Was It Appropriate for Thomas to Address Yeshua as "My God"?
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The primary issue being addressed was his unbelief, and Yeshua gives him a stern rebuke on that account.
27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.”
A more accurate translation is "Do not be faithless, be faithful!"
That being said, I have no issue with his exclamation. I think he finally got it.
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Does this creed and definition acknowledge these words of Christ?
John 14:28. You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
John 13:16. Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than He who sent him.
John 10:29, 30. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one.
John 15:20, 21. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they keep My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me.
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Technically yes; but I would rather you not.
(CLV) Jn 10:34
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, that `I say you are gods'?
(CLV) Jn 10:35
If He said those were gods, to whom the word of God came (and the scripture can not be annulled),
(CLV) Jn 10:36
are you saying to Him Whom the Father hallows and dispatches into the world that `You are blaspheming,' seeing that I said, `Son of God am I?
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I accept his exclamation as valid, while maintaining the distinction between Father and Son.
John 14:28. You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
John 13:16. Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than He who sent him.
John 10:29, 30. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. I and My Father are one.
John 15:20, 21. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they keep My word, they will keep yours also. But all these things they will do to you for My name’s sake, because they do not know Him who sent Me.
John 20:17. Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.
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2 John 1:9. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
The distinction between Father and Son must be maintained.
Matthew 7:21. Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
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Since Lord Jesus is God in the flesh, Thomas was exactly right.
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Yes, as long as we maintain this distinction.
2 John 1:9. Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God.
He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
The distinction between Father and Son must be maintained.
Matthew 7:21. Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,
but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
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UBS 5 shows no variants. NA of course usually lists more. But the fact that none made it into UBS 5 suggests that this is probably not a very good argument.
I'd point out that this verse points to God's presence in Christ, but not any specific theory of the incarnation. It's consistent with everything from "God was in Christ" (2 Cor 5:19 AV) to Chalcedon.
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Not even technically could I call you God, unless every thought and word you spoke was truth. You're not God ...
Jesus said that the to the EGOTISTICAL Pharisees to divert them. Because he did claim to be God, they wanted to stone him...
So... Jesus told them something that got them concentrating on themselves in their ego mania without them realizing Jesus was distracting them away from their first state of reaction...
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father."
They felt they were gods to begin with. Jesus was turning their thinking inward. Jesus was saying essentially, if the Word of God comes to them? To speak it would make them "god" to the people under them. What Jesus also said, was that he was "set apart." Unlike them, all Jesus did was the Word of God. Therefore (unlike them who only got the word for moments) he was constantly being God. That went right by them, but Jesus effectively disarmed them by getting them to think about themselves in their self love.... and, Jesus walked away. Kind of like when Paul brought up the resurrection before the Sadducees and Pharisees, when just prior they were trying to accuse Paul. Paul diverted them into debating themselves and got their eyes off of him.
Acts 23
6 Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead.” 7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)
6 Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead.” 7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)
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So lessee. In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. In the beginning was the Word...All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made....And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us. Gets kinda hard to maintain that distinction, doesn't it?
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You've provided some very interesting speculation.
How do you explain this verse?
(CLV) Ps 82:6
I Myself have said: you are elohim, And sons of the Supreme are all of you.
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By the recognition of Authority. Who grants it, and who obeys.
Doctrine of Christ.
John 5:
19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does;
and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel.
21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them,
even so the Son gives life to whom He will.
22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son,
23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
What is Truth for the Son is Truth for those who 'walk as He walked."
Matthew 10:
24 A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master.
25 It is enough for a disciple that he be like his teacher, and a servant like his master.
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