many
“I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;
 I will take hold of your hand. 
I will keep you and will make you
 to be a covenant for the people
 and a light for the Gentiles,
 to open eyes that are blind,
 to free captives from prison
 and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness.”—Isa. 42:6–7

Seventieth Week
“And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”—Dan. 9:27 (KJV)

“Confirm” in Hebrew is closely related to “prevail (Strong’s Concordance).” The covenant with many could only be “confirmed” or “prevail” if it had already been stated elsewhere. Turns out, it was stated in Isaiah 42:6–7. Jesus, “led like a lamb to the slaughter (Isa. 53:7),” caused the sacrifice and the oblation to cease by “becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross (Php. 2:8).”

Baptism of Jesus (AD 26) + 3 1/2 years (Dan. 9:27) = Crucifixion of Jesus (AD 30) + 3 1/2 years (Dan. 9:27) = Conversion of Paul (AD 33).

Conversion of Paul

“Then I asked, ‘Who are you, Lord?’
“‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,’ the Lord replied. ‘Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen and will see of me. I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’”
—Act. 26:15–18

“Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Cephas and stayed with him fifteen days.”—Gal. 1:18

“Then after fourteen years, I went up again to Jerusalem, this time with Barnabas. I took Titus along also.”—Gal. 2:1

Council of Jerusalem (AD 50) – 14 years (Gal. 2:1) – 3 years (Gal. 1:18) = Conversion of Paul (AD 33).

Council of Jerusalem - Wikipedia

The “prince that shall come (Dan. 9:26)” was Jesus.

Daniel’s Vision of the Four Beasts Interpreted (Dan. 7)
1st beast: Neo-Babylonian Empire (609–539 BC).
2nd beast: Medo-Persian Empire (539–332 BC)
3rd beast: Hellenistic Greek Empire (332–140 BC)
Semi-autocratic Hasmonean Kingdom (140–63 BC)
4th beast: Roman Empire (63 BC–AD 637)

4th Beast (Dan. 7)
1st horn: Pompey the Great (63–49 BC)
2nd horn: Julius Caesar (49–44 BC)
3rd horn: Augustus (44 BC–AD 14)
4th horn: Tiberius (AD 14–37)
5th horn: Caligula (AD 37–41)
6th horn: Claudius (AD 41–54)
7th horn: Nero (AD 54-68)
8th horn: Galba (AD 68–69)
9th horn: Otho (AD 69)
10th horn: Vitellius (AD 69)
Little horn: Vespasian (AD 69–79)

“As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.”—Dan. 7:24

While Vespasian besieged Jerusalem during the Jewish rebellion, emperor Nero committed suicide and plunged Rome into a year of civil war known as the Year of the Four Emperors. After Galba and Otho perished in quick succession, Vitellius became emperor in April 69. The Roman legions of Roman Egypt and Judaea reacted by declaring Vespasian, their commander, emperor on 1 July 69. In his bid for imperial power, Vespasian joined forces with Mucianus, the governor of Syria, and Primus, a general in Pannonia, leaving his son Titus to command the besieging forces at Jerusalem. Primus and Mucianus led the Flavian forces against Vitellius, while Vespasian took control of Egypt. On 20 December 69, Vitellius was defeated, and the following day Vespasian was declared emperor by the Senate.

Vespasian - Wikipedia

“He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.”—Dan. 7:25

Little information survives about the government during Vespasian’s ten-year rule. He reformed the financial system of Rome after the campaign against Judaea ended successfully, and initiated several ambitious construction projects, including the building of the Flavian Amphitheatre, better known today as the Roman Colosseum.

Vespasian - Wikipedia

The Julian calendar, proposed by Julius Caesar in 46 BC, was a reform of the Roman calendar. It took effect on 1 January 45 BC, by edict.

The Julian reform did not immediately cause the names of any months to be changed. The old intercalary month was abolished and replaced with a single intercalary day at the same point (i.e., five days before the end of February). January continued to be the first month of the year.

The Romans later renamed months after Julius Caesar and Augustus, renaming Quintilis as “Iulius" (July) in 44 BC and Sextilis as “Augustus” (August) in 8 BC. Quintilis was renamed to honor Caesar because it was the month of his birth. According to a senatus consultum quoted by Macrobius, Sextilis was renamed to honor Augustus because several of the most significant events in his rise to power, culminating in the fall of Alexandria, occurred in that month.

Other months were renamed by other emperors, but apparently none of the later changes survived their deaths. In AD 37, Caligula renamed September as “Germanicus” after his father; in AD 65, Nero renamed April as “Neroneus," May as “Claudius” and June as “Germanicus;" and in AD 84 Domitian renamed September as “Germanicus” and October as “Domitianus." Commodus was unique in renaming all twelve months after his own adopted names (January to December): “Amazonius," “Invictus,” “Felix,” “Pius,” “Lucius,” “Aelius,” “Aurelius,” “Commodus,” “Augustus,” “Herculeus," “Romanus,” and “Exsuperatorius.”

Julian calendar - Wikipedia

“… and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.”—Dan. 7:25

A time, times, and half a time = 1 year + 2 years + 1/2 year = 3 1/2 years.

Vespasian had received a special command in Judaea from Nero in 67, with the task of putting down the First Jewish–Roman War (AD 66–73).

Year of the Four Emperors - Wikipedia

The Siege of Jerusalem in the year AD 70 was the decisive event of the First Jewish–Roman War, in which the Roman army captured the city of Jerusalem and destroyed both the city and its Temple.

Siege of Jerusalem (70 CE) - Wikipedia

The saints of the Highest One were given into Vespasian’s hand for 3 1/2 years after the Siege of Jerusalem in AD 70.

During the spring of 71, Vespasian’s son, Titus, set sail for Rome. A new military governor was then appointed from Rome, Lucilius Bassus, whose assigned task was to undertake the “mopping-up” operations in Judaea. He used X Fretensis to besiege and capture the few remaining fortresses that still resisted. Bassus took Herodium, and then crossed the Jordan to capture the fortress of Machaerus on the shore of the Dead Sea and then continued into the Forest of Jardus on the northern shore of the Dead Sea to pursue some 3,000 Judaean rebels under the leadership of Judah ben Ari, whom he swiftly defeated. Because of illness, Bassus did not live to complete his mission. Lucius Flavius Silva replaced him, and moved against the last Judaean stronghold, Masada, in the autumn of 72. He used Legio X, auxiliary troops, and thousands of Jewish prisoners, for a total of 10,000 soldiers. After his orders for surrender were rejected, Silva established several base camps and circumvallated the fortress. According to Josephus, when the Romans finally broke through the walls of this citadel in 73, they discovered that 960 of the 967 defenders had committed suicide.

First Jewish–Roman War - Wikipedia

Siege of Jerusalem (AD 70) + 3 1/2 years (Dan. 7:25) = Siege of Masada (AD 73)

Order of Events in Revelation
1. Six seals (Rev. 6:1–17)
6. 144,000 sealed (Rev. 7:1–8)
8. Multitude from the tribulation (Rev. 7:9–17)
2. Seventh seal (silence in heaven) (Rev. 8:1–5)
9. Six trumpets (Rev. 8:6–9:21)
10. Two witnesses (2nd woe) (Rev. 11:1–14)/son of destruction (2 Th. 2:1–12)
11. Seventh trumpet (rapture, 3rd woe) (Rev. 11:15–19)

5. Revelation 12 sign (Rev. 12:1–17)
3. Beast from the sea (Rev. 13:1–10)
4. Beast from the earth (Rev. 13:11–18)
7. New song by 144,000 (Rev. 14:1–5)
11. The harvest of the earth (rapture) (Rev. 14:14–20)
12. Song of Moses by those who had been victorious over the beast (from the earth) and his image and the number of his name (Rev. 15:2–4)

13. Six bowls of wrath (Rev. 16:1–12)
14. Satan, beast (that comes up out of the abyss), and false prophet gather kings of the whole world together to Armageddon (Tel Megiddo) for the war of the great day of God (Rev. 16:13–16)
15. Seventh bowl of wrath (earthquake and hail in Rome) (Rev. 16:17–21)
16. Fall of Babylon the great (Rome) (Rev. 17:18; 18:1–24)
17. The coming of Christ (Rev. 19:11–19)
18. Beast (that comes up out of the abyss) and false prophet thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 19:20–21)
19. First resurrection (Rev. 20:5–6)
20. Satan bound (Rev. 20:1-3)/millennial reign (Rev. 20:4, 6)
21. Satan freed (Rev. 20:7)/Gog and Magog war (Eze. 38:; Rev. 20:8–9)
22. Satan thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:10)
23. Great white throne judgment (Rev. 20:11–12)
24. Death and Hades thrown into the lake of fire (Rev. 20:14)
25. Second death (lake of fire) (Rev. 20:14–15)
26. New heaven and earth (Rev. 21:1–8)/the new Jerusalem (Rev. 21:9–27)/the river and the tree of life (Rev. 22:1–5)

Douggg said:

To very active posters at this forum,

What I want to see from you, is not just your verbiage of your eschatology view. I want to see a timeline chart of the elements of your eschatology position.

What you should do is make a timeline chart of all your iterations, fitting everything you have been writing about and claiming, and putting it into a non-fragmented form of a timeline chart. To show how any of it makes sense.

Start a timeline chart.... and work on it, until the contradictions are ironed out. it will probably be an ongoing work in progress.

Here is mine....which most of you have seen over and over. You make yours - prove your views, interpretations, and claims, fit together to form the big picture.



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Six Seals (Rev. 6:1-17): AD 98–395

1st seal (conquest): “Trajan was Roman emperor from AD 98 to 117. Officially declared by the Senate optimus princeps (“best ruler”), Trajan is remembered as a successful soldier-emperor who presided over the greatest military expansion in Roman history, leading the empire to attain its maximum territorial extent by the time of his death.”

Trajan - Wikipedia

2nd seal (civil war): “Whenever the succession appeared uncertain, there was an incentive for any general with support of a sizable army to attempt to seize power, sparking civil war. The most recent example of this prior to the Crisis of the Third Century was the Year of the Five Emperors which resulted in the victory of Septimius Severus. After the overthrow of the Severan dynasty, for the rest of the 3rd Century, Rome was ruled by a series of generals, coming into power through frequent civil wars which devastated the empire.”

Crisis of the Third Century - Wikipedia

3rd seal (famine): “These plagues greatly hindered the Roman Empire’s ability to ward off barbarian invasions but also factored into problems such as famine, with many farms becoming abandoned and unproductive.”

Crisis of the Third Century - Wikipedia

4th seal (death): “The first and most immediately disastrous of the natural disasters that the Roman Empire faced during the Third Century was the plague. From AD 249 to 262, the Plague of Cyprian devastated the Roman Empire so much so that some cities, such as the city of Alexandria, experienced a 62% decline in population.

Crisis of the Third Century - Wikipedia

5th seal (persecution): “The Diocletianic Persecution was the last and most severe persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire. In 303, the Emperors Diocletian, Maximian, Galerius, and Constantius issued a series of edicts rescinding Christians’ legal rights and demanding that they comply with traditional religious practices. Later edicts targeted the clergy and demanded universal sacrifice, ordering all inhabitants to sacrifice to the gods. The persecution varied in intensity across the empire—weakest in Gaul and Britain, where only the first edict was applied, and strongest in the Eastern provinces. Persecutory laws were nullified by different emperors (Galerius with the Edict of Serdica in AD 311) at different times, but Constantine and Licinius’ Edict of Milan (AD 313) has traditionally marked the end of the persecution.”

Diocletianic Persecution - Wikipedia

6th seal (catastrophic events): The Galilee earthquake of 363 was a pair of severe earthquakes that shook the Galilee and nearby regions on May 18 and 19. The maximum perceived intensity for the events was estimated to be VII (Very strong) on the Medvedev–Sponheuer–Karnik scale. The earthquakes occurred on the portion of the Dead Sea Transform (DST) fault system between the Dead Sea and the Gulf of Aqaba.

Sepphoris, north-northwest of Nazareth, was severely damaged. Nabratein and the Nabratein synagogue (northeast of Safed) were destroyed. The earthquake may have been responsible for the failure of the plan to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem with the permission of the Emperor Julian.

363 Galilee earthquake - Wikipedia

The 365 Crete earthquake occurred at about sunrise on 21 July 365 in the Eastern Mediterranean with an assumed epicentre near Crete. Geologists today estimate the undersea earthquake to have been a magnitude 8.0 or higher. It caused widespread destruction in central and southern Greece, northern Libya, Egypt, Cyprus, Sicily, and Spain. On Crete, nearly all towns were destroyed.

365 Crete earthquake - Wikipedia

When four consecutive lunar eclipses are all total eclipses, the group is known as a tetrad. The following tetrads occur during this century:
1. Tetrad: AD 332–333
2. Tetrad: AD 350–351
3. Tetrad: AD 361–362
4. Tetrad: AD 390–391

Catalog of Lunar Eclipses: 0301 to 0400

Eclipses of the Sun can only occur when the Moon is near one of its two orbital nodes during the New Moon phase. It is then possible for the Moon's penumbral, umbral or antumbral shadows to sweep across Earth’s surface thereby producing an eclipse.
1. Total solar eclipse: AD 333
2. Total solar eclipse: AD 351
3. Total solar eclipse: AD 361
4. Total solar eclipse: AD 390

Catalog of Solar Eclipses: 0301 to 0400

The Edict of Thessalonica, issued on 27 February AD 380 by three reigning Roman Emperors, made Nicene Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire. Thus it was fulfilled which said, “But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.”

In AD 395, the Roman Empire divided into the east and the west. The Revelation 8:1 silence in heaven for about half an hour lasted until 1806 when the Holy Roman Empire dissolved.

Dissolution of the Holy Roman Empire - Wikipedia

Beast (Kingdom) (Dan. 7:23) from the Sea (Rev. 13:1–10): 1806–1946

Seven Heads (Kings) (Rev. 13:1–10; 17:10)
1. Victor Emmanuel I (1802–1821)
2. Charles Felix (1821–1831)
3. Charles Albert (1831–1849)
4. Victor Emmanuel II (1849–1878)
5. Umberto I (1878–1900)
6. Victor Emmanuel III (1900–1946)*
7. Umberto II (1946)**

* “ITALIAN KING WOUNDED BERLIN. Dec. 28. (Via Sayville by wireless.) King Victor Emmanuel of Italy has been wounded by an Austrian grenade and is now in the hospital, it is stated by the Overseas News agency. The agency attributes its information to a traveler who has just arrived from Italy. Terroristic and anti-government demonstrations are extending to an alarming extent in Italy, according to this traveller.”

Source: South Bend News-Times, Volume 32, Number 362, South Bend, St. Joseph County, 28 December 1915

** Reigned 34 days (“a little while”)—Rev. 17:10.

Ten Horns (Kings) (Rev. 13:1–10; 17:12)
1. Frederick William III (1797–1840)
2. Frederick William IV (1840–1861)
3. William I (1861–1888)
4. Frederick III (1888)
5. Wilhelm II (1888–1918)
6. Friedrich Ebert (1918–1925)
7. Hans Luther (1925)
8. Walter Simons (1925)
9. Paul von Hindenburg (1925–1934)
10. Adolf Hitler (1934–1945)***

*** Whose holocaust last 42 months (3 1/2 years), from 29 November 1941 to 12 May 1945—Rev. 13:5.

Wannsee Conference - Wikipedia
The Holocaust - Wikipedia

Beast from the Sea Checklist:
Seven heads (Rev. 13:1): ✓
Ten horns (Rev. 13:1): ✓
One of his heads (kings) as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed (Rev. 13:3) ✓
The whole earth amazed and followed after the beast (Rev. 13:3) ✓
They worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him (Rev. 13:4)?” ✓
Given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months (Rev. 13:5). ✓
Given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him (Rev. 13:7). ✓
“If anyone leads into captivity, into captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed (Rev. 13:10).” ✓

Beast (Kingdom) (Dan. 7:23) from the Earth (Rev. 13:11–18): 1946–present

Two Horns (Kings) like a Lamb:
1. Tim Berners-Lee (1989–present)
2. David Ben Berners-Lee? Mark Zuckerberg?

Tim Berners-Lee - Wikipedia
Mark Zuckerberg - Wikipedia

This beast (kingdom) began in 1946, where the one from the sea left off.

1946: Mobile Telephone Service (St. Louis, MO)
1948: Manchester Baby (Manchester, ENG)
1949: Manchester Mark 1 (Manchester, ENG)
1951: Ferranti Mark 1 (developed by a team including Tim Berners-Lee’s father, Conway)
1958: Visa
1969: ARPANET
1974: Internet
1975: Microsoft
1976: Apple
1979: MasterCard
1981: IBM Personal Computer
1984: Apple Macintosh
1989: World Wide Web (WWW)
1991: SIM card
1994: Amazon
1995: eBay
1996: Nokia 9000 Communicator
1997: Mobile commerce
1998: Google
1998: PayPal
1999: BlackBerry
1999: Napster
2001: Apple iPod
2003: MySpace
2004: Facebook
2006: Twitter
2006: Apple MacBook
2007: Apple iPhone
2009: Bitcoin
2009: Samsung Galaxy
2010: Apple iPad
2011: Apple Siri
2014: Amazon Alexa
2016: Google Assistant
2020: Libra

British physicist Tim Berners-Lee invented the web at CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research) in 1989. The project, which Berners-Lee named “World Wide Web,” was originally conceived and developed to meet the demand for information sharing between physicists in universities and institutes around the world. Tim Berners-Lee came like a lamb—innocent and useful—but the beast (the Digital Age) speaks like a dragon—deceitful and greedy.

On 30 April 1993 CERN put the World Wide Web software in the public domain. CERN made the next release available with an open license, as a more sure way to maximize its dissemination. Through these actions, making the software required to run a web server freely available, along with a basic browser and a library of code, the web was allowed to flourish.

Twenty years of a free, open web

Tim Berners-Lee was raised as an Anglican, but he turned away from religion in his youth. After he became a parent, he became a Unitarian Universalist (UU). When asked whether he believes in God, he stated: “Not in the sense of most people, I’m atheist and Unitarian Universalist.”

His only son, David “Ben” Berners-Lee, born in 1994, has a Ph.D. in Communication from the University of California, San Diego.

“And he (the beast from the earth) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six”—Rev. 13:16–18 (KJV).
The 6th letter of the Hebrew alphabet is “waw.” It has the numerical value of 6, like the Roman letter V is the number 5. So WWW is literally 666.

We’re going from English to Hebrew here, not Hebrew to English. In English, six hundred threescore and six is written 666, which, digit by digit, equals WWW. In Hebrew, six hundred threescore and six equals 600+60+6=םסו. But we’re not translating from Hebrew to English; we’re translating from English to Hebrew.

“Mark of the beast:” the English word “mark” was originally translated from the Greek “charagma,” which means “thing carved, sculpture, graven work.”

G5480 - charagma - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)

Manufacturing process of iPhones in Apple Factory, California, USA

So the beast (kingdom; Digital Age) from the earth is causing all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads. Eighty percent of Americans now own a smartphone. Likewise, 46% of the world owns a smartphone. Mobile payment users unlock their mobile wallets with facial recognition software.

Demographics of Mobile Device Ownership and Adoption in the United States

Smartphone users worldwide 2020 | Statista

Assuming 7.5 billion people in the world, 0.0000013% of people have implanted RFID chips. Also, if RFID chips are the mark of the beast, how are you going to tell them how much money to transact? What about direction of sales? People will need a device with a graphic user interface to specify these things, and we’re already doing them with smartphones. What do RFID implants have to do with the number 666?

What percentage of people have an RFID chip implanted in them at this moment? - Quora

“And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.”

The mark = a smartphone. The name of the beast = the Digital Age. The number of the beast’s name = 666 = WWW = the World Wide Web.

Libra is a permissioned blockchain digital currency proposed by the American social media company Facebook, Inc. The currency and network do not yet exist, and only rudimentary experimental code has been released. The launch is planned to be in 2020.

Libra (digital currency) - Wikipedia

Douggg said:

To very active posters at this forum,

What I want to see from you, is not just your verbiage of your eschatology view. I want to see a timeline chart of the elements of your eschatology position.

What you should do is make a timeline chart of all your iterations, fitting everything you have been writing about and claiming, and putting it into a non-fragmented form of a timeline chart. To show how any of it makes sense.

Start a timeline chart.... and work on it, until the contradictions are ironed out. it will probably be an ongoing work in progress.

Here is mine....which most of you have seen over and over. You make yours - prove your views, interpretations, and claims, fit together to form the big picture.



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Revelation 12 Sign (Rev. 12:1–17)

On 23 September 2017 the sun was in the zodiac constellation Virgo—“a woman clothed with the sun.” The moon was at the feet of Virgo—“with the moon under her feet.” The nine stars of the zodiac constellation Leo, plus three planets (Mercury, Venus, and Mars), were at the head of Virgo—“on her head a crown of 12 stars.” The planet Jupiter was in the center of Virgo, and, as the weeks pass after 23 September, Jupiter exited Virgo to the east, past her feet, so to speak—“She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.” Jupiter is the largest of the planets, the “king” of the planets, so to speak—“She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.”


Biblical signs in the sky on September 23, 2017? | EarthSky.org

Revelation 12 sign prophecy - Wikipedia

The woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared for her for a time, times, and half a time (3 1/2 years). 1,260 days after 23 September 2017 is 6 March 2021—a fulfillment in the making.

The Antichrist

2 Th. 2:1–12 Man of lawlessness/son of destruction

Rev. 9:11 Angel of the abyss/Apollyon (Destroyer)

Rev. 11:7 Beast that comes up out of the abyss

Rev. 13:14 Beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life

Rev. 17:8–11 Beast that was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction/eighth king



“The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction”—Rev. 17:11

Recall, the seven were:

Seven Heads (Kings) (Rev. 13:1–10; 17:10)
1. Victor Emmanuel I (1802–1821)
2. Charles Felix (1821–1831)
3. Charles Albert (1831–1849)
4. Victor Emmanuel II (1849–1878)
5. Umberto I (1878–1900)
6. Victor Emmanuel III (1900–1946)
7. Umberto II (1946)

The eighth king could be Prince Aimone, Duke of Apulia (born 13 October 1967), or one of his descendants. Prince Aimone is the second child and first son of Prince Amedeo, 5th Duke of Aosta, one of the two claimants to the former throne of Italy. In 2006, his father declared himself Duke of Savoy and head of the House of Savoy; since then Prince Aimone has styled himself Duke of Aosta. However, because the headship of the royal house is disputed between his father and Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples, he is still referred to as Duke of Apulia.

Prince Aimone and Princess Olga have three children, two sons and one daughter:

* Prince Umberto of Savoy-Aosta, born on 7 March 2009 in Neuilly-sur-Seine, France. On 9 March 2009, Prince Umberto was granted the title Prince of Piedmont by his paternal grandfather.


*Prince Amedeo Michele of Savoy-Aosta, born on 24 May 2011 in Neuilly-sur-Seine, France. A day after his birth Amedeo was granted the title Duke of the Abruzzi by his paternal grandfather.

*Princess Isabella Vita Marina of Savoy-Aosta, named in honor of Princess Isabelle of Orléans, born on 14 December 2012 in Paris, France.

On 7 July 2006 Aimone’s father, Prince Amedeo, assumed the headship of the House of Savoy and the title Duke of Savoy, claiming that his cousin Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples, had lost his dynastic rights when he married without the legally required permission of King Umberto II in 1971. Since then Aimone has used the title Duke of Aosta.

Whoever the antichrist ends up being, the way we will know is whenever he “opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God,” whenever he kills the two witnesses, and whenever big tech makes an image (statue, wax figure, AI robot, etc.) to him. That’s the only way we’ll really know.

I believe the abomination of desolation was the construction of the Dome of the Rock.

Dome of the Rock (AD 688) + 1,260 years (Dan. 12:7) = Israeli Declaration of Independence (AD 1948)

Dome of the Rock - Wikipedia
Israeli Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia

The Battle of the Granicus in May 334 BC was the first of three major battles fought between Alexander the Great and the Persian Empire. Daniel 8 is all about the clashing of the Greek and the Medo-Persian Empires.

Battle of the Granicus (–334 BC) + 2,300 years (Dan. 8:14) = Six-Day War (AD 1967)



Battle of the Granicus - Wikipedia
Six-Day War - Wikipedia


Dome of the Rock (AD 688) + 1,290 years (Dan. 12:11) = Camp David Accords (AD 1978)



Camp David Accords - Wikipedia


Dome of the Rock (AD 688) + 1,335 years (Dan. 12:12) = ??? (AD 2023)

Here are a few more articles about digital currencies:



Happy 30th Birthday, World Wide Web! Where Does the Digital Messiah Go From Here?

Apple, Amazon, Facebook, Alphabet, and Microsoft Are Collectively Worth More Than the Entire Economy of the United Kingdom

How the World Wide Web was nearly called The Information Mesh

United Nations pledges to get everyone online… by 2030

Free broadband: internet access is now a human right, no matter who pays the bills

https://news.un.org/en/story/2019/11/1052241

Head of Libra Association: Libra project may be useful for UN - The Cryptocurrency Post

Alan Greenspan says there's 'no point' for central banks to issue digital currency

Fed's Harker: Digital central bank currency 'inevitable'

Israel passes law to limit cash deals to fight economic crimes

Congress Flirts With Digital Dollar; Crypto’s Hiring Boom

Geneva's Reyl set to launch first digital private Swiss bank

Why Is Germany Eliminating Paper Money?

Russia in digital payments push as it limits banknote circulation

South African Central Bank to Reportedly Introduce New Crypto Regulations

China’s Digital Currency To Be Given A Test Drive By U.S. Companies

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-economy-digital-idUSKBN2040IN

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...igital-currencies-into-top-gear-idUSKBN23I2HO

Minky said:

s and go to destruction/eighth king



Seven Heads (Kings) (Rev. 13:1–10; 17:10)
1. Victor Emmanuel I (1802–1821)
2. Charles Felix (1821–1831)
3. Charles Albert (1831–1849)
4. Victor Emmanuel II (1849–1878)
5. Umberto I (1878–1900)
6. Victor Emmanuel III (1900–1946)
7. Umberto II (1946)

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That is ridiculous:

Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, during Satan's
"Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by
the "harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or
"Mountains".


These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of
Daniel's four Kingdoms. They include one head/king
from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion), another
head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four heads/kings from Daniel's (3rd) Christian
Kingdom (Leopard) and the last head/king is from Daniel's
(4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ
("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"), for a total of seven
"Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John
saw the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood
Kingdom and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom
were both "fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) of the
heads/kings from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also
"fallen"... for a total of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last
remaining head/king of the New Testament Kingdom had not
yet "fallen" because the last head/king in the (3rd) Christian
Kingdom was also the author of the Book of Revelation, the
Apostle John.


Now you have the BIBLICAL TEACHING of the Seven Heads.
Revelation 17 is essentially a New Testament commentary on
Daniel's four Kingdoms/Beasts. Your "interpretation" is proven
wrong because (1) I have shown you the TRUTH above and
(2) the Bible PROMISED the truth of Daniel's prophecies would
remain "closed-up" and "sealed" to all previous Saints until the
Last Saints [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and YOUR interpretation
has been around for about 1500 years... so it could not
possibly be true - since it was developed while the TRUTH
remained "closed-up" and "sealed".

Now, please RESPOND to this post and do not run away and
hide (as so many on this forum do when corrected from the
Bible). Thank you.


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