Do Two Jerusalems kill the Premill doctrine?

BABerean2 said:

Zec 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zec 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.
Zec 13:3 And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.
Zec 13:4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his vision, when he hath prophesied; neither shall they wear a rough garment to deceive:
Zec 13:5 But he shall say, I am no prophet, I am an husbandman; for man taught me to keep cattle from my youth.
Zec 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
Zec 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.
Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.


Many Dispensationalists also claim Zechariah 12:10 proves many Jews will be saved at Christ's Second Coming.
Their claims only work by ignoring John 19:37, and Acts chapter 2.

Well I can't speak for these nameless dispensationalists! I can only speak for me and those I have taught over the years and we definitely do not ignore John 19 or Acts 2. And for the major textbooks on eschatology and soteriology I have read.

But we do know that Jews who had been taught in synagogue (and that included the disciples and Jesus) knew that Jews viewed fulfilment of prophecy in four ways as I posted earlier.

We also recognize that in one passage two different time frames can be spoken of. Zech 13 is one of those. Why?

Because in Jesus day 2/3 of Jews were not killed and the remaining 1/3 received Jesus as Messiah!

Just like I know and teach that teh New covenant is specifically for the whole house of Israel and Judah (the twelve tribes) and that we gentiles are partakers of the blessings in Christ with our fellow brethren who are Jewish. We are one body!

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nolidad said:

REad post 684 you keep repeating that lie over and over!

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jgr said:

Do you understand the difference between a lie and a disagreement?

You have your interpretation of Zechariah 12:10; I have mine.

I disagree with yours.

That's not a lie.

But if you think it is, then you're also lying, because you disagree with me.

Would you like me to submit my post to the administrators for their independent decision as to whether I've been lying?

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nolidad said:

Dispensationalism DOES NOT teach that every Jew that has ever lived will be saved.

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nolidad said:

Do what you wish!

But I am done . If you want to keep discussing with me, PM me and we will agree on a set of ground rules for us to debate. Otherwise I am going to just simply ignore you. This is not about interpretations, but you telling me what my dispensational theology teaches about a passage and me being the dispensationalist with many many books on dispensational theology know your "interpretation" of dispensationlism is a lie!

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jgr said:

I've maintained that dispensationalism believes that they in Zechariah 12:10 refers to a future group of Jews which does not include Judas, Caiaphas, et al; even though they (Judas, Caiaphas, et al) were the ones who pierced Christ, consistent with the verse which says "...they shall look upon me whom they have pierced..."

Is that accurate?

If it's not, then I'm mistaken.

But I'm not lying.

To confirm:

Does dispensationalism believe that they in Zechariah 12:10 refers to a future group or subset of Jews which does not include Judas, Caiaphas, et al?

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nolidad said:

I was about to ignore you ( I found out how to ignore a person totally) and then I read this!

Context always determine words. The they of Zechariah 12 refers to Israel as a nation and not particular individuals.

You h ave been mistaken for many pages. When I corrected you the first time, that should have been enough. When you kept repeating it, then it becomes a willing untruth aka a lie!

The Bible teaches that it is Israel and not individuals per se that will look UNTO Jesus whom they pierced and repent! as the Bible declares in Zecheriah 13.

Context is critical it teaches us to avoid such glaring mistakes as you have made!

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