Anyone wanna discuss Preterism, both full & partial ?

robycop3 · Jun 30, 2020

Preterism is a doctrine saying that all Biblical prophecy has already been fulfilled. It has a branch called partial preterism that says all prophecy has been fulfilled except Jesus' return.

Both preterisms are false. A simple check of history shows the eschatological prophecies have not yet been fulfilled. As for partial preterism, it's proven false bt Jesus Himself when He said He'd return immediately after the great trib. So, if the great trib has already occurred, He is long-overdue !

It's very-obvious Jesus has not yet returned, as the world goes on same as it did in 65 AD, 70 AD, & 75 AD. When Jesus returns, He will rule the world from Jerusalem.

Preterism was started by some jeezits who wanted to protect their pope from being labeled as the antichrist.

Anyone care to discuss preterism ?

-57 · Jun 30, 2020

I agree with you as there is much that hasn't happened yet.

Lost4words · Jun 30, 2020

I guess its all down to interpretation and understanding. Everyone sees things differently.

thecolorsblend · Jun 30, 2020

robycop3 said:
Preterism is a doctrine saying that all Biblical prophecy has already been fulfilled. It has a branch called partial preterism that says all prophecy has been fulfilled except Jesus' return.

Both preterisms are false. A simple check of history shows the eschatological prophecies have not yet been fulfilled. As for partial preterism, it's proven false bt Jesus Himself when He said He'd return immediately after the great trib. So, if the great trib has already occurred, He is long-overdue !

It's very-obvious Jesus has not yet returned, as the world goes on same as it did in 65 AD, 70 AD, & 75 AD. When Jesus returns, He will rule the world from Jerusalem.

Full Preterism is, as far as I know, heresy.

robycop3 said:
Preterism was started by some jeezits who wanted to protect their pope from being labeled as the antichrist.

Um, partial-Preterism was orthodox belief in the Christian world centuries before Protestantism was invented.

robycop3 said:
Anyone care to discuss preterism ?

Considering your absolute lack of understanding of what Preterism is, I think it would be best if you consult an actual resource on the subject: Tektonics.org Bible apologetics and education

One common misconception people have about Preterism is that there's no possibility of a dual fulfillment in the future. That's simply not true. What Preterism teaches is that the prophecies in Sacred Scripture have largely been fulfilled, save for Our Lord's return. That doesn't rule out the possibility of things repeating themselves in the future. However, Preterists believe there is no need for anything more to happen in the future apart from Our Lord's return.

1213 · Jun 30, 2020

robycop3 said:
...It's very-obvious Jesus has not yet returned, ...

He returned after 3 days from the grave.

robycop3 · Jun 30, 2020

thecolorsblend said:
Full Preterism is, as far as I know, heresy.

Um, partial-Preterism was orthodox belief in the Christian world centuries before Protestantism was invented.

Considering your absolute lack of understanding of what Preterism is, I think it would be best if you consult an actual resource on the subject: Tektonics.org Bible apologetics and education

One common misconception people have about Preterism is that there's no possibility of a dual fulfillment in the future. That's simply not true. What Preterism teaches is that the prophecies in Sacred Scripture have largely been fulfilled, save for Our Lord's return. That doesn't rule out the possibility of things repeating themselves in the future. However, Preterists believe there is no need for anything more to happen in the future apart from Our Lord's return.

I believe I know what preterism is, at least as well as you do, & likely, better.

Very few people believed that junk til Luis De Alcazar, a jeezit, published a book expounding it in 1614. Some other wannabee authors, seeing a cash cow, took up that hooey, til we have what we have today- a false doctrine glorified by some.

The prophesied events simply haven't yet happened. No preterist can get by that big ole bear of a fact.

However, many prets try to justify their doctrine by relegating "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status. That's simply adding to the problem.

if one carefully puts together the prophecies from Deuteronomy, Ezekiel, Daniel, some of the words of Jesus & Paul, & the Revelation, one can see there's quite a bit of prophecy yet to be fulfilled. Preterism is heresy, as it denies some of Jesus' very words that He had recorded for our reading.

robycop3 · Jun 30, 2020

1213 said:
He returned after 3 days from the grave.

That is NOT the 2nd coming He prophesied-that was the resurrection as part of His first coming he was in the same body He died in, as was proven by the nail & spear wounds.

thecolorsblend · Jun 30, 2020

robycop3 said:
However, many prets try to justify their doctrine by relegating "inconvenient" Scriptures to "figurative/symbolic" status.

You had me until right here, bro.

FenderTL5 · Jun 30, 2020

robycop3 said:
..started by some jeezits..

??

robycop3 · Jul 1, 2020

There's another old false doctrine saying the line of popes is the antichrist. Scripture, however, points to ONE MAN in a particular time frame.

robycop3 · Jul 11, 2020

I hope the lack of discussion is because preterists are realizing they were deceived & were believing a false doctrine.

Lost4words · Jul 11, 2020

Not sure if anyone on these forums is a full preterist. I believe in partial preterism myself

robycop3 · Jul 11, 2020

Lost4words said:
Not sure if anyone on these forums is a full preterist. I believe in partial preterism myself

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT...
Jesus Himself disproved partial preterism when He said He'd return immediately after the great trib. As I understand it, partial prets believe all prophecy has been fulfilled except Jesus' return, which means they believe the great trib has already occurred. If it has, then Jesus is long-overdue !

Actually, NONE of the eschatological prophecies have yet been fulfilled, as is wasily proven by any high-school world history book, where the occurrence of any of those events is entirely-absent.

Lost4words · Jul 11, 2020

robycop3 said:
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT...
Jesus Himself disproved partial preterism when He said He'd return immediately after the great trib. As I understand it, partial prets believe all prophecy has been fulfilled except Jesus' return, which means they believe the great trib has already occurred. If it has, then Jesus is long-overdue !

Actually, NONE of the eschatological prophecies have yet been fulfilled, as is wasily proven by any high-school world history book, where the occurrence of any of those events is entirely-absent.

Your opinion my friend.

robycop3 · Jul 11, 2020

Lost4words said:
Your opinion my friend.

Not opinion at all, Sir, but TRUTH:

Matt. 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Some of the events of the great trib are described in Revelation. And I have Encyclopaedia Britannics, Collier's Encyclopedia, & World Book Encyclopedia in fronta me, plus the internet, and there's no occurrence of any of those events found in any of them.

When did all life in the sea die, & all the water turned into blood?

When did a hail of rocks fall worldwide?

When was Jerusalem divided into 3 parts by an earthquake ?

Those are just for starters.

Again, history and reality disproves both "schools" of preterism. You, Sir, should trust Scripture and reality, not what some charlatans such as Preston, Gentry, etc. teach in order to sell boox & make $$ at the expense of the truth.

Lost4words · Jul 11, 2020

Interpretation.

God bless you my friend.

robycop3 · Jul 12, 2020

Lost4words said:
Interpretation.

God bless you my friend.

CORRECT interpretation.

Can you show us an irrefutable historical account of the occurrence of those events, not just someone's gossip or tall tale ?

May God bless you,too, Sir, & lead you away from the preterist false doctrine.

robycop3 · Jul 17, 2020

Preterists, having no historical proof for their assertions, try to re-interpret Scripture to try to shoehorn their doctrines into history. Well, that doesn't work, either !

Most Scripture is LITERAL, & when it's symbolic, its symbolism always represents something or someone literal.

ViaCrucis · Jul 17, 2020

robycop3 said:
Preterism is a doctrine saying that all Biblical prophecy has already been fulfilled. It has a branch called partial preterism that says all prophecy has been fulfilled except Jesus' return.

Both preterisms are false. A simple check of history shows the eschatological prophecies have not yet been fulfilled. As for partial preterism, it's proven false bt Jesus Himself when He said He'd return immediately after the great trib. So, if the great trib has already occurred, He is long-overdue !

It's very-obvious Jesus has not yet returned, as the world goes on same as it did in 65 AD, 70 AD, & 75 AD. When Jesus returns, He will rule the world from Jerusalem.

Preterism was started by some jeezits who wanted to protect their pope from being labeled as the antichrist.

Anyone care to discuss preterism ?

I don't believe that Jesus is talking about His Parousia until verse 36, while talking about the "tribulation of those days", the sun turning dark, the moon to blood, and the sign of the Son of Man, He's still talking about the destruction of the Temple. Jesus is using big, loud apocalyptic language to talk about that event.

He shifts His attention from "those days" referring to the coming destruction of the Temple and the conflict over Jerusalem during the Jewish-Roman War to "that day" which is the day of His return. That's verse 36 in Matthew 24.

The chief point Jesus seems to be making about His future Parousia is that we can't know when it is, we can't try and figure out the day or hour, the times and seasons, by looking at events or going after signs. Jesus' return will be like a thief in the night, the Lord returns when we do not expect. Two will be in the field, and suddenly one is taken and the other remains; two will be working at the mill, one is taken and the other left. Like in Noah's time before the flood, people will be going about their business, getting married, raising families, working their jobs with no knowledge of the coming flood. In that same way Jesus returns when nobody can know. It happens when it happens.

So does that mean there is no tribulation now? Well no of course not. Jesus said that in this world we would have tribulation, so there has never been a time when there has not been tribulation. So in the sense that there has been tribulation since the beginning, and that it won't end until His return on the Last Day, then that would certainly be true that He won't return until after said tribulation--since His return marks the end of tribulation, as with His coming He brings with Him His everlasting kingdom. There is the Last Judgment, the resurrection of the dead, and God makes all things new--world without end.

-CryptoLutheran

robycop3 · Jul 18, 2020

ViaCrucis said:
I don't believe that Jesus is talking about His Parousia until verse 36, while talking about the "tribulation of those days", the sun turning dark, the moon to blood, and the sign of the Son of Man, He's still talking about the destruction of the Temple. Jesus is using big, loud apocalyptic language to talk about that event.

He shifts His attention from "those days" referring to the coming destruction of the Temple and the conflict over Jerusalem during the Jewish-Roman War to "that day" which is the day of His return. That's verse 36 in Matthew 24.

The chief point Jesus seems to be making about His future Parousia is that we can't know when it is, we can't try and figure out the day or hour, the times and seasons, by looking at events or going after signs. Jesus' return will be like a thief in the night, the Lord returns when we do not expect. Two will be in the field, and suddenly one is taken and the other remains; two will be working at the mill, one is taken and the other left. Like in Noah's time before the flood, people will be going about their business, getting married, raising families, working their jobs with no knowledge of the coming flood. In that same way Jesus returns when nobody can know. It happens when it happens.

So does that mean there is no tribulation now? Well no of course not. Jesus said that in this world we would have tribulation, so there has never been a time when there has not been tribulation. So in the sense that there has been tribulation since the beginning, and that it won't end until His return on the Last Day, then that would certainly be true that He won't return until after said tribulation--since His return marks the end of tribulation, as with His coming He brings with Him His everlasting kingdom. There is the Last Judgment, the resurrection of the dead, and God makes all things new--world without end.

-CryptoLutheran

Remember that Jesus said He will return IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIB, which will be the worst in man's history, so people will have a general idea of when He will return.

However, let each of us remember that His return is no further than THE NEXT HEARTBEAT !

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