It's a damnable heresy to say you can lose your salvation

AdamSTHLM · Jun 21, 2020

Studyman said:
I think you are missing some Word's of the Author and Finisher of Biblical Faith here.

If my heart stops beating I am going to die. And I will stay dead until a power, greater than me, raises me from the dead. This means I am mortal. Paul says;

1 Cor. 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Immortality, or eternal life, is a gift we don't have. It must be given to us by a Higher power. The Higher Power that gives the Gift says this;

What you're describing is not salvation but sanctification.
These two verses proves you're wrong about not having eternal life.

1 John 5:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

John 5:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Matt. 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity (Transgression of God's Commandments) shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Those being saved are the children of God. Anyone born-again will make it until the end. Those who won't endure were not of us.

1 John 5:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 2:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The end here would be speaking of our life, yes?

There are those religious men who preach the resurrection has already come. That we have already received the gift. We are also warned about this doctrine.

2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

How long to we "depart from iniquity"? To the end, Yes?

Those are the people People Jesus Himself said "shall be saved". So it is true that God doesn't give HIS precious Gift to men, and then take it away. But the "race that is set before us" continues as long as we are alive in this world.

I don't know why you're bringing up the false doctrin that the resurrection already happend. They claim that Jesus Christ second coming were at 70AD.

Salvation is not a gift if we must work for it. And if we have to work for it then it is a reward and we can gladly boast like never before.

"Many will say to me in that day"

What day is this? Is it not the day these religious men were resurrected from the dead?

How are these men any different than "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord today? They believe in Jesus, at least according to their words. They give Jesus the credit for all their helping of others, casting out demons, going on great missions to prophesy about Him?

These are the same people who relies on their rightouness plus Jesus Christ for salvation. They reject the true gospel.

Matthew 15:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

But they died as all men die. And Judgment day comes, these guys are raised from the dead, and they see their judgment. So they are saying in essence "wait a minute Jesus", don't you know who we are? We were part of a Huge Church that praised your name while transgressing your commandments. We taught men God's Commandments and Iniquity are obsolete, gone, that you kept them for us.

As I wrote, this is people that praise Him with their lips and not with their hearts. They are not saved!

But what does the Creator of the Commandments, the definer of Iniquity, who came to earth as a man, tell them?

Matt. 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If you don't have Christ's righteusness (i.e rejecting the true gospel) then you are a worker of iniquity.

2 Corinthians 5:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Did they receive the gift of Immortality?

Everybody that believes builds on the rock. Are you saying this proves one can lose salvation?

I implore you to consider these words of the Author of our Faith and more.

Oh absolutely, but please read these too:

John 6:29 King James Version (KJV)
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

1 John 3:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

John 11:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

1 Corinthians 1:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

John 5:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

God bless you.

Blood Bought 1953 · Jun 21, 2020

AdamSTHLM said:
What you're describing is not salvation but sanctification.
These two verses proves you're wrong about not having eternal life.

1 John 5:13 King James Version (KJV)
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

John 5:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Those being saved are the children of God. Anyone born-again will make it until the end. Those who won't endure were not of us.

1 John 5:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 2:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

I don't know why you're bringing up the false doctrin that the resurrection already happend. They claim that Jesus Christ second coming were at 70AD.

Salvation is not a gift if we must work for it. And if we have to work for it then it is a reward and we can gladly boast like never before.
These are the same people who relies on their rightouness plus Jesus Christ for salvation. They reject the true gospel.

Matthew 15:8 King James Version (KJV)
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

As I wrote, this is people that praise Him with their lips and not with their hearts. They are not saved!

If you don't have Christ's righteusness (i.e rejecting the true gospel) then you are a worker of iniquity.

2 Corinthians 5:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Everybody that believes builds on the rock. Are you saying this proves one can lose salvation?

Oh absolutely, but please read these too:

John 6:29 King James Version (KJV)
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

1 John 3:23 King James Version (KJV)
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

John 11:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

1 Corinthians 1:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

John 5:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

God bless you.

Excellent Post! Thanks for sending it......

eleos1954 · Jun 21, 2020

Studyman said:
I think you are missing some Word's of the Author and Finisher of Biblical Faith here.

If my heart stops beating I am going to die. And I will stay dead until a power, greater than me, raises me from the dead. This means I am mortal. Paul says;

1 Cor. 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Immortality, or eternal life, is a gift we don't have. It must be given to us by a Higher power. The Higher Power that gives the Gift says this;

Matt. 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity (Transgression of God's Commandments) shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

The end here would be speaking of our life, yes?

There are those religious men who preach the resurrection has already come. That we have already received the gift. We are also warned about this doctrine.

2 Tim. 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

How long to we "depart from iniquity"? To the end, Yes?

Those are the people People Jesus Himself said "shall be saved". So it is true that God doesn't give HIS precious Gift to men, and then take it away. But the "race that is set before us" continues as long as we are alive in this world.

"Many will say to me in that day"

What day is this? Is it not the day these religious men were resurrected from the dead?

How are these men any different than "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord today? They believe in Jesus, at least according to their words. They give Jesus the credit for all their helping of others, casting out demons, going on great missions to prophesy about Him?

But they died as all men die. And Judgment day comes, these guys are raised from the dead, and they see their judgment. So they are saying in essence "wait a minute Jesus", don't you know who we are? We were part of a Huge Church that praised your name while transgressing your commandments. We taught men God's Commandments and Iniquity are obsolete, gone, that you kept them for us.

But what does the Creator of the Commandments, the definer of Iniquity, who came to earth as a man, tell them?

Matt. 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Did they receive the gift of Immortality?

I implore you to consider these words of the Author of our Faith and more.

Did they receive the gift of Immortality?

No they did not.

The teaching of an "immortal soul" is the same deception being propagated by satan as he did in the beginning ... there is nothing immortal about us ... NOTHING ... all die earthly death .... rest in the grave (dormant sleep) until Jesus returns .... THEN we (the saved) receive the gift of immortality when He returns and the 1st resurrection happens.

Genesis 3:5

English Standard Version
But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die.

what can be more clear ...

1 Timothy 6

13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who made the good confession in His testimony before Pontius Pilate: 14Keep this commandment without stain or reproach until the appearance of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15which the blessed and only Sovereign One—the King of kings and Lord of lords—will bring about in His own time. 16He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen Him, nor can anyone see Him. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Paul sums it up nicely here ..

1 Thessalonians 4

The Return of the Lord

13Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. 14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep.

16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

18Therefore encourage one another with these words.

Daniel 12:2 says:

“And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”

I implore you to consider these words of the Author of our Faith and more

I whole heartily agree.

BBAS 64 · Jun 29, 2020

Augustine (354-430): "Perish the thought, however, that Dr. Christ should lose in those whom he foreknew and predestined; because they are the ones he also called; and those he called are the ones he also justified; while those he justified are the ones he also glorified. Curb your vices, quench your lusts, let the devil and his angels be tormented with frustration; if God is for us, who can be against us"? (Rom 8:29-31).

Studyman · Jun 29, 2020

AdamSTHLM said:
What you're describing is not salvation but sanctification.
These two verses proves you're wrong about not having eternal life.

Salvation is not a gift if we must work for it. And if we have to work for it then it is a reward and we can gladly boast like never before.
These are the same people who relies on their rightouness plus Jesus Christ for salvation. They reject the true gospel.

1 Cor. 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.

25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:

27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

Heb. 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Phil. 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,

14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

Col. 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Matt. 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

I fear you do not understand the part you must play in your own salvation. A part that Paul and Jesus both taught is essential.

Matt. 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits (works) ye shall know them.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Lawlessness)

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

I hope you might consider "Every Word" of God as Jesus instructed.

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