God substance and personality?

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Hello, as I've read it hear, God is of one substance, but three personalities.

❤What do you MEAN by substance? What are the characteristics of this substance?

What IS personality?
What is the difference in personality for each figure of the Trinity?

Is the human nature and personality of Jesus-the-man separate, or the same thing as, his God-personality?

What are the personalities of the Father and the Holy Spirit?

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Hello, as I've read it hear, God is of one substance, but three personalities.

"Substance" is a poor word. "Essence" would be better.

As our SoF says, "We believe in ... ONE Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, ... of one essence with the Father."

What IS personality?

"Personality" is a very poor word. The traditional English wording is "person."

That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity,
neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence.
For the person of the Father is a distinct person,
the person of the Son is another,
and that of the Holy Spirit still another.
But the divinity of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one,
their glory equal, their majesty coeternal.
(Athanasian Creed)
 
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Is the human nature and personality of Jesus-the-man separate, or the same thing as, his God-personality?

... we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.
(Athanasian Creed)

That is, Christ has two natures (human and divine) which are united together.
 
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Or essence then, what IS it?

Or person... what do you actually mean by that?

Neither term can be precisely defined. Mostly we just say what they are not.

We do articulate a list of attributes of God, however.
 
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Hello @Tellyontellyon

God is of one substance, but three personalities.

What nonsense is this that you have read? :)

Yahweh the Creator (God of the Bible) is not a substance but a spirit. He doesn't have three personalities but one.

Yahushua the Messiah (Jesus of the Bible) is His Son. His own personality, distinct from the Father, but unified in thought, heart and motive.

The Ruach HaKodesh (Holy Spirit of the Bible) is also a distinct personality, but again, unified with the Father and the Son.

But being unified in all things doesn't mean that they are literally one substance. What such a person would propose that substance would be is beyond me.

What IS personality?

I think you are probably overthinking this. You know what a personality is. You have a personality, I have a personality but the computer I'm typing on does not. Although sometimes I'm sure it does...

Is the human nature and personality of Jesus-the-man separate, or the same thing as, his God-personality?

I'm not sure what you mean. Is His personality different when He was a man to the King of Kings return. Yes and no. It would perhaps be better explained as his authority lead how He expressed His personality.

Look at it this way. If you were going to enter the world of children and appear as a child to them, you would probably alter your expression of your personality accordingly - to fit in and not be overbearing with all that you know and can do. It's not that you are a different personality, but rather a humbled version of it.

What are the personalities of the Father and the Holy Spirit?

For the Holy Spirit - read Proverbs chapters 1 to (and including) 9. Chapter numbers were added to the Scriptures by men, and it is apparent that Proverbs 1 to 9 are meant to be read as one unit - based on the structure, theme and refrains. The Holy Spirit seems to be personified as Wisdom and in opposition to the world - personified as a loose women. You can also read through the Book of Acts to see the Holy Spirit (Wisdom) work.

For the Father - No paragraph could really surmise His beauty, awesomeness, power, majesty, love and depths of His Genius. You really need to read the whole Bible (cover to cover) to see His personality. If you stay in the New Testament only, as is the habit of many Christians, you will not read the Father's words specifically. As a Christian of many years, I'm still learning, discovering and appreciating the deep personality of the Creator. He is literally the most wonderful and rich character you could ever hope to read about.

Love & Shalom
 
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I agree w/ @TzephanYahu but here are additional notes;

Hello, as I've read it hear, God is of one substance, but three personalities.

The traditional English wording is that God is of one "substance" but three "persons." These 2 terms are anglicizations of the Latin "substantia" and "persona," respectively and do not indicate what these words mean in modern English at all. Thus they are misleading words used only for historical / traditional reasons.


❤What do you MEAN by substance? What are the characteristics of this substance?

The following article is helpful:

Attributes of God in Christianity - Wikipedia


What IS personality? What is the difference in personality for each figure of the Trinity? What are the personalities of the Father and the Holy Spirit?

The following article is helpful:

Immanence - Wikipedia


Is the human nature and personality of Jesus-the-man separate, or the same thing as, his God-personality?

Jesus is God-man. Thus he has 2 natures with his human will submitted to his Divine will. He is one person, of course.
 
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Hello, as I've read it hear, God is of one substance, but three personalities.
No, not three "personalities." That approach or explanation has been specifically rejected by the church.

So, let's move on.
 
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No, not three "personalities." That approach or explanation has been specifically rejected by the church.
Would you please show me articles where the word "personalities" has been specifically rejected by the church?
 
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Would you please show me articles where the word "personalities" has been specifically rejected by the church?
The word itself does not need to have been specifically rejected; the concept has been identified and rejected as a heresy.
 
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The word itself does not need to have been specifically rejected; the concept has been identified and rejected as a heresy.
But this is just not what I found out by searching online. In a different thread you participated in I quoted many Catholic and protestant sites describing their roles as 3 personalities.

The Trinity – Personalities
The Trinity
One God - Three Personalities - Father, Son and Holy Spirit - at Holy Trinity Store
Personalities in the Trinity - The Catholic Thing
 
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But this is just not what I found out by searching online. In a different thread you participated in I quoted many Catholic and protestant sites describing their roles as 3 personalities.
The following link deals with more than we're focusing on here, but it should help explain the point.

Dear Priests: The Top 5 Heresies to Avoid This Trinity Sunday |

As for the links you added, I don't know who Gordon Olson of the Illinois Bible Fellowship is or whether he represents any church, but the Catholic link seems to say it well enough.

Thus, for the one divine nature, as pure spirit, to be elaborated by Christians as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, is not contradictory, not to be understood as “three gods.”
These three Persons, therefore, are not identical in personality, like clones, and we should not be surprised that they have specific personality characteristics. What can we say about these?
Note that it is argued that the persons of the Trinity have what we would call "personalities," but NOT that the Trinity is defined as three separate personalities.
 
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Hello, as I've read it hear, God is of one substance, but three personalities.

❤What do you MEAN by substance? What are the characteristics of this substance?
Jesus says "God is Spirit", in John 4:24. So, I would say this means God is spiritual in His being. Therefore, He is not material. So, His substance is not physical, but spiritual.

And "God is love" > in 1 John 4:8&16. So, His essence is how He is in love . . . gentle and kind and all-loving and incorruptible. And He is conscious, by being "love".

But we humans can be very about physical experience, in our seeking love and intimacy. In fact, our love can be very dependent on having someone to use for pleasure sensations. So, there are people whose real preference is for pleasure.

But God is "love", self-existent . . . not depending on physical creation for His being or His satisfaction. But He is perfectly satisfied to love any and all of us . . . unconditionally . . . and have us in sweet and sensitive sharing with each other and our Father and Jesus and Holy Spirit who are busy with doing good to ones who have trusted in Jesus > Ephesians 1:12. But God also does good to ones who are worldly > 1 Timothy 4:10. Because this is His nature . . . of "love".

But we can get isolated with our physical pursuits and interests > we can be in the same house and family, and all of us are doing some different thing > not first enjoying being with one another.

But God is our Heavenly Father and Jesus His Son and the Holy Spirit, and They are not isolated from each other . . . each trying to get some things only for oneself; but They share as family > all three are "love" because all are God of the same spiritual being and character > of family caring and sharing love.

They are Persons with personality for caring and sharing > gently and humbly > Jesus is "gentle and lowly in heart" (Matthew 11:29), and Jesus says "He who has seen Me has seen the Father," in John 14:9. So, to me this means Jesus and our Father are alike in basic spiritual nature. They are Persons, three of Them, and of the same character and Their character's personality of how love is.

But notice, by the way, how we humans can pick out certain words and isolate ourselves from each other, each with certain terms and ideas, and make ourselves the dictators of their meaning so they seem contrary to each other.

I consider how there is any existence, at all . . . and even conscious existence. And we have God who has always existed, never was brought or could bring Himself into existence and be conscious the way He is, so more and better than we are. I mean there is no way some past state of non-existence could have produced all there is. But God is so different, being "love", while we humans can tend to be isolating and impersonal. And so we tend to make Him only theoretical and philosophical, and wonder why we are so lonely and bored . . . in our isolation with our self-congratulating beliefs.

But we can share with God in His love > 1 Corinthians 6:17, Romans 5:5. And then our words can be based in our actual experience of Him > Philippians 1:9. His words of scripture are meant to go with actually experiencing what they say, in sharing with God who has us living His word > Isaiah 55:11, Philippians 2:13, 1 Thessalonians 2:13.
 
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Note that it is argued that the persons of the Trinity have what we would call "personalities," but NOT that the Trinity is defined as three separate personalities.
I'm glad you agree that they have distinguishable personalities.
 
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Hello, as I've read it hear, God is of one substance, but three personalities.

❤What do you MEAN by substance? What are the characteristics of this substance?

What IS personality?
What is the difference in personality for each figure of the Trinity?

Is the human nature and personality of Jesus-the-man separate, or the same thing as, his God-personality?

What are the personalities of the Father and the Holy Spirit?

Thanks, cheers, ta.

Here's a short video from the Coptic Church

 
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Hello, as I've read it hear, God is of one substance, but three personalities.

❤What do you MEAN by substance? What are the characteristics of this substance?

The word "substance" here doesn't mean quite the same thing as one might often mean it in English, its use comes into English from the Latin substantia, which is itself one of the ways that the Greek word ousia was translated in the Latin West. In Latin the Greek word ousia was translated both as substantia and essentia.

Perhaps the best English word that captures the Greek ousia is "being", as the Greek word here is a noun-form of the Greek verb eimi, meaning "to be", thus ousia is "being". In this sense what is being spoken about is what God is. And the answer to that is basically a tautology: God is God. There is nothing like God that He can be compared to, God is not comprised of some kind of "divine stuff", God is unitary--one--indivisible, ineffable, unknowable Being. That's what we mean by saying God is one substance, or essence, or being; God is one "what", God is one "is". God is one God.

What IS personality?
What is the difference in personality for each figure of the Trinity?

Not personalities, but persons. This is another example of the difficulty of language. Originally the word being used was a Greek one, hypostasis (plural hypostases); there are three distinct hypostases: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The word hypostasis is perhaps best described as a "which" as in the question "which one?" or a this, as in "this one". In other words the Hypostasis of the Father refers to the Father as the Father, this One is the Father who eternally begets the Son and from whom eternally proceeds the Holy Spirit; the Son is this One who is eternally begotten of the Father; and the Holy Spirit is this One who eternally proceeds from the Father [and the Son]. We are speaking of three discrete, real, distinct Hypostases, three distinct Someones. The word "person" is derived from the Latin persona (plural personae) which is a translation of the Greek word prosopon (plural prosopa). Early Christian theologians spoke of the three Hypostases as also three Prosopa. The potential trouble with prosopa is that it often meant in Greek language the "face" or "mask" worn by an actor. But is used here in conjunction with Hypostasis to indicate that each "face" is truly real, a distinct real Someone.

So what this means is that each of the Three is Himself God, truly, fully, completely, and wholly God; but not three Gods, but only one God. For the Being, the Essence or "Substance" is one, undivided and indivisible--so that we say, for example, that the Son is homoousios ("same Being") with the Father, meaning that the Son is the same Being as the Father. The Father is truly God, the one and only God; and it is the Son's unity with the Father that He is also God, not another God, but the same God as the Father. Likewise with the Holy Spirit.

Thus one God, three Persons.

Is the human nature and personality of Jesus-the-man separate, or the same thing as, his God-personality?

Jesus Christ is a single Person, a single Hypostasis, simultaneously God and human. The way Chalcedonian Christians (those who subscribe to the Council of Chalcedon from 451 AD) define this is that Jesus Christ is one undivided Person of two natures, both God and man, without any confusion or separation between the natures. This is what is known as the Hypostatic Union. It is therefore impossible to divide Jesus' humanity from His Divinity, there is only one Jesus Christ. This means that since Jesus Christ was born, we say God was born (this is why Mary is called Theotokos, "God-bearer" or mother of God), this is why we say that God suffered and died on the cross, because Jesus is fully and truly God. We do not say "only the humanity was born" or "only the humanity suffered", because Mary did not give birth to a nature, but to a Person; a nature did not suffer on the cross, a Person did. That Person is Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God who became flesh as a human being.

Jesus is one Person, a Divine Person who is also human because of the Incarnation. The union of the humanity to the Divine Son did not make Him less than He was, that is the true and one God the Son, only-begotten of the Father. Likewise, He is truly human, not "super-human", but like us in all ways except without sin. There was no difference between Jesus' humanity and our own, He was a man just like any other man. That is why we mean He is fully God and fully human, without confusion and without separation.

What are the personalities of the Father and the Holy Spirit?

Thanks, cheers, ta.

The Person of the Father is the Father, it is Who He is in relation to the Son; even as the Son is who the Son is, it is Who He is in relation to the Father; even as the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit in relation to the Father and the Son being the Spirit who proceeds from the Father, and the Son.

These three: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit speak to the inter-personal relationship that is within the Trinity: The Father to the Son and the Spirit, the Son to the Father and to the Spirit, and the Spirit to the Father and to the Son. God relates with God. God has begotten God, God is begotten from God, God proceeds from God. And it is in this is the unity of God, God alone is God.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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