U.S. hits highest single day of new coronavirus cases

KCfromNC · Jun 28, 2020

Allandavid said:
What rot...!

You can't expect the A players to work through the weekend making up rationalizations for far-right propaganda.

klutedavid · Jun 28, 2020

Halbhh said:
Yes, so many younger adults just aren't concerned about catching it and then spreading it, and too many have followed the example of not wearing a mask as set as example by the president.

While those younger adults won't die in a higher percentage like the older and sicker would, they will eventually tend to be spreading it more and more to some of the vulnerable, people with underlying conditions or people that are more susceptible to getting sicker such as due to blood type and other unknown factors, where 'healthy people' end up severely ill or dying at times.

So, the young adults spreading the virus by refusing to wear a mask are setting up the nation for tens of thousands of extra deaths (and that's assuming those more at risk will manage to keep up the effortful precautions they have to do, and avoid those very same young adults in their own families that get exposed...if the those that know they are vulnerable do really well on average at protecting themselves from the increasing prevalence of the virus everywhere, then it will only be tens of thousands of extra deaths, instead of far higher)

True, but teenagers and folk in their twenties don't understand the risks. They just want to have fun with their friends.

mama2one · Jun 28, 2020

gaara4158 · Jun 28, 2020

Redwingfan9 said:
Until this week the previous high was on May 30th. One month out and deaths are still dropping. This suggests the virus is weakening and/or doctors have figured out how to treat it without patients dying. It's time for everyone to calm down and let this virus run its course. Endless lockdowns, masks and so on will only prolong the virus and the economic and social consequences will be devastating.

Oh, my. No. Just because deaths are flattening out doesn’t mean it’s not a dangerous disease. Many survivors are left with permanent lung damage, akin to that of a lifelong pack a day smoker. We can’t be so cavalier about getting it. Lockdowns and masks won’t do anything to prolong the virus’s ubiquity, in fact just the opposite. If we had actually done a full lockdown in the first place we wouldn’t be seeing this resurgence. The economic consequences of these half-hearted lockdowns have only shown us how unsustainable our current economic model is, and we need to reform it such that halting productivity for a month doesn’t destroy 100 million livelihoods.

wing2000 · Jun 28, 2020

Redwingfan9 said:
The notion that those of us who question the wisdom of self appointed experts and our government overlords should just go to an island and leave the rest of you alone is asinine. How about you leave me alone with your ridiculous, unscientific, fearful demands?

Well, our state (AZ) opened for business one week prior to Memorial Day....the governor made a bet that businesses and citizens would "do the right thing" and act responsibly. They did not...and we see the results today....our hospital ICU wards are approaching 90 percent with new cases averaging near 3k a day.

This isn't about YOU. If you have an ounce of empathy, maybe read this account from a young respiratory tech who has been working the front line here in Phoenix (excerpt from her FB post):

"I'm tired of random people telling me I'm over-exaggerating our ICU numbers or how many COVID patients we are seeing. I'm tired of people not giving a crap because they personally don't know anyone who has tested positive, so therefore it's not a big deal.

Healthcare workers have been hung up to dry by our community, silenced by people who feel privileged enough to "exercise their rights" and go enjoy themselves at a bar bursting at the seams with like-minded people.

Negligent people who believe that since they found a few videos of doctors that held their beliefs, they would prove us wrong about wearing masks.

I wear a mask for 12 hours. So do my coworkers. We wear respirators that dig into our faces so hard we come home with bruising and sores.

You know what you anti-maskers don't see besides your own ignorance?
Overflowing ICUs.
People dying ALONE. And their spouse of 40 years says goodbye via Facetime.
People begging you not to let them die as they gasp for air.
Patients that come in stable one day and by your next shift they are dead.
Patients lying on their front side on a ventilator because proning is the only thing we can try.
One family member with their hands on the glass staring into their dad's room with desperation and tears. They can't go in. They have 15 minutes to look from outside.
Healthcare workers that go home at night and have nightmares. And panic attacks. And anxiety.
You cannot begin to comprehend the chaos that is ensuing at valley hospitals right now.

-Amanda O'Dell Peterson, Phoenix, AZ

pitabread · Jun 28, 2020

This is a bit scary. It's much like what happened in Northern Italy all over again:

Arizona hospitals want more power to decide who gets care as COVID-19 overwhelms facilities, staff

Arizona hospitals on Friday asked the state Department of Health Services to formally activate crisis standards of care, rarely used guidelines that would give health care providers more freedom to decide who should be treated for the coronavirus and how they should be treated.

...

The call for crisis standards by the State Disaster Medical Advisory Committee, which represents the state's major hospitals and other health care facilities, is the clearest sign to date that the out-of-control coronavirus infection is overwhelming the state’s health care resources.

FreeinChrist · Jun 28, 2020

Arizona coronavirus update: 73,908 confirmed cases, 1,588 known deaths

Arizona cases of COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, increased by more than 3,850 cases on Sunday — the highest number of cases in a single day, according to data released by the Arizona Department of Health Services.

Arizona's total identified cases rose to 73,908 on Sunday with 1,588 known deaths, according to the most recent state figures. That's an increase of 3,857 confirmed cases, or 5.5%,since Saturday.

rjs330 · Jun 28, 2020

I honestly don't have any issues with masks. The research is mixed as to their effectivness. I mean with cases climbing there are a lot of people wearing masks. Is it helping? I don't know. But if if wearing masks help then why not?

There are things that we are not doing though that I think would help more. Why not require businesses to be open at certain hours just for those that are vulnerable? Why not close up retirement homes for any visitors at all. We have social distancing.

A lot you guys seem to put a lot of stock in masks. Are they really helping? How do you know? If everyone wore a mask what would the rate of infection be as compaired to not wearing them? Is it really that big of difference?

We were out the other day and wore masks. So, I'm not opposed. But I wonder if too much emphasis on them makes it seem like they are more effective than they really are?

Are those that are attacking people for not wearing them really that right? It just seems like they are over estimating the salvation methodology of the mask. Until we have solid evidence that the cloth masks really do help keep the spread of the virus low then perhaps we shouldn't attack our people with such vehemence.

Do face masks really reduce coronavirus spread? Experts have mixed answers. | Live Science
Controversy on COVID-19 mask study spotlights messiness of science during a pandemic

FreeinChrist · Jun 28, 2020

rjs330 said:
I honestly don't have any issues with masks. The research is mixed as to their effectivness. I mean with cases climbing there are a lot of people wearing masks. Is it helping? I don't know. But if if wearing masks help then why not?

There are things that we are not doing though that I think would help more. Why not require businesses to be open at certain hours just for those that are vulnerable? Why not close up retirement homes for any visitors at all. We have social distancing.

I have been staying with my momst in a retirement center because she is on hospice and it has been on lockdown. My mom hadn't been out of her apartment since March 1st til this last week and that was limited. Visitors are not allowed. I am a caretaker. Only my brother could come in to see her besides me because he has POA.

So that is being done. How many states is that happening?

The numbers in Michigan went down from a combination of things, one of which was masks.
But there are those who refuse to wear them even if required. There are even people who flaunt it - like the woman who got mad and coughed on a baby in a stroller. There are videos of people purposely coughing on others.

The local grocery store is open at certain times only for the vulnerable.

A lot you guys seem to put a lot of stock in masks. Are they really helping? How do you know? If everyone wore a mask what would the rate of infection be as compaired to not wearing them? Is it really that big of difference?

I thought this article is good:
Still Confused About Masks? Here’s the Science Behind How Face Masks Prevent Coronavirus

jgarden · Jun 28, 2020

U.S. hits highest single day of new coronavirus cases

Only this President could be that "tone deaf" as to be playing golf on a weekend when the number of COVID-19 cases is surging to record levels with all but 2 states showing an increase of those testing positive!

The situation is so dire that Republican Governors who recently repeated the President's message that their states were bouncing back from the pandemic and open for business, are now imploring their residents to stay home!

Even the Vice President has now resorted to wearing a mask - it would also appear that many "red" states are reaching that critical point whereby their healthcare systems are in danger of being overwhelmed!

A recently released study stated that if 95% of Americans were to were masks, the lives of 33,000 Americans could be saved - apparently that is a price this President is willing to pay to satisfy his personal vanity!

Meanwhile, the President continues to play golf while America "burns!!

Kentonio · Jun 29, 2020

rjs330 said:
There are things that we are not doing though that I think would help more. Why not require businesses to be open at certain hours just for those that are vulnerable? Why not close up retirement homes for any visitors at all. We have social distancing.

Those are both excellent measures that a lot of places have brought in. It really should be a standard.

mama2one · Jun 29, 2020

hislegacy · Jun 29, 2020

And yet, the death rates are dropping.

FreeinChrist · Jun 29, 2020

Yes, because deaths don't happen immediately.

And now there is the convalescent plasma therapy which is helpful:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/convalescent-plasma-therapy/about/pac-20486440

There is some benefit to a steroid - Dexamethasone - that is helping.

Doctors know a lot more now about the illness and also using blood thinners sooner if needed. Ventilators are more plentiful and hospitals have had time to plan for a large increase.

However, hospitalizations are really going up.
https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-sets-single-day-record-new-covid-19-cases-hospitalizations-1513969

Arizona health officials also reported the state's highest incidence of hospitalizations related to the novel virus on Sunday, with 2,691 current admissions. Almost half of those patients were admitted to Arizona medical centers over the last 14 days, amid a steady upturn in COVID-19 hospitalizations throughout June. Statewide intensive care units reached 87 percent capacity on Sunday, while 85 percent of general hospital beds were occupied.

Dr. Fauci told congress that deaths will likely rise commensurately to infection rates.

pitabread · Jun 29, 2020

hislegacy said:
And yet, the death rates are dropping.

Deaths are a lagging indicator. Give it a week or two and we'll probably start seeing a rise in death rates.

driewerf · Jun 29, 2020

Redwingfan9 said:
Old people are adults, they can decide for themselves what they want to do. If they want to stay home or go out, that's their business. They know the risks, they're not children.

So, You Never Really Were "Pro-Life," Were You?

Redwingfan9 · Jun 29, 2020

driewerf said:
So, You Never Really Were "Pro-Life," Were You?

The notion that to be pro-life means we cripple our economy over a virus with a 99.6% survival rate is asinine. All told, the number of people who end up dying from poverty and lack of medical care because governments shut down access will be higher than the total who died of Coronavirus. Mark my words.

JackRT · Jun 29, 2020

Redwingfan9 said:
The face is a window to the soul, it conveys all of our emotions. Covering up across the board denies us our humanity.

It is "the eyes are the windows of the soul" so don't wear sunglasses.

istodolez · Jun 29, 2020

Redwingfan9 said:
The notion that to be pro-life means we cripple our economy over a virus with a 99.6% survival rate is asinine. All told, the number of people who end up dying from poverty and lack of medical care because governments shut down access will be higher than the total who died of Coronavirus. Mark my words.

So what's the answer? Do we just "let 'er rip" and burn through our society?

And where did you get the 99.6% survival rate? Here's the Johns Hopkins Case Fatality rate data HERE

Now, I'm not an epidemiologist but it kinda looks like there's a significant degree of variability in the estimates. It's still relatively early in this pandemic so I would be a bit careful with potentially underestimating the lethality of this. But time will tell.

driewerf · Jun 29, 2020

Redwingfan9 said:
The notion that to be pro-life means we cripple our economy over a virus with a 99.6% survival rate is asinine. All told, the number of people who end up dying from poverty and lack of medical care because governments shut down access will be higher than the total who died of Coronavirus. Mark my words.

You weren't arfuing about crippling the economy, you were arguing against wearing a face mask. You are sooooo pro life that wearing a face mask is too much asked for saving lifes.

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