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I liked your post. Question. vs. 4. When it says the truth is not in him, what does John mean by "truth."



What is the seed.

It is talking about the truth of God's Word. Thy Word is truth *JOHN 6:63. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God *LUKE 8:11. Those who do not keep God's commandments do not know the truth of God's Word.
 
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Yet you claim you do not sin do not know the difference between known sin and unknown sin *ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17 and break Gods 4th commandment? What do you think 1 JOHN 2:3-4 means as well as HEBREWS 10:27-31 or even 1 JOHN 3:6-10?

Hey, you are an Adventist, right? Could you answer my response to Andre_b in #596, and read his post that I responded to. Is that what Adventists teach? That always puzzled me from other forum posters.
 
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Hey, you are an Adventist, right? Could you answer my response to Andre_b in #596, and read his post that I responded to. Is that what Adventists teach? That always puzzled me from other forum posters.
When you answer my questions to you that you ignore. Why are you using different accounts here on CF?
 
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It is talking about the truth of God's Word. Thy Word is truth *JOHN 6:63. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God *LUKE 8:11. Those who do not keep God's commandments do not know the truth of God's Word.

Actually, to be precise, it is the Spirit of Truth. John 16:13.

The Spirit is God, so 1 John 3:9, the seed is God in us. Romans 8:9
 
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Actually, to be precise, it is the Spirit of Truth. John 16:13. The Spirit is God, so 1 John 3:9, the seed is God in us. Romans 8:9

No. You cannot get any more precise than Thy Word is truth *JOHN 6:63. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God *LUKE 8:11. Those who do not keep God's commandments do not know the truth of God's Word. We can also add "It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life. God's Spirit works through the truth of God's Word as we believe and follow it. According to the scriptures, no one has God's Spirit by breaking his commandments and not believing and following His Word as it is the Spirit of the truth of God's Word and those who claim they have it according to the scriptures while knowingly breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments are lying *1 JOHN 2:3-4.
 
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No. You cannot get any more precise than Thy Word is truth *JOHN 6:63. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God *LUKE 8:11. Those who do not keep God's commandments do not know the truth of God's Word. We can also add "It is the spirit that quickens; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak to you, they are spirit, and they are life. God's Spirit works through the truth of God's Word as we believe and follow it. According to the scriptures, no one has God's Spirit by breaking his commandments and not believing and following His Word as it is the Spirit of the truth of God's Word and those who claim they have it according to the scriptures while knowingly breaking anyone of Gods' 10 commandments are lying *1 JOHN 2:3-4.

That's fine, but do you see how many denominations there are? You must have the Holy Spirit in you, the Author, to know what the Word of God MEANS.
 
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That's fine, but do you see how many denominations there are? You must have the Holy Spirit in you, the Author, to know what the Word of God MEANS.
Yes and according to the scriptures those who knowingly do not believe and follow God's Word do not have His Spirit.
 
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It is almost 1 in the morning. Going to bed. Can you answer why Adventists say that Jesus just took away the penalty for sin, and not sin, itself?

To me that means you can sin and not go to hell. I don't believe that. I believe the wages of sin is still death.
 
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We are alike. I know you well enough that you live the faith you believe, and so do I.

You said that we are alike to me, twice this evening. What do you mean by living the faith you believe?
 
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As I said, I know that is what you believe, and I don't fault you for it. You believe it honestly, and I hope you live by it. For, indeed, what is not of faith is sin.

BTW. Do you believe in these commandments of the New Covenant: 1 John 3:23? As long as you believe in these teachings of Jesus, I don't care if you keep the Old Covenant commandments too. I won't worry about you. :)

The New Covenant is in Jer 31:31-34. We are all on board with that right?

To understand Jer 31 we need to apply the rules of exegesis where we understand who Jeremiah was and something about his readers to know what the intended meaning is for his report that God will "write My Laws on their heart and mind". It most surely includes the commandments of God - spoken by God -- written on stone in Exodus 20 where as Paul said in Eph 6:1-2 the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment in that still-valid unit of Ten.

And in fact Paul reminds us in Hebrews 8:6-12 that those are Christ's commandments.

So then to "believe" Jesus is to hear and accept His commandments -

1 John 3:23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

Which include "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18
"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5
 
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Your response here...


Bob, what is it that you say is not true? Maybe you did not read what you were quoting from JOHN 15 only supports what is being shared with you.
Unless I I have lost my ability to comprehend I have to say that is garble.

You claim that love is not expressed through obedeince to Gods' Law.Then how is it expressed Bob?
I wrote, and apparently you didn't read or comprehend, that one could keep the commandments out of fear. I wrote that there is nothing in the ten commandments about love. The love commandments were expressed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. I wrote that the greatest commandments were not part of the ten commandments. I wrote that love is expressed by how we treat God and our fellow man. I wrote The ten commandments just the tip of the iceberg as to how we can show disrespect to God and our fellow man. I quoted Gal 5: 19-21, seventeen ways we dishonor. To make it a bit plainer I will start with verse
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

The ten commandments that God gave to one nation, Israel, were what He wanted them to live by. I accept that fact, but don't try to cram down my throat that they are the standard for Christians. Those ten covenant commands were never given to gentiles. Again, I ask you how you tell us they morphed into being the guide God intends to be the guide for Christians today? Do you really believe they meet the full list of sinful acts? Are they the only standard God has ever given? I don't care had they been written on Gold tablets they were not by any means a complete list of ways man can and does harm his fellow man. Think brother! Paul certainly didn't believe they were.

In your view do we love God by...

1. Having other God's *EXODUS 20:3?
2. Making idols and bowing down to them and worshipping them *EXODUS 20:4-5?
3. Using God's name in vain *EXODUS 20:7?
Absolutely not. Those commands were instilled in man from the beginning and will be through eternity.

4. Forgetting God's "seventh day" Sabbath and not keeping it Holy and working on it *EXODUS 20:8-11?
The Sabbath command was not one concerning morality. It was a ceremonial command given only to Israel. This is proven in Deut 5:
2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.....
6 ‘I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
12 ‘Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labour and do all your work,.... 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

Sabbath was a day given to Israel and no other nation. The commands, all 613 of them, given a Sinai were the words of the "IF" covenant, If you will I will, They refused to honor the words of the covenant thus the covenant was dissolved. Any of the laws of that covenant that dealt with morality, like not killing, were in effect before the covenant and will remain in effect throughout eternity. The remainder of the laws, civil, health, and ceremonial ended at Calvary where the new covenant replaced the defunct Sinai covenant.

Or do not love our neighbour by...

5. Not honouring our parents *EXODUS 20:12?
6. Killing our neighbour*EXODUS 20:13?
7. Committing adultery with their spouses *EXODUS 20:14?
8. Stealing from them *EXODUS 20:15?
9. Lying to them *EXODUS 20:16?
10. Coveting what they have been given from God *EXODUS 20:17?
NO, everyone of those commands have to do with morality and are part of the new covenant Royal Law of Love. I highlighted "part" because the list you provided is just the tip of the iceberg of ways we can dishonor our fellow man. Why can't you see this. I have explained it over and over and yet you seem not to comprehend.

Let's look at all the scriptures provided here in detail...

You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because love to God and man is expressed through them.
Duty not love is expressed through the ten. Not one of the ten express love. Now if they would have been written in the following way then you would be correct, but they were not. There is but one God, Love Him with all your heart. Love Me by not ever bowing down to Idols. Because of our love relationship we will never call each other names in vain and so on. The way the ten were written with "Thou shalt not" reveals that it was the duty of the Israelites to obey those commands. Yes, if they had love in there hearts they would do those commands out of love. They also could do them out of fear of reprisal.


There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear. You cannot separate LOVE from OBEDIENCE to God's LAW because God's 10 Commandments are the very expression of what LOVE is.
I am sure glad I don't sit at your feet soaking in your thoughts.

* If you LOVE your neighbore will you steal from them?
* If you LOVE your neighbore will you lie to them?
* If you LOVE your neighbore will you kill them?
etc etc...

*If you LOVE God will you have other God's?
*If you LOVE God will you make other God's and bow down to them?
*If you LOVE God will you use his name in vain?
*If you LOVE God you will remember to keep His Sabbath day Holy?

We can go through all the 10 Commandments which are our duty of LOVE to GOD and our fellow man.
Duty yes, God didn't say "If"

Let's look at more scripture...

What does Jesus say when he talk about the commandments. Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of DEUTERONOMY 6:5 and LEVITICUS 19:18.

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

Let's get clearer...
Yes, lets get clearer. The two greatest commands are not part of the ten commandments. And that makes the Law to include all of the book of the Law not just the ten as you are trying to teach.

Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.
Clear as mud.

What about Paul? He wrote a lot of books in God's Word....

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
[9], For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, IT IS BREIFLY SUMMED UP IN THIS SAYING, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

Note: Compare now the words of JESUS with Paul in MATTHEW 22:36-40; LUKE 10:25-28; MATTHEW 19:16-21; ROMANS 13:8-10 you will see that LOVE is simply summing up obedience to Gods' 10 commandments.
Wow! What a narrow view of what is love.

What about James...

JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
[11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
[12], So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments agreeing with JESUS and PAUL.
no, James is telling us that the Royal Law of Love is" [8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
Sorry LGW, seems God's Word disagrees with you.
 
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No he wasn't No one is under the law; unless they break the law.
Do you have some reason for being disagreeable? Are you not aware that under the law means under the dictates of the law? Jesus was born under the law of works. After Calvary when Jesus proclaimed that the old covenant was finished mankind became under the law of Grace.
 
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Unless I I have lost my ability to comprehend I have to say that is garble.

I wrote, and apparently you didn't read or comprehend, that one could keep the commandments out of fear. I wrote that there is nothing in the ten commandments about love. The love commandments were expressed in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. I wrote that the greatest commandments were not part of the ten commandments. I wrote that love is expressed by how we treat God and our fellow man. I wrote The ten commandments just the tip of the iceberg as to how we can show disrespect to God and our fellow man. I quoted Gal 5: 19-21, seventeen ways we dishonor. To make it a bit plainer I will start with verse
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

The ten commandments that God gave to one nation, Israel, were what He wanted them to live by. I accept that fact, but don't try to cram down my throat that they are the standard for Christians. Those ten covenant commands were never given to gentiles. Again, I ask you how you tell us they morphed into being the guide God intends to be the guide for Christians today? Do you really believe they meet the full list of sinful acts? Are they the only standard God has ever given? I don't care had they been written on Gold tablets they were not by any means a complete list of ways man can and does harm his fellow man. Think brother! Paul certainly didn't believe they were.

In your view do we love God by...


Absolutely not. Those commands were instilled in man from the beginning and will be through eternity.


The Sabbath command was not one concerning morality. It was a ceremonial command given only to Israel. This is proven in Deut 5:
2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. 3 It was not with our ancestors that the Lord made this covenant, but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.....
6 ‘I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
12 ‘Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. 13 Six days you shall labour and do all your work,.... 15 Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

Sabbath was a day given to Israel and no other nation. The commands, all 613 of them, given a Sinai were the words of the "IF" covenant, If you will I will, They refused to honor the words of the covenant thus the covenant was dissolved. Any of the laws of that covenant that dealt with morality, like not killing, were in effect before the covenant and will remain in effect throughout eternity. The remainder of the laws, civil, health, and ceremonial ended at Calvary where the new covenant replaced the defunct Sinai covenant.

NO, everyone of those commands have to do with morality and are part of the new covenant Royal Law of Love. I highlighted "part" because the list you provided is just the tip of the iceberg of ways we can dishonor our fellow man. Why can't you see this. I have explained it over and over and yet you seem not to comprehend.


Duty not love is expressed through the ten. Not one of the ten express love. Now if they would have been written in the following way then you would be correct, but they were not. There is but one God, Love Him with all your heart. Love Me by not ever bowing down to Idols. Because of our love relationship we will never call each other names in vain and so on. The way the ten were written with "Thou shalt not" reveals that it was the duty of the Israelites to obey those commands. Yes, if they had love in there hearts they would do those commands out of love. They also could do them out of fear of reprisal.

I am sure glad I don't sit at your feet soaking in your thoughts.

Duty yes, God didn't say "If"


Yes, lets get clearer. The two greatest commands are not part of the ten commandments. And that makes the Law to include all of the book of the Law not just the ten as you are trying to teach.


Clear as mud.

Wow! What a narrow view of what is love.

no, James is telling us that the Royal Law of Love is" [8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
Sorry LGW, seems God's Word disagrees with you.

Not really dear friend, as it depends if you believe God's Word or not. Everything your posting here is repitition that has already been shown from the scriptures to be in error and shown as such through the scriptures in post # 548 linked; post # 549 linked; post # 550 linked and post # 551 linked. For me, your post here only shows that you have not read the posts and scriptures shared with you that disagree with you Bob. Sorry my dear friend, it seems that God's Word does not teach what you are teaching here. My prayer is that you may consider the scriptures that are only shared in love and as a help to you. May you receive God's Word and be blessed. Ignoring them do not make them disappear. They become our judge come judgement day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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It is almost 1 in the morning. Going to bed. Can you answer why Adventists say that Jesus just took away the penalty for sin, and not sin, itself?

To me that means you can sin and not go to hell. I don't believe that. I believe the wages of sin is still death.

So are you claiming that you have 0 sin now? You are acting and thinking perfect in this life? Christ forgives us of all unrighteousness but I've never heard that people are living perfectly afterwards. Even Paul records his struggles with sin at times.

So why will you still die the first death?
 
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