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What you said is not logical.
If sacrifices RESUME when the messiah returns, then they must be annulled at present!
If sacrifices resume when Jesus returns, then we must still be in our sin?
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If sacrifices RESUME when the messiah returns, then they must be annulled at present!
If sacrifices resume when Jesus returns, then we must still be in our sin?
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(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,
Are we in the land or not?
Did YHWH tell Israel to stone adulterers outside of the jurisdiction of the land?
Will YHWH allow adulterers in his kingdom?
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I would think Col 2:14 as a start. "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"
Deut 31:26 "Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there as a witness against you"
EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.
Ordinances = G1378 dogma {dog’-mah}
From the base of G1380; a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical): - decree, ordinance.
Meaning: 1) doctrine, decree, ordinance 1a) of public decrees 1b) of the Roman Senate 1c) of rulers 2) the rules and requirements of the law of Moses; carrying a suggestion of severity and of threatened judgment 3) of certain decrees of the apostles relative to right living
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Have you read the definition of annulled?
Definition of annul
transitive verb
1 : to declare or make legally invalid or void wants the marriage annulled His title to the estate was annulled.
2 : to reduce to nothing : obliterate
That's not the word I would use for an activity that is on hold until the Levitical Priesthood reassembles.
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You might want to do a deep study on sacrifices. I'm not going to derail this thread with that study.
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You got it.
It's either the penalties for the sins that we committed BEFORE we were reborn, or the Pharisaic dogma, or both.
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@Andre_b See there is an answer. I just don't know why only LoveGodsWord could give an answer, even if he doesn't have the full appreciation for his answer.
1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished? No one pointed out just one commandment that we are free from, but all of them as a covenant. Even Romans 7:7 and James 2:8-11
2. That Jesus is a Sabbath? Sabbath is Rest.
Matthew 11:28
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11:29
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Hebrews 4:
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?
Never. Jesus is not a day, but is inside us all the time. Sunday is not the Sabbath. Only the 7th day is the Sabbath. Jesus has given us eternity, the eighth day, which is why we celebrate the day after the 7th day.
4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?
We are not under a law, it is a celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, without which our body could not be resurrected, as our spirit is now. Some things are of the heart to follow, an appreciation, not a forced ritual.
5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?
I don't, and don't know where anyone could find it stated. Our celebration has turned into a tradition, and could become a dead work by some who would believe it a sin to miss church.
6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?
Jesus was born in the time of the Law. Just as the Sabbath was not kept before Creation week, the Resurrection could not be celebrated before it happened. (Silly question
)7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?
Jesus did not put us in bondage to another set of written Law. The eternal laws of God are written on our hearts to be done naturally as our new nature dictates our conscience. They are the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, called the ministry of the Spirit. The Old Ten Commandments were called the ministry of death.
8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?
It hasn't, except by some who interpret the Lord's Day as Sunday. I don't. I believe John was referring to the day He saw visions of the Day of the Lord - end times.
9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?
Why would they? There was no law of a certain day, besides the constant "Today" that never changes. They preached at places that held people who came to listen, and that would be on the Jewish Sabbath, mostly in the synagogues.
10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?
There are none as there wouldn't be with no written law. Actually, they gathered together every day.
11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?
There was none. But because the early Christians were written about as worshiping on Sunday, the first day of the week, Constantine chose that day to follow the tradition that was already being established. Up until then they worked everyday. Constantine let them rest one day, and chose the Sunday of the Christians at that time.
12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?
The Jews still keep the 7th day Sabbath.
13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?
As I said, there is no certain law that was singled out.
Galatians 3:
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?
A day of the week was not made LAW.
15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?
It was called the Lord's Day by the second century, and probably before.
16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?
(easy cut and paste from 15)
It was called the Lord's Day by the second century, and probably before.
17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?
It was never turned into the 7th day Sabbath.
18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?
Eternity will begin when this world is gone. Hasn't happened yet.
19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
They were more involved preaching that Jesus was the Son of God and the Savior and Lord, to preach about a work of the law.
20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?
Before Jesus died, only Jews kept the Sabbath, thus the Jewish Sabbath. I've never heard the term "Christian Sabbath."
21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?
It is in other writings from the 1st century, but not found in the 27 books we have.
22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?
I observe TODAY. Can't speak for anyone else. The Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant and was placed inside that covenants commandments. We have a new sign of the New Covenant.
23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
Only one time is a day of the week mentioned in the epistles, and that was the 1st day of the week. But it wasn't about it being a Sabbath. The Christians were gathered that day.
24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?
The only commands given were to the Gentiles in Acts 15.
5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.
25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
They didn't teach to keep the Sabbath, let alone a particular day of the week.
26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?
The Sabbath was never "eternal."
27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?
No law, just choice.
28. If we continue in known unrepentant sin are we in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?
The wages of sin is still death.
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I'm the teacher. I have the answer, but this is a test for you to take. LOL
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I more than answered this in the book I wrote answering your questions on the Sabbath in every single wording that you could come up with. LOL
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No need God's Word does that *JOHN 12:47-48. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment *JOHN 7:24. According to the scriptures he that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him *1 JOHN 2:4.
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Besides 1 John 3:23, these are the only other laws given to the Gentiles.
19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.
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Christians.
The ones not taught by Jesus or an apostle like these:
19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.
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@Andre_b See there is an answer. I just don't know why only LoveGodsWord could give an answer, even if he doesn't have the full appreciation for his answer.
1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished? No one pointed out just one commandment that we are free from, but all of them as a covenant. Even Romans 7:7 and James 2:8-11
2. That Jesus is a Sabbath? Sabbath is Rest.
Matthew 11:28
Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11:29
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Hebrews 4:
3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. 10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?
Never. Jesus is not a day, but is inside us all the time. Sunday is not the Sabbath. Only the 7th day is the Sabbath. Jesus has given us eternity, the eighth day, which is why we celebrate the day after the 7th day.
4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?
We are not under a law, it is a celebration of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, without which our body could not be resurrected, as our spirit is now. Some things are of the heart to follow, an appreciation, not a forced ritual.
5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?
I don't, and don't know where anyone could find it stated. Our celebration has turned into a tradition, and could become a dead work by some who would believe it a sin to miss church.
6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?
Jesus was born in the time of the Law. Just as the Sabbath was not kept before Creation week, the Resurrection could not be celebrated before it happened. (Silly question
7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?
Jesus did not put us in bondage to another set of written Law. The eternal laws of God are written on our hearts to be done naturally as our new nature dictates our conscience. They are the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, called the ministry of the Spirit. The Old Ten Commandments were called the ministry of death.
8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?
It hasn't, except by some who interpret the Lord's Day as Sunday. I don't. I believe John was referring to the day He saw visions of the Day of the Lord - end times.
9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?
Why would they? There was no law of a certain day, besides the constant "Today" that never changes. They preached at places that held people who came to listen, and that would be on the Jewish Sabbath, mostly in the synagogues.
10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?
There are none as there wouldn't be with no written law. Actually, they gathered together every day.
11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?
There was none. But because the early Christians were written about as worshiping on Sunday, the first day of the week, Constantine chose that day to follow the tradition that was already being established. Up until then they worked everyday. Constantine let them rest one day, and chose the Sunday of the Christians at that time.
12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?
The Jews still keep the 7th day Sabbath.
13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?
As I said, there is no certain law that was singled out.
Galatians 3:
23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?
A day of the week was not made LAW.
15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?
It was called the Lord's Day by the second century, and probably before.
16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?
(easy cut and paste from 15)
It was called the Lord's Day by the second century, and probably before.
17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?
It was never turned into the 7th day Sabbath.
18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?
Eternity will begin when this world is gone. Hasn't happened yet.
19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
They were more involved preaching that Jesus was the Son of God and the Savior and Lord, to preach about a work of the law.
20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?
Before Jesus died, only Jews kept the Sabbath, thus the Jewish Sabbath. I've never heard the term "Christian Sabbath."
21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?
It is in other writings from the 1st century, but not found in the 27 books we have.
22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?
I observe TODAY. Can't speak for anyone else. The Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant and was placed inside that covenants commandments. We have a new sign of the New Covenant.
23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
Only one time is a day of the week mentioned in the epistles, and that was the 1st day of the week. But it wasn't about it being a Sabbath. The Christians were gathered that day.
24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?
The only commands given were to the Gentiles in Acts 15.
5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.
25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?
They didn't teach to keep the Sabbath, let alone a particular day of the week.
26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?
The Sabbath was never "eternal."
27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?
No law, just choice.
28. If we continue in known unrepentant sin are we in a saved state before God or an unsaved state before God?
The wages of sin is still death.
Not one thing you have provided here answers a single question that was asked of you.
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You did not answer a single question asked of you. Do you want me to show you why and if I am able to prove to you why will you discuss each of my responses with you?
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Empty words. Appreciation of what exactly?
Your response here...
None of those scripture say God's 7th day Sabbath is abolished. ROMANS 7:7 says that through the law we have a knowledge of what sin is and JAMES 2:8-11 says if we break one of Gods 10 commandments we stand before God guilty of breaking all of God's law because we are condemned in sin.
One down - No scripture provided that answered the question.
Your response here...
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Where does it say here that JESUS is a Sabbath? - nope. God's Word alone defines what the SABBATH is here....
EXODUS 20:10, BUT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates
None of those scriptures say JESUS is a Sabbath. Look at the context of HEBREWS 4 that your leaving out here which is stating that the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH...
WHAT IS HIS REST (God's) IN HEBREWS 3 and HEBREWS 4?
HEBREWS 4
[1], Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
[2], For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[3], For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[4], For he spoke in a certain place of the SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And God did rest the SEVENTH DAY from all his works.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:1-5
NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD [the GOSPEL] enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD do not enter into that rest.
[6], Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[7], Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[8], For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[9] SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
[10], For he that is entered into his rest, he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11], Let us labor therefore to enter that rest, [God’s REST the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH] lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief [rejecting God’s WORD and sin; Hebrews 3].
KEY POINTS OF HEBREWS 4:9
Now notice Hebrews 4, verse 9: “SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”
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INTERLINEAR HEBREWS 4:9
αρα απολειπεται σαββατισμος τω λαω του θεου
So then there remains a Sabbath rest to the people - of God
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Parallel translations of HEBREWS 4:9
New International Version
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
English Standard Version
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God,
Berean Study Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
Berean Literal Bible
So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
New American Standard Bible
So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God's people.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
Therefore, a Sabbath rest remains for God's people.
International Standard Version
There remains, therefore, a Sabbath rest for the people of God to keep,
NET Bible
Consequently a Sabbath rest remains for the people of God.
New Heart English Bible
There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
SO THEN, IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
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As shown above Point 2's answer is down. No scripture that answered the question being asked... God's Word defines God's SABBATH as the SEVENTH DAY of the week not JESUS...
As can be shown above you did not answer point 1 and point 2 as shown above.
Where is the scripture that says JESUS is a Sabbath as shown above Gods' Word disagrees with you. I will go through the rest of them as I get some time. Please feel free to start with my response from your first two claims.
More to follow....
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True dear friend. It is a she... I will go through all her answers and show why they are not biblical as I get some time.
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