LoveGodsWord said:
↑ Love is expressed through obedience to the law. Love is not expressed through breaking it as shown in
ROMANS 13:8-10;
JAMES 2:8-12;
MATTHEW 22:36-40.
Your response here...
Not at all LGW. The law could be kept out of fear of reprisal. Jesus told us in Jn 15 what true love is: 9 ‘As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10 If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love. 11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12 My command is this: love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command. There was nothing in the ten commandments about love. .
Bob, what is it that you say is not true? Maybe you did not read what you were quoting from JOHN 15 only supports what is being shared with you.
You claim that love is not expressed through obedeince to Gods' Law. Then how is it expressed Bob? In your view do we love God by...
1. Having other God's *
EXODUS 20:3?
2. Making idols and bowing down to them and worshipping them *
EXODUS 20:4-5?
3. Using God's name in vain *
EXODUS 20:7?
4. Forgetting God's "seventh day" Sabbath and not keeping it Holy and working on it *
EXODUS 20:8-11?
Or do not love our neighbour by...
5. Not honouring our parents *
EXODUS 20:12?
6. Killing our neighbour*
EXODUS 20:13?
7. Committing adultery with their spouses *
EXODUS 20:14?
8. Stealing from them *
EXODUS 20:15?
9. Lying to them *
EXODUS 20:16?
10. Coveting what they have been given from God *
EXODUS 20:17?
Let's look at all the scriptures provided here in detail...
You cannot separate God’s Law of love from the 10 commandments because love to God and man is expressed through them. There is no need for confusion here. God’s Word makes it very clear. You cannot separate LOVE from OBEDIENCE to God's LAW because God's 10 Commandments are the very expression of what LOVE is.
* If you LOVE your neighbore will you steal from them?
* If you LOVE your neighbore will you lie to them?
* If you LOVE your neighbore will you kill them?
etc etc...
*If you LOVE God will you have other God's?
*If you LOVE God will you make other God's and bow down to them?
*If you LOVE God will you use his name in vain?
*If you LOVE God you will remember to keep His Sabbath day Holy?
We can go through all the 10 Commandments which are our duty of LOVE to GOD and our fellow man.
Let's look at more scripture...
What does Jesus say when he talk about the commandments. Jesus is quoting from Old testament scriptures of DEUTERONOMY 6:5 and LEVITICUS 19:18.
MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.
Let's get clearer...
LUKE 10:25-28
[25], And behold, a certain lawyer stood up and made trial of him, saying, Teacher,
WHAT SHALL I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?
[26], And he said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
[27], And he answering said, THOU SHALT LOVE THE LORD THY GOD WITH ALL THY HEART, AND WITH ALL THY SOUL, AND WITH ALL THY STRENGTH, AND WITH ALL THY MIND; AND THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[28], And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this DO, AND THOU SHALT LIVE.
Note when JESUS is talking about the two great commandments of love to God and Man the Scribes and Pharisees knew he is referring to the old testament scriptures of DEUTERONOMY 6:5 AND LEVITICUS 19:18 which sum up the law and the prohets (compare to ROMANS 13:8-10).
MATTHEW 19:16-21
[16], And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master,
WHAT GOOD THING SHALL I DO, THAT I MAY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE?
[17], And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: BUT IF YOU WILL ENTER INTO LIFE KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS.
[18], He saith unto him, WHICH? JESUS SAID, THOU SHALT NOT MURDER, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, HONOR YOU MOTHER AND FATHER AND THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF
[20], The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
[21], Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. <Jesus showed him that he may have fulfilled His duty of love to his neighbor but not to God breaking commandment 1 and 2 loving riches more than God>
Note the two questions being asked in LUKE 10:25-28 and MATTHEW 19:16-21 are the same questions but different answers being given. One is answered with love to and your neighbor the other is given keep the 10 commandments. As love sums up God’s law…
Well Jesus makes it very clear that what he is talking about it is the 10 commandments of God's Law.
What about Paul? He wrote a lot of books in God's Word....
ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
[9], For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT,
IT IS BREIFLY SUMMED UP IN THIS SAYING, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.
Note: Compare now the words of JESUS with Paul in MATTHEW 22:36-40; LUKE 10:25-28; MATTHEW 19:16-21; ROMANS 13:8-10 you will see that LOVE is simply summing up obedience to Gods' 10 commandments.
What about James...
JAMES 2:8-12
[8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, ye do well:
[9], But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
[10], FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL KEEP THE WHOLE LAW AND YET OFFEND IN ONE POINT, HE SHALL BE GUILTY OF ALL.
[11], FOR HE THAT SAID, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY SAID ALSO DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY AND YOU KILL, YOU HAVE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW.
[12], So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Well James makes it very clear what he is talking about when he talks about the Royal Law of love. He is talking about the 10 commandments agreeing with JESUS and PAUL. So Jesus and James and Paul all agree that when they are talking about God's 10 commandments which also include the 4th commandments they are talking about our duty of LOVE to God and man which are old testament references from DEUTERONOMY 6:5 and LEVITICUS 19:18. Seems like a lot of Love being shared to me here in the 10 commandments Bob don't you think? The 4th commandment is also a moral commandment and our duty of love to God.
Sorry Bob seems God's Word disagrees with you dear friend
Hope this is helpful