Resurrection, First Resurrection and New Birth

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

It proves that as Jesus said, we have to be born from above by the Spirit and we are not "spiritually" resurrected and there is no such thing as a "spiritual" resurrection.

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Same thing! You are just playing with words! The important thing is that the first resurrection is Jesus, and that happened 2000 years ago. The first resurrection started the millennium (Rev 20).

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

I think it's not only myself that understands why you avoid the topic of this thread - it's because you have once again failed to prove that scripture contradicts the words of Jesus and talks about a "spiritual" resurrection when Jesus told us no such thing. He told us about a spiritual birth from above.

You keep avoiding this fact.

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Speak for yourself. Stop trying to talk for everyone. That is foolish.

We are born spiritually dead. Your problem is: you have no concept of total depravity,

which is sad, because this is 101 Christianity. A young unindoctrinated convert can grasp the reality that we are born in sin and shapen in iniquity. Until you grasp this, you will never see your need of spiritual resurrection.

Multiple NT passages (Luke 2:34, John 8:12, Romans 4:17, Romans 6:3-6, 2 Corinthians 1:8-10, Ephesians 2:1-6, Ephesians 5:14, Colossians 2:10-14, Colossians 3:1-4, I John 3:14) teach that we have experienced spiritual resurrection from spiritual death through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

The resurrection spoken of in scripture is always a bodily resurrection. I'm not playing with words - you've twisted the words of scripture to invent a false concept of a "spiritual" resurrection and you are desperately clinging to it because you equate your invented "spiritual" resurrection with the resurrection of Rev 20.

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The important thing is that the first resurrection is Jesus, and that happened 2000 years ago. The first resurrection started the millennium (Rev 20). The Bible makes it clear that Christ is "the first resurrection" (Acts 26:23 and Revelation 20:6), "the firstborn from the dead" (Colossians 1:18), "the firstfruits of them that slept" (1 Corinthians 15:20), "first begotten of the dead" (Revelation 1:5). Positionally, we have our part in His life, death, resurrection, ascension and glorious reign through regeneration - being "in Christ." This means the lake of fire (the second death) has no claim over us. Our sin was buried with Christ and when He arose we arose. He was our representative. He was our substitute. The company that have their “part” in the first resurrection in Revelation 20:6 are all those that are spiritually raised “in Christ” from the grave of their sin.

Romans 6:4 says, “we are buried with him by baptism into death.”

Colossians 2:12 agrees, saying, we are “Buried with him in baptism.”

Romans 6:4 says, “like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”

Colossians 2:12 again concurs, saying, “ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

Except that none of those verses are talking about a "spiritual" resurrection from death unless you remain 100% determined to read into the scriptures what is not there (eiesegesis)

For example Romans 4:17 quoted by you:

(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.)

Strongs: G2227
ζωοποιέω zōopoieō (pronounced dzo-op-oy-eh'-o)

From the same as G2226 and G4160; to (re-) vitalize (literally or figuratively): - make alive give life quicken.

Vitalize or revitalize, make alive, give life - confirming the teaching of the Lord Jesus Christ, who said we must be born from above by the Spirit and did not say we must be "spiritually resurrected" from death.

You keep proving your own "spiritual resurrection" eisegesis by quoting the very verses you quote.

Eph 2:1-6 is referring to the fact that Christ was resurrected bodily and we are in Him and He in us through birth from above by the Spirit. We share with Him in His bodily resurrection because His Spirit is in us and we are in Him - and it's our guarantee of our own coming bodily resurrection from death. The verse is not referring to your eisegetical non-biblical "spiritual resurrection".

Keep listing scripture references without actually quoting them if you like because each time you do so, and with each verse, you only prove that you have read the eisegetical non-biblical doctrine of "spiritual resurrection" into the scriptures.

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Both quicken, and resurrection mean to give life from the dead. Just as our spirit was dead before being quickened to life through the Spirit, so too if the Spirit has made us alive from the dead (resurrected/quickened) our mortal body shall also be quickened by His Spirit in us when it is resurrected from the grave on the last day. Just as our natural body in the resurrection on the last day is quickened to life, so too our spirit through the resurrection of Christ is quickened to Spiritual life when we are born again from above.

Romans 8:11 (KJV) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.

= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".


If I could make you write it out a hundred times, maybe you'll finally stop adding non-biblical eisegetical doctrine to the scripture. Unfortunately, I can't make you do that.

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John 5:24

(CJB) Yes, indeed! I tell you that whoever hears what I am saying and trusts the One who sent me has eternal life -- that is, he will not come up for judgment but has already crossed over from death to life!

(ESV) Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

(Geneva) Verely, verely I say vnto you, he that heareth my worde, and beleeueth him that sent me, hath euerlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but hath passed from death vnto life.

(Greek NT TR) αμην αμην λεγω υμιν οτι ο τον λογον μου ακουων και πιστευων τω πεμψαντι με εχει ζωην αιωνιον και εις κρισιν ουκ ερχεται αλλα μεταβεβηκεν εκ του θανατου εις την ζωην

(GW) I can guarantee this truth: Those who listen to what I say and believe in the one who sent me will have eternal life. They won't be judged because they have already passed from death to life.

(KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

(KJV+) Verily,G281 verily,G281 I sayG3004 unto you,G5213 (G3754) He that hearethG191 myG3450 word,G3056 andG2532 believethG4100 on him that sentG3992 me,G3165 hathG2192 everlastingG166 life,G2222 andG2532 shall notG3756 comeG2064 intoG1519 condemnation;G2920 butG235 is passedG3327 fromG1537 deathG2288 untoG1519 life.G2222

(NKJV) "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

(NLT) “I tell you the truth, those who listen to my message and believe in God who sent me have eternal life. They will never be condemned for their sins, but they have already passed from death into life.

(YLT) 'Verily, verily, I say to you—He who is hearing my word, and is believing Him who sent me, hath life age-during, and to judgment he doth not come, but hath passed out of the death to the life.


The bodily resurrection is found in John 5:28-30, as opposed to the spiritual resurrection found in John 5:24.
The same man also recorded Revelation chapter 20.

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Fullness of the Gentiles said:

mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.

= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".


If I could make you write it out a hundred times, maybe you'll finally stop adding non-biblical eisegetical doctrine to the scripture. Unfortunately, I can't make you do that.

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Then what of man was dead in sin, and in need or quickening to life? If you say our spirit, then it is clear that resurrection and quickening both mean exactly the same thing. That is having life from the death. Whether spiritual or bodily makes no difference except in the order of resurrecting or quickening to life from the dead. Perhaps writing out a hundred times "resurrection and quickening = life from the dead" will help it to sink in for you.

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

They have passed from death to life because:

John 3
3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus said to Him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born from above. 8 The Spirit breathes where He desires, and you hear His voice, but you do not know from where He comes, and where He goes; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.

You can repeat a million times that Jesus was wrong and that they pass from death to live via another door (ie the "spiritual resurrection" you assert makes them alive in Christ) but I believe Jesus and the scriptures.

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If you think John is contradicting himself, we have identified the error.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

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Fullness of the Gentiles said:

mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.
mortal body SHALL BE quickened.

= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".
= bodily resurrection, Not "spiritual".

If I could make you write it out a hundred times, maybe you'll finally stop adding non-biblical eisegetical doctrine to the scripture. Unfortunately, I can't make you do that.

The Spirit of Christ lives in all those whose spirit was born from above by the Spirit of Christ (NOT "resurrected from below, from death). The Lord JESUS said so. Why should anyone believe you?

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How is our mortal body resurrected to life from below? By the Spirit quickening their mortal body with life from our resurrected/quickened spirit that comes from above.

Fullness of the Gentiles said:

Quickening is not "spiritual resurrection".
The Bible teaches you - JESUS teaches you - that in order to have spiritual life you must be born from above by the Spirit of Christ above.
That reality is what places you in Christ and Christ in you and causes you to be buried with Him by baptism into death and to rise again bodily with Him and to be seated in your spirit with Him in heavenly places while you live in hope of the quickening of your own mortal body - the resurrection of your own mortal body from death.
1. Spiritual birth.
2. Resurrection from death (which is always a bodily resurrection in scripture) = "spiritual resurrection".

No. There is no such thing as "spiritual resurrection". You are following the false doctrine of someone who read "spiritual resurrection" into "quickening".

I cannot understand why you can't tell the difference between birth, and resurrection from death.

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Why do we need to be born again?

If quickening is not a spiritual resurrection of life from death, how does new birth make us alive spiritually? So you really don't believe spiritual birth is to receive spiritual life from spiritual death? Something was dead and in need of resurrection life i.e. to be quickened.