490 years Daniel 9 - my chart

mkgal1 · Jun 26, 2020

Douggg said:
In the passion week of Christ, the messiah arrives in Jerusalem, Palm Sunday - 4 days afterward he was cutoff. On Easter Sunday, Jesus rose from being dead.

49 years + 434 years. Is 483 years when measured from the time the command goes forth to rebuild the city and wall. Rebuilding of the wall is in the 445 BC Artaxeres command, in Nehemiah 2.

7 Moreover I said unto the king, If it please the king, let letters be given me to the governors beyond the river, that they may convey me over till I come into Judah;

8 And a letter unto Asaph the keeper of the king's forest, that he may give me timber to make beams for the gates of the palace which appertained to the house, and for the wall of the city, and for the house that I shall enter into. And the king granted me, according to the good hand of my God upon me.

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Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

From the time of the edict until the Messiah shall be 7x7 + 62x7 (483 years) = the time of the Messiah. Your chart isn't allowing for the completion of the 62x7 set.

Edict<-----7x7=49 years----><----62x7=434years, 484 total----->Messiah

Douggg · Jun 26, 2020

mkgal1 said:
From the time of the edict until the Messiah shall be 7x7 + 62x7 (483 years) = the time of the Messiah. Your chart isn't allowing for the completion of the 62x7 set.

I am not understanding why you would think that. The 62x7 set, the 434 years are completed the passion week of Christ. I show the 434 years on my chart. The passion week of Christ runs from Palm Sunday to Easter Sunday.

mkgal1 · Jun 26, 2020

Douggg said:
I am not understanding why you would think that. The 62x7 set, the 434 years are completed the passion week of Christ. I show the 434 years on my chart. The passion week of Christ runs from Palm Sunday to Easter Sunday.

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The 483 years aren't completed on your chart - you have Jesus's arrival into Jerusalem and His crucifixion within that time period of the 62x7's.

That would be comparable to me saying "after the first week of July" and you expecting that I mean the first Wednesday in July. I would have meant the second week of July.

After the 62x7 set of time would be the beginning of the final seven years.

klutedavid · Jun 26, 2020

Douggg said:
I am not understanding why you would think that. The 62x7 set, the 434 years are completed the passion week of Christ. I show the 434 years on my chart. The passion week of Christ runs from Palm Sunday to Easter Sunday.

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Daniel 9:26
Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

mkgal1 · Jun 27, 2020

Douggg said:
Ezekiel 38/39.

Israel, the Jews, become Christians, during the 7 years following the destruction of Gog's army, and Jesus's Return is He Himself speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-29, to seal up the prophecy of the 490 years.

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

You see a gap in time there? Where? What i mean as "gap" is a timeframe laid out in Scripture that isn't contiguous. For instance...."it will last seven years" but the time is broken up...3 years - a gap - and the 4 remaining years are competed thousands of years later.

Douggg · Jun 27, 2020

klutedavid said:
Daniel 9:26
Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.

The messiah arrived in Jerusalem on Psalm Sunday. 4 days afterward he was crucified. Not years after the sixty-two weeks.

honey badger · Jun 27, 2020

Douggg said:
The messiah arrived in Jerusalem on Psalm Sunday. 4 days afterward he was crucified. Not years after the sixty-two weeks.

you mean 5 days afterward or 6 including the Sunday, as it was a Friday he was crucified .....

Douggg · Jun 27, 2020

mkgal1 said:
You see a gap in time there? Where? What i mean as "gap" is a timeframe laid out in Scripture that isn't contiguous. For instance...."it will last seven years" but the time is broken up...3 years - a gap - and the 4 remaining years are competed thousands of years later.

You were asking about scriptures that indicated there would be a gap between the 483 years and the last 7 years.

The 490 years includes sealing of that prophecy. Which includes the
confirming of the covenant for 7 years. And the end of the transgression. And everlasting righteousness brought in.

In Ezekiel 39 there are 7 years following the destruction of God's army and the feast on God's army in Ezekiel 39:4.

4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

Later in Ezekiel 39, leaving the verses about Gog's army buried in the land of Israel. There is another feast on the dead of a great army, which is the Armageddon feast in Ezekiel 39:17-18, corresponding to Revelation 19:17-18.

So the 7 years in Ezekiel 39 following the Gog/Magog event is the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27. Both of which conclude with everlasting righteousness brought in by Jesus returning, bringing the Kingdom of Heaven to be the Kingdom of God here on earth. And the transgression of not only the Jews having turned to other gods resulting in the Babylonian captivity, but also the transgression of having rejected Jesus as the messiah, which they were forced into the nations in 70 AD - finished, over.

Jesus, Himself speaking....

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there. (Matthew 24:31)
29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Everlasting righteousness comes to Earth, upon Jesus return, as the millennial reign of Christ begins here on earth. And after the Great White Throne judgment, continues for eternity, everlasting.

In Daniel 7, when Jesus ascended to heaven from the earth in Acts 1, as some of the disciples saw him, Daniel had in the vision seeing Jesus arrive in heaven and given his kingdom, an everlasting Kingdom that will have no end.

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
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So the 7 years in Daniel 9:27, begun when the prince who shall confirms the covenant (the Mt Sinai covenant) - is the same 7 years in Ezekiel 39 following Gog/Magog which ends with Jesus's return bringing in everlasting righteousness - completing the 490 year prophecy of Daniel 9.

Douggg · Jun 27, 2020

honey badger said:
you mean 5 days afterward or 6 including the Sunday, as it was a Friday he was crucified .....

Not 6, but maybe 5. Depends on where you want to start counting. During the day of Palm Sunday, or that evening after sunset. The main thing is that the messiah arrived 483 years into Jerusalem, and at essentially the same time, was cutoff.

But it is okay with me, if you want to differ with me about the 4 days, by a day or two.

honey badger · Jun 27, 2020

Douggg said:
Not 6, but maybe 5. Depends on where you want to start counting. During the day of Palm Sunday, or that evening after sunset. The main thing is that the messiah arrived 483 years into Jerusalem, and at essentially the same time, was cutoff.

But it is okay with me, if you want to differ with me about the 4 days, by a day or two.

Jesus was crucified on the sixth day as was man created on the sixth day, which is symbolic of labor ....

Douggg · Jun 27, 2020

honey badger said:
Jesus was crucified on the sixth day as was man created on the sixth day, which is symbolic of labor ....

I may be misunderstanding the intent of your post. If I have, please forgive me.

The Jewish new day begins after the sun sets in the evening. And comes into play in arguments over what day of the week was Jesus was crucified. I don't want to get into that particular argument. I am more concerned about 483 years, and the 7 years in Daniel 9:27.

Since the system we are using to determine a calendar year, the gregorian calendar, which new days begin at midnight, 4 days after being hailed as messiah, is good for me. Put under a microscope, I could be off by 1 day.

Douggg · Jun 27, 2020

mkgal1 said:
The 483 years aren't completed on your chart - you have Jesus's arrival into Jerusalem and His crucifixion within that time period of the 62x7's.

That would be comparable to me saying "after the first week of July" and you expecting that I mean the first Wednesday in July. I would have meant the second week of July.

After the 62x7 set of time would be the beginning of the final seven years.

mkgal1, you are putting the 483 years under a high powered microscope. If Jesus arrived as the messiah on Palm Sunday, the next day was the end of the 483 years. 4 days later the messiah was cutoff crucified. The gap begins there. And the world is still in it. But not for long.

In the gap, the people of the prince who shall come destroys the city and temple in 70 AD. Far into the future from then, the prince who shall come will confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant (the covenant that Daniel was confessing the transgression of by his people in the early part of the text in Daniel 9) for 7 years.

The parable of the fig tree identifies what generation will see those things in Matthew 24:15-30. The 1967 generation, of the Jews regaining Jerusalem. Israel is in the news everyday. The latest is Netanyahu is going to annex some neighborhoods in the west bank - which hamas says is a declaration of war.

honey badger · Jun 27, 2020

Douggg said:
The Jewish new day begins after the sun sets in the evening. And comes into play in arguments over what day of the week was Jesus was crucified. I don't want to get into that particular argument. I am more concerned about 483 years, and the 7 years in Daniel 9:27.

Since the system we are using to determine a calendar year, the gregorian calendar, which new days begin at midnight, 4 days after being hailed as messiah, is good for me. Put under a microscope, I could be off by 1 day.

yes Gods day begins in the night as in 12 hours of the night and 12 hours of the day or 12 x 12 = 144 or 24 hours in a day x 6 days of labor =144 or a biblical year of 360 days x 40 years in the wilderness = 14,400 or the 360 days x the 400 years in Egypt = 144,000 .... i am not arguing with you just pointing out your error regarding the sixth day ......

Dave L · Jun 27, 2020

keras said:
The 2000 year gap IS prophesied by Jesus in Luke 13:32....He will work for two 'days', then achieve His goal.
As Jesus is in heaven now, for Him 2 days will be 2000 years on earth. Confirmed by Hosea 6:2

So you know the time of the end? Based on your "interpretation" (eisegesis) of scripture?

Dave L · Jun 27, 2020

DavidPT said:
I don't think you are even grasping what I'm arguing. Even if your position is correct, your position is impossible unless there is a gap in the 70th week. But aren't some of you arguing that there are no gaps in the 70 weeks whatsoever? But if there can be a gap per your interpretation, why can't there be a gap per someone else's interpretation? A gap is still a gap, regardless when and the length of it.

There is no gap. If there were, you would present it.

Dave L · Jun 27, 2020

DavidPT said:
If you want to try and reason some of these things in an illogical manner, then have at it. But as to me, I'll stick to trying to reason things in a logical manner. There is nothing logical about, if Christ is meant in verse 27, and that the entire verse involves the 70th week from start to finish, and that this part---and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate---is meaning some 40 years later, that this indicates there are no gaps in the 70 weeks, then. I think that's called a contradiction. But maybe some people think things can be contradictory and still be the truth? But I'm not one of them that thinks this myself, but only meaning when it's obvious a contradiction is involved. Sometimes what might appear to be contradictory really isn't. But this clearly isn't the case here, though.

Here's the LXX on Daniel 9. No interpretation is necessary.

“And thou shalt know and understand, that from the going forth of the command for the answer and for the building of Jerusalem until Christ the prince there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: and then the time shall return, and the street shall be built, and the wall, and the times shall be exhausted. And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one shall be destroyed, and there is no judgment in him: and he shall destroy the city and the sanctuary with the prince that is coming: they shall be cut off with a flood, and to the end of the war which is rapidly completed he shall appoint the city to desolations. And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of the time an end shall be put to the desolation.” Daniel 9:25–27 (Brenton LXX En)

keras · Jun 27, 2020

Dave L said:
So you know the time of the end? Based on your "interpretation" (eisegesis) of scripture?

Can you add 2000 to the date when Jesus commenced His Ministry?
And despite many who argue about that date, it is provable from Luke 3:1.

Plus; it isn't the end, but a new beginning, as Jesus reigns a King of the world.

Douggg · Jun 27, 2020

Dave L said:
There is no gap. If there were, you would present it.

I presented it right here on my chart. Work back from Jesus's return to bring in everlasting righteousness, 7 years and you will see there is a gap.

Dave L · Jun 27, 2020

Douggg said:
I presented it right here on my chart. Work back from Jesus's return to bring in everlasting righteousness, 7 years and you will see there is a gap.

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I like the charts after all. They are like warning labels on packs of cigarettes. You can see what you are dealing with before investing too much time.

Dave L · Jun 27, 2020

keras said:
Can you add 2000 to the date when Jesus commenced His Ministry?
And despite many who argue about that date, it is provable from Luke 3:1.

Plus; it isn't the end, but a new beginning, as Jesus reigns a King of the world.

Have you ever tried exegesis instead of eisegesis to arrive at your predictions?

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