Ammillennial Return of Christ: by Dr. Sam Storms

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I was once a deacon in a Dispensational Bible Church.
A former preacher who had attended Dallas Theological took it upon himself to teach the doctrine in Sunday School. He recommended the book "Things to Come", by Dr. Dwight Pentecost. I purchased the book, and read it.

Sadly, many of the things in the book were not found written in my Bible.
After doing some research I learned that John Nelson Darby had brought the doctrine to the United States about the time of the Civil War. For some strange reason the pastors at my church did not want those sitting in the pews to know the history of their doctrine. I had to wonder why not, if it was the truth.

Many today are waking up to the truth about this man-made doctrine, which claims God did not fulfill His promises to the Jewish people, at Calvary.

My wife and I are now part of a New Covenant church body.


The New Covenant: Bob George



Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.


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Well then it is sad that your church did not teach the birth of modern dispensationalism, and its name prior to the 5th century!

Pentecost was excellent, but He used a little too much allegorical interpretation which is the hallmark of amill theology and covenant theology (which amillenialism is a branch of its eschatology.

I also teach my students the popularization of amillenial though t(that Jesus will not set up a 1,000 year kingdom) and covenant theology through Augustine and then inculcated by Rome. It was kept by calvin, LUther in parts and definitely the reformed churches.

Most New covenant churches tht I knoew fo teach the heresy of replacement theology--that God is through with Israel and the church now has all the blessings God promised to the nation. Or a variant of that truth.
 
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Isaiah 30:26a Also verses 27-28 and 30 Read and understand that the Lords Day of wrath will be a massive sunstrike that will be fulfilled literally. Malachi 4:1 & 3

Massive Sunstrike? [patting on your back]...umm okay if you think so. Sorry, but Keras... this is not what the Bible actually predicted that way. :)
 
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While many of the ECF did indeed hold to a form of premil, was not the Dispy Rapture version, but at least they did understand prophecy from a literal Grammar method, as the spiritualizing aspect came in big time under Augustine and Roman Church!

Agreed! There were no arguments of pre-mil, post mil, amil, pre trib. mid trib etc. These are all more modern terms! Most of teh church held to what we now call the literal, hitorical, grammatical method of interpretation. They just called it simply obeying the /Word of God! Most of teh Early churches had no Jewish Scriptures! Most did not even have a full ledger of what was to become the New Testament!
 
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Most New covenant churches tht I knoew fo teach the heresy of replacement theology-

Who has replaced the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16?

Who has replaced the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8?

Who has replaced the one people of God, with two peoples of God in John 10:16?

Who has replaced the word "so", with the word "then" in Romans 11:26?

Who has replaced the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles?

Honestly answer the questions found above, and we will see who is really teaching the heresy of "replacement theology".

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Massive Sunstrike? [patting on your back]...umm okay if you think so. Sorry, but Keras... this is not what the Bible actually predicted that way. :)
A flat rejection of a perfectly feasible explanation for what the Lord will use on the Day of His wrath, is not just foolish, but means you prefer your own opinions to understanding what the Prophets really are telling us.

Realize that what will happen at the Sixth Seal Day of the Lords wrath, must be a natural event, or people would be without any choice as to whether there is a God or not.
Don't put yourself in the category of those in 2 Peter 3:1-7
 
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A flat rejection of a perfectly feasible explanation for what the Lord will use on the Day of His wrath, is not just foolish, but means you prefer your own opinions to understanding what the Prophets really are telling us.

Yeah, yeah...so you think...
After the sun gave out its gaseous cloud of fire (sunstruck), it becomes BLACK like sackcloth, literally.
And the moon becomes blood literally.
And the balls of fire that are located "far far away in the galaxy" are coming right at us with many more massive than our wimpy G4 sun. Hollywood style!

armageddon.gif


Ohhhhhh! Yeah right! You are dreaming!

These will not happen the way you wanted to see it. You need to study what the sun, moon, blood, figs, trees, wind, mountain, etc. God has defined in Scripture. Do your homework instead of being brainwashed by Hollywood's disaster movies
 
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Well then it is sad that your church did not teach the birth of modern dispensationalism, and its name prior to the 5th century!

Pentecost was excellent, but He used a little too much allegorical interpretation which is the hallmark of amill theology and covenant theology (which amillenialism is a branch of its eschatology.

I also teach my students the popularization of amillenial though t(that Jesus will not set up a 1,000 year kingdom) and covenant theology through Augustine and then inculcated by Rome. It was kept by calvin, LUther in parts and definitely the reformed churches.

Most New covenant churches tht I knoew fo teach the heresy of replacement theology--that God is through with Israel and the church now has all the blessings God promised to the nation. Or a variant of that truth.

Who do they teach that we have replaced?
 
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Yeah, yeah...so you think...
After the sun gave out its gaseous cloud of fire (sunstruck), it becomes BLACK like sackcloth, literally.
And the moon becomes blood literally.
And the balls of fire that are located "far far away in the galaxy" are coming right at us with many more massive than our wimpy G4 sun. Hollywood style!

armageddon.gif


Ohhhhhh! Yeah right! You are dreaming!

These will not happen the way you wanted to see it. You need to study what the sun, moon, blood, figs, trees, wind, mountain, etc. God has defined in Scripture. Do your homework instead of being brainwashed by Hollywood's disaster movies

You and 5thkingdom need to tone your language down. You are not advancing Amil with your insults.
 
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You and 5th need to tone your language down. You are not aiding Amil with your insults.

Do you realize that I was talking to Keras, right? This has nothing to do with the amillennial view. It has to do with Keras' erroneous interpretation of Isaiah 30 and Malachi 4.
 
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Do you realize that I was talking to Keras, right?

Yes. Just because you disagree with him does not mean that he is brainwashed. I disagree with him a lot, but it does not advance the cause of truth calling names.
 
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Tribulationsigns said:
Do you realize that I was talking to Keras, right?

sovereigngrace said:

Thank you for correcting yourself.

This has nothing to do with 5th and amillennial. Know your place. I stand by with my comment for Keras that he is brainwashed by a doctrine, prophet, or movie that interprets everything in the Bible literally and that I have suggested that he needs to learn to compare Scripture with Scripture himself to find God's definition for these terms. Studying with God's Word is the only way to know the truth because it is HIS interpretation that we need to search out IN the Bible. Not some man-made fantasy of physical disasters out there!

Genesis 40:8 KJV
[8] And they said unto him, We have dreamed a dream, and there is no interpreter of it. And Joseph said unto them, Do not interpretations belong to God? tell me them, I pray you.

Thank you!
 
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After the sun gave out its gaseous cloud of fire (sunstruck), it becomes BLACK like sackcloth, literally.
And the moon becomes blood literally.
Worldwide devastation from a Coronal Mass Ejection:
Isaiah 24:1-6 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth, split it and turn it upside down and scatter its inhabitants. Everyone will be affected.
The earth dries up and withers, it is desecrated by those who live in it. They have broken My Laws and violated My covenant, that is why a curse consumes the earth and its peoples suffer, their numbers dwindle, only a few are left.

The Lords Day of vengeance and wrath by a CME strikes the earth, affecting all its inhabitants. Isaiah 30:26a, 63:1-6, 66:15-17, Revelation 6:12-17, Habakkuk 3:12

Isaiah 24:7-13 Crops fail, the people are shocked and anxious. Their cities are in chaos and their houses shuttered and locked. Nothing but desolation is left in the towns, the bridges and highways are destroyed. So it will be throughout the world, among the nations, as an olive tree is beaten and stripped.

Cities and towns will become uninhabitable – no food, power or water and roads impassable. “Suddenly, in a single Day” is mentioned in Isaiah 10:7 & Isaiah 47:9 All the nations of the world face the sun over a 24hr period. A huge Coronal Mass Ejection will strike all the earth in one rotation. Isaiah 30:26a, Malachi 4:1

Isaiah 24:14-16a People from the West and the East, acclaim the Lord. In the coasts and islands of the sea, we hear them sing- from the ends of the earth, glorifying the God of Israel.
As Isaiah 30:26b says: ‘On that Day, I will save My people’. They will praise the Lord for their salvation. Isaiah 66:8.

Isaiah 24:16b-20 But, there will be trouble for the earth on the Day that the Lord opens the window of heaven and shakes the earth’s foundation. It will lurch and sway like a drunkard and whoever tries to escape will be caught, like in a trap.
There will be worldwide earthquakes. The unrighteous will be punished- no one will escape. Jeremiah 4:23-29, Luke 21:35

Isaiah 24:21-23 On that Day, the Lord will punish the powers in the heavens above and the leaders on the earth below. They will be made prisoners, punished for a long time. The sun and moon will grow pale. God will reign in Jerusalem and will be revealed in His glory to the elders of His people.
2 Thessalonians 1:10
Reference: REB verses abridged.

The sky will be darkened for a while because of the approaching mass and the smoke and ash clouds. The moon will glow red when this mass strikes it.
The Lord’s faithful Christian people will move to and settle in all of the regenerated holy Land. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26
The Glory of God will return into the rebuilt Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-9

The elders and leaders, Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:21, will know Him, as in ancient times, with Abraham, Moses and David, etc. Jeremiah 3:14-18

All this is before the Return of Jesus: at that time; He will come on the clouds with His angels, visible to all. He destroys the armies of the Anti Christ on the Great Day of the Sovereign Lord. Revelation 16:14

It is the terrifying and shocking, worldwide Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the next prophesied event, what is described in Isaiah 24 and in 100+ other prophesies.

Note; that there is absolutely no hint of a ‘rapture’ of anyone at this time. The Lords people, every faithful Christian, will gather and settle in the new country of Beulah, in all that area promised to Abraham. Isaiah 62:1-5 Jeremiah 23:3-4. Ezekiel 48:1-29

The survivors of the world’s peoples will organize a one world government, as their leaders have gone. 10 regions will be established, each led by a President. It will not be long before one of them assumes full dictatorial powers.
You know the rest of the story!

Trib Signs; I did ask that you change your ugly avatar.
But judging from your posts and replies, it is appropriate!
 
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Worldwide devastation from a Coronal Mass Ejection:
Isaiah 24:1-6 Be warned, the Lord is about to strip the earth, split it and turn it upside down and scatter its inhabitants. Everyone will be affected.
The earth dries up and withers, it is desecrated by those who live in it. They have broken My Laws and violated My covenant, that is why a curse consumes the earth and its peoples suffer, their numbers dwindle, only a few are left.

The Lords Day of vengeance and wrath by a CME strikes the earth, affecting all its inhabitants. Isaiah 63:1-6, 66:15-17, Revelation 6:12-17, Habakkuk 3:12

Isaiah 24:7-13 Crops fail, the people are shocked and anxious. Their cities are in chaos and their houses shuttered and locked. Nothing but desolation is left in the towns, the bridges and highways are destroyed. So it will be throughout the world, among the nations, as an olive tree is beaten and stripped.

So you basically forced the verses to support your theory of "Coronal Mass Ejection"? Sorry to disappoint you, but no. This has nothing with the sun.

Note; that there is absolutely no hint of a ‘rapture’ of anyone at this time.

So you do not believe in the rapture. Okay...

The Lords people, every faithful Christian, will gather and settle in the new country of Beulah, in all that area promised to Abraham. Isaiah 62:1-5 Jeremiah 23:3-4. Ezekiel 48:1-29

Oh, instead of the rapture, God will gather all faithful Christians and settle them on this cursed Earth, in a "country" called "Beulah." Okay...

The survivors of the world’s peoples will organize a one world government, as their leaders have gone. 10 regions will be established, each led by a President. It will not be long before one of them assumes full dictatorial powers.

You think there will still functioning man-made governments on earth after all of what you have mentioned above?! Okay...

Well, sorry, NOPE. This is NOT what Scripture actually says. I am not going to get involved with your theories that is out of the left field. These are pure speculations.
 
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Based on what I have seen so far, I agree.

When you look through a dispensational lens, you are sincere and work hard to try and fit all the verses as if they were puzzle pieces to be put together.
When you actually read how others have viewed it, you want to reject all other ideas automatically without really taking a look.
The premill writers seek to dismiss quickly ideas that are right in scripture.
 
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