THE SABBATH TRUTH!

Word and Spirit said:

I have answered your questions and verses, but I just don't come up with your misinformed answers. For instance, I've told you the verses you quote written by the Apostle John are the commandments of 1 John 3:23. And James is comparing the moral laws of the bottom line, being compared to the Law of Liberty which I keep that prevents us from even coming close to breaking the royal law. This is what James is actually saying: we need to remember we are being judged by deeper laws from our heart from the Law of Liberty than those who kept the easier old surface Commandments. We cannot be loving our neighbor if we lust after his wife even from afar without touching them, or coveting something of his even if we don't steal it from him. We must rejoice with them for their good fortune, but at the same time treat the beggar with the same kind of love and help him get back on his feet showing no partiality to the rich man. Since I mentioned you leaving off verse 12, I see you are adding it now, but are clueless as to what verse 12 even means.

I keep the true meaning of the 4th Commandment today and everyday. So you can stop accusing me of something you know nothing about. Those who insist on keeping even one work of the Law, have fallen from grace. Did you know that? No, I didn't think so.

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I thought you said you were sinless or does being in the Spirit according to you mean you have no obligation to obedience to Gods' laws? Where have you answered my questions to you? We have had this same discussion for many years now. I still have the same list of questions asked of you that you ignored in our past discussions.

Where did I ask you questions about 1 JOHN 3:23? I only posted the context of 1 JOHN 3:23 you left out to show that the context is in reference to sin being breaking God's laws in post # 642 linked. The scripture context provided in the linked post here proves your claims of 1 JOHN 3 is not talking about God's 10 commandments is in error which give the example of the children of God and the children of the devil with the children of God not practicing sin (breaking God's law) leading to 1 JOHN 3:4 talking about "murder" (6th commandment EXODUS 20:13) stating sin is the transgression of the law which agrees with the definition of sin breaking the 10 commandments also given by PAUL in ROMANS 7:7; ROMANS 3:20 and JAMES in JAMES 2:10-11. Please note JAMES in JAMES 2:8-12 is agreeing with PAUL in ROMANS 13:8-10 and JESUS in MATTHEW 22:36-40 who is quoting from DEUTERONOMY 6:5 and LEVITICUS 19:18 that Gods' 10 commandments are "summed up" and hang on the two great commandments of love. Love is not separate from God's LAW the scriptures quoted here state they are a summary of God's LAW *ROMANS 13:8-10 (summary is stated in v9) as does JAMES 2:8-10. The rest of your posts is simply stating what I have already shared with you.

So I should ask you if you agree, how does one love God by breaking his 4th commandment which is our duty of love to God?

So if I did not ask any questions in post # 642 linked, in regards to 1 JOHN 3:23 how is that an example of you answering my questions? An example of what? What question did you answer? - nothing.

I still have a list of questions for you do you want to answer them now?

klutedavid said:

The scripture states that Israel was informed of the seventh day rest. And I think that would be around Exodus 12. Before this occurrence of the command to observe the seventh day rest, there is no earlier command. Exodus 12 is very near Mt Sinai.

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JESUS says that the Sabbath was made for mankind and he is the creator of it in MARK 2:27-28. ADAM and EVE were created on the 6th day of the creation week *GENESIS 1:26-31. The SABBATH was made for mankind on the "seventh day of the creation week *GENESIS 2:1-3. So ADAM and EVE (mankind) had the Sabbath who JESUS created it for being the parents of all mankind *MARK 2:27. Before the written Word of God, those who followed God had the spoken Word of God *GENESIS 3:1-3; 9; 11-19 8:15; 9:8; 24:7; 31:11 etc). God's people knew about God's commandments and laws through the spoken Word of God before the written Word of God according to the scriptures *GENESIS 26:5.

klutedavid said:

The text in Romans 3:9, is stating that the Jews thought they were better than the Gentiles. That is why Paul is correcting the Jews.

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No, ROMANS 3:9 states that both JEWS and GENTILES are all "UNDER SIN" (broken God's law)

klutedavid said:

You need to read chapter two and three of Romans. You are incorrect, the Jews had the law and thought they were superior to you.

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Nonsense, ROMANS 3:9 states very clearly that both JEWS and GENTILES are all under SIN! Wheather the JEWS thought they were superior or not does is not relevant. ROMANS 2 and ROMANS 3 are all saying the same thing. This is demonstrated in the contexts your leaving out in ROMANS 2:6-29 to ROMANS 3:1-19 that shows both JEWS and GENTILES all being under sin for breaking God's Law.

Bob S said:

How can one break a commandment that God made void? That commandment was part of the laws of the Sinai covenant which was voided by Jesus when He ushered in the new covenant at Calvary and sealed it with His own blood. There is absolutely no indication that the new covenant has a law concerning worshiping on a certain day. That command was for Israel and Israel only. It was to commemorate Israel's release from bondage.

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JESUS and the Apostles disagree with you Bob...

Jesus taught the 10 commandments…..

1. Jesus kept God’s Law (10 commandments) and said the Law and the prophets would not pass away (Matthew 5:17-18)
2. Jesus taught others to follow the 10 commandments (Mark 10:17-21)
3. Jesus taught that Love is the fulfilling (doing) of God’s Law (10 commandments Matthew 22:36-40)
4. If we break God’s Law by following man-made traditions we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
5. Jesus says if we commit sin we are a servant of sin and he has come to free us from sin (John 8:32-36)
6. Jesus taught if you love God you will keep God’s Law and abide in His Love (John 14:15; 15:10
7. If anyone is breaking any of God’s commandments and teaching others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven <least = lost> (Matthew 5:19)
8. No one can obey God’s Law producing the fruit of obedience of ourselves and unless we abide in Jesus we can do nothing (John 15:4-10)

Paul affirms the Ten Commandments……

1. Paul teaches God's people keep the Sabbath Hebrews 4.
2. Paul tells gentiles that "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of GOD" 1 Corinthians 7:19
3. Paul tells gentiles "it is not the HEARERS of the Law that are just before God but the DOERS of the Law will be justified... on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge all mankind" Romans 2:13-16
4. Paul asks that gentiles consider the doctrine of LAW "Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law of God" Romans 3:31
5. Paul tells ALL Christians that it is only the lost who will "not subject themselves to the Law of God neither indeed CAN they" Romans 8:6-8
6 Paul reaches all Christians under the NEW Covenant that God's LAW as known in Jer 31:31-33 is "written on the heart and mind" Hebrews 8:7-11
7. Paul tells all Christians that the OT text is to be used for Doctrine 2 Timothy 3:16
AND He never claims that "if I did not write it -- it is not scripture for us today" -- as one or two have imagined for us.
8. Paul tells all Christians that the 5th commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise" Ephesians 6:1-2 and is binding on all Christians.
9. God's Law (10 commandments) are holy, just and good (Romans 7:12)
10. God's Law gives us a knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20; 7:7)
11. The penalty of breaking God's Law without Jesus is death (Romans 6:23)
12. If we break God's Law we dishonor God (Romans 2:23)
13. If we sin we are "under the Law" and guilty before God (Romans 3:19)
14. We are saved by faith but our faith establishes the Law in us (Romans 3:31)
15. If we are saved by grace we should not break God's Law (Romans 6:1-7)
16. We should not break God's Law if we are under grace (Romans 6:15)
17. We are to serve the Law of God through the mind because that is where sin starts (Romans 6:17; 7:25; 8:4; 12:2)
18. It is God's Law that brings us to Jesus (Galatians 3:24)
19. God's salvation frees us from sin so we can be obedient to God's Law and live a life of holiness (Romans 6:22)
20. We will be judged by God's Law and only those that are obedient will be justified because of their faith (Romans 2:4-13)
21. God's Law can only be obeyed through love and a changed heart which comes by faith in God's Word (Romans 2:21-29; 13:9-10; Hebrews 8:9-10)
22. If we break God's Law and are in unrepentant sin we will be lost and will received God's judgements (Hebrews 10:26-27)

John affirms the 10 commandments……

1. John says it is only by keeping God’s 10 commandments that we know that we know God (1 John 2:3)
2. If someone says that they know God and do not keep God’s 10 commandments they are lying and not telling the truth (1 John 2:4)
3. We should purify ourselves as Jesus is pure (1 John 3:3)
4. Sin is the breaking of God’s 10 commandments (1 John 3:4)
5. Whoever is abiding in Christ does not commit sin (1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10)
6. If you are in unrepentant sin you have not seen Jesus or know him (1 John 3:6)
7. John warns us that only those that are obedience to God’s Law are his true followers (1 John 3:7)
8. If someone is committing unrepentant sin they are following the devil and not God (1 John 3:7)
9. If you are born of God and abiding in him you will not commit sin (1 John 3:9; 1 John 3:6; John 15:4-10
10. It is the keeping of God’s commandments that is the difference between those that are following God and those that are not following God (1 John 3:10; 1 John 5:3)
11. It is only by Love through faith that we can keep God’s commandments (1 John 5:3-4)
12. God’s true believers in the end days will keep all of God’s commandments through faith in Jesus (Rev 14:12; 22:14)

James also affirms the 10 commandments…….

1. James says God’s Law (10 commandments) are a Royal Law (James 2:8)
2. If we break one of God’s commandments we a guilty before God as sinners breaking all of God’s Law and gave some examples of breaking God’s Law (James 2:9-11)
3. James says God’s Law is a law of liberty and freedom (James 2:12)
4. The 10 commandments (God’s Law) are the standard in the judgment (James 2:12)
5. If our faith does not have the fruit of obedience to God’s Law it is dead and not true faith (James 2:16-26)

Peter affirms the 10 commandments……..

1. Sanctification is to obedience to God’s Law (1 Peter 1:2)
2. We can only be changed from sin to obedience to God’s Law by the power of God and it will be revealed in the last days (1 Peter 1:5)
3. We should give up our sins to be holy because Jesus is holy (1 Peter 1:13-16)
4. Jesus is your example who did no sin (1 Peter 2:21-22)
5. Cease from sin and do not live in the flesh (1 Peter 4:1-3)
6. Judgement will begin at the house of God and sinners (those breaking God’s 10 commandments) will not be saved.
7. God has given us his precious promises and as we believe them God will grant us his divine power to live a life of Godliness (obedience to God’s Law; 2 Peter 1:2-4)
8. The Un-Godly (disobedient to God’s Law) will be like Sodom and Gomorrah (2 Peter 2:6)
9. If any turn away from God’s Law and are in unrepentant sin breaking any of God’10 commandments they will be lost (2 Peter 2:20-22)
10 God is not willing that any should perish but that everyone should come to repentance and turn away from sin to follow God’s 10 commandments because those that do not will receive the judgements of God (2 Peter 3:5-14)

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; Ezeliel 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Corinthians 11:1; Ephesians 5:1-21; Peter 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelation 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfils God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

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According to the scriptures, God's ISRAEL are all those who believe and follow God's Word *ROMANS 9:5-8. If we are not a part of God's ISRAEL then we have no part in God's new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12 from JEREMIAH 31:31-34. Gentile believers are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. We are all now one in Christ *GALATIANS 3:28-29.

Sorry Bob it seems God's Word disagrees with you.

Hope this is helpful