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Because God's law gives us a knowledge of what sin is ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7 and the wages of sin is death *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:15. Are you reading the scriptures in the posts shared with you dear friend?

Yes, dear, I know them all by heart.

Yes, the wages of sin is death, and that is exactly why Jesus freed our desires from wanting to sin, to wanting to abide in Jesus and keep His commandments.

I don't know when that change happened in you, but I remember the weight off me from having no power over a certain sin that I loved, to having no desire for it anymore overnight! The power of the Spirit is amazing. And it is not something that you have one day, and is gone the next. It doesn't turn on and off like a faucet. No! For 43 years I have felt in love with Jesus and totally loyal. And He in turns speaks to me and answers all my prayers. What a difference from my first 30 years on earth going to church and believing in Jesus, but powerless to obey Him. Many on these forums know what I'm talking about because many are not Spirit-filled like I wasn't, and still walk in darkness. They just can't relate to any scripture that implies a true Christian is sinless. This is why there are man-made false doctrines such as "we will always sin," "not sinning is a struggle" like in Romans 7:14-23. They twist scripture until it fits their experience. And some even go so far as make grace a license to sin without condemnation. I know what 1 John 3:9 and 1 John 3:5 mean, because I live it. And 1 John 3:21-24 shows why all my prayers are answered. I am not unique in that; I'm just one of those of Romans 8:29-30.
 
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Not really dear friend. I believe JESUS and the Apostles and all the new covenant scriptures that disagree with you. As shown here 1. Scripture proof here linked. 2. More scripture proof here and 3. more here linked.

Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it. JESUS did not come to destroy Gods' Law. He came to fulfill it and establish it in those who believe and follow Gods' Word *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:4; ROMANS 13:8:10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:4-10; REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14.

As posted many time times love fulfills and establsihes God's law in those who believe and follow Gods' Word it does not abolish it. This is something JESUS and the Apostles never taught and is not biblical.

Hope this is helpful.

I clicked on your #1 and found it to be a book. I would prefer we discuss this in bite-size portions as I can't stay on the computer all day.

What surprises me is you seem to think by following the commandments of Jesus you think I must be breaking God's laws. But, even if you are not, I have the assurance that God is pleased with me. 1 John 3:21-24.
 
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Yet you have not shown anything I have shared with you to be in error, but your ignoring my posts, scriptures and question to you that prove why I believe your interpretation of the scriptures are in error. I believe your problem is that you do not understand what the old covenant is and therefore not able to clearly understand what the new covenant is. This is what I have been triyng to show in the scriptures through my earlier posts to you. I pray you may spend some time considering them. This is only posted in love and as a help to you. I hope you can receive this in the Spirit it was given.

Do you not see that the Old Covenant was only UNTIL Jesus? It was our schoolmaster, and a way for our sins to be covered for a year, until the next Day of Atonement. But I still refer to the written laws such as those on divorce and remarriage, because they apply to me. Friend, let's take a moment and discuss God's laws on them, okay. I would like to know if you believe God's laws permits remarriage from a divorce, or only from the death of a spouse.
 
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I clicked on your #1 and found it to be a book. I would prefer we discuss this in bite-size portions as I can't stay on the computer all day.
Yes there is a lot of scripture there that disagrees with you. Does this not concern you?
What surprises me is you seem to think by following the commandments of Jesus you think I must be breaking God's laws. But, even if you are not, I have the assurance that God is pleased with me. 1 John 3:21-24.
According to the scriptures, no one is following the commendments of JESUS by breaking anyone of God's commandments as shown in the scriptures shared with you already.
 
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Yes, dear, I know them all by heart.

Yes, the wages of sin is death, and that is exactly why Jesus freed our desires from wanting to sin, to wanting to abide in Jesus and keep His commandments.

I don't know when that change happened in you, but I remember the weight off me from having no power over a certain sin that I loved, to having no desire for it anymore overnight! The power of the Spirit is amazing. And it is not something that you have one day, and is gone the next. It doesn't turn on and off like a faucet. No! For 43 years I have felt in love with Jesus and totally loyal. And He in turns speaks to me and answers all my prayers. What a difference from my first 30 years on earth going to church and believing in Jesus, but powerless to obey Him. Many on these forums know what I'm talking about because many are not Spirit-filled like I wasn't, and still walk in darkness. They just can't relate to any scripture that implies a true Christian is sinless. This is why there are man-made false doctrines such as "we will always sin," "not sinning is a struggle" like in Romans 7:14-23. They twist scripture until it fits their experience. And some even go so far as make grace a license to sin without condemnation. I know what 1 John 3:9 and 1 John 3:5 mean, because I live it. And 1 John 3:21-24 shows why all my prayers are answered. I am not unique in that; I'm just one of those of Romans 8:29-30.
If you keep God's commandments or not I do not judge you as only God is our judge and knows if we keep his commandments or not. Although the scriptures do teach we can know if somone is from God or not from God *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:9-10. God's people are in every church living up to all the light that He has revealed to them. You claim to keep God's 10 commandments and be sinless. May I ask dear friend how do you claim to keep God's 10 commandment and claim you are sinless while disregarding God's 4th commandment when the scriptures teach that if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7?
 
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Do you not see that the Old Covenant was only UNTIL Jesus? It was our schoolmaster, and a way for our sins to be covered for a year, until the next Day of Atonement. But I still refer to the written laws such as those on divorce and remarriage, because they apply to me. Friend, let's take a moment and discuss God's laws on them, okay. I would like to know if you believe God's laws permits remarriage from a divorce, or only from the death of a spouse.

I have only shared with you that the old covenant was only until JESUS. I believe your problem is that you do not understand what the old covenant is and therefore not able to clearly understand what the new covenant is (scriptures provided earlier). You seem to be ignioring my posts and the scriptures in them. I pray you may spend some time considering them. This is only posted in love and as a help nothing more. I only hope all the best for you.
 
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Yes there is a lot of scripture there that disagrees with you. Does this not concern you?

I've studied this subject multiply times, so I doubt that you could correct my beliefs. But just so you know. If you want to believe in both the commandments of Jesus AND the Old Covenant laws, that's fine with me, and I appreciate that. What I HATE with a passion are the false doctrines of grace being a license to sin, or that all Jesus did regarding sin was to free us from the wages of sin.

According to the scriptures, no one is following the commendments of JESUS by breaking anyone of God's commandments as shown in the scriptures shared with you already.

Do you think love would allow me to murder, or steal, or bear false witness, or commit adultery? Does God answer all your prayers? He does mine. So according to scripture I know I am keeping His commandments. If He answers all of yours too, then you are too. If not, then maybe you should get filled with the Spirit. Best thing that ever happened to me.
 
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Although the scriptures do teach we can know if somone is from God or not from God *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:9-10. God's people are in every church living up to all the light that He has revealed to them. You claim to keep God's 10 commandments and be sinless. May I ask dear friend how do you claim to keep God's 10 commandment and claim you are sinless while disregarding God's 4th commandment when the scriptures teach that if we break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4; ROMANS 7:7?

1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:9-10

These are the commandments that the Apostle John is referring to:

1 John 3:23

Romans 7:7 shows that it is definitely the Ten Commandments that is being referred to in chapter 7 as the LAW. (The Old Covenant)

I would like for you to go back a few verses, to see what Paul is actually saying.

Romans 7:4-6
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

This is why the next chapter is about the New Covenant, that frees us from the Old Covenant the ministry of death.

Romans 8:1-9
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Paul confirms that the Ten Commandments are the ministry of death in 2 Corinthians 3:7-11. The New ministry is the ministry of the Spirit.
 
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I have only shared with you that the old covenant was only until JESUS. I believe your problem is that you do not understand what the old covenant is and therefore not able to clearly understand what the new covenant is (scriptures provided earlier). You seem to be ignioring my posts and the scriptures in them. I pray you may spend some time considering them. This is only posted in love and as a help nothing more. I only hope all the best for you.

We have already agreed that the Ten Commandments were part of the Old Covenant. Right? What did you think of Paul's previous verses that you skipped? Romans 7:4-6
 
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We have already agreed that the Ten Commandments were part of the Old Covenant. Right? What did you think of Paul's previous verses that you skipped? Romans 7:4-6
Well this one only show your not reading my posts to you are you. Please read post # 105 linked; post # 106 linked and post # 107 linked tell me what you think thiey mean. If you do not know what the old covenant is how can you understand what the new covenant is that the old points to? Happy to discuss ROMANS 7:4-6 what do you think it means or how do you interpret it in context of ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 8? Although I do not know how longer I will continue to be honest if your going to continue to ignore my posts.
 
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1 John 2:3-4 and 1 John 3:9-10

These are the commandments that the Apostle John is referring to:

1 John 3:23

Romans 7:7 shows that it is definitely the Ten Commandments that is being referred to in chapter 7 as the LAW. (The Old Covenant)

I would like for you to go back a few verses, to see what Paul is actually saying.

Romans 7:4-6
4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

This is why the next chapter is about the New Covenant, that frees us from the Old Covenant the ministry of death.

Romans 8:1-9
There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Paul confirms that the Ten Commandments are the ministry of death in 2 Corinthians 3:7-11. The New ministry is the ministry of the Spirit.

Yes and no. Your mixing up the two covenant without understanding what the old covenant is. In the new covenant God's law gives us the knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil, sin and righteousness *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. It cannot make us holy or right with God it just gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken and is the standard of all righteousness *PSLAMS 119:172. The new covenant is God's law of love written on the heart and is expressed through obedience to God's law not disobedience in God's law. Sin in the new covenant is the same it always has been and that is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and not believing and following God's Word *ROMANS 14:23. You cannot separate love from law as Gods' love is expressed through it *ROMANS 13:8-10 not by breaking it *JAMES 2:10-11. That is why JESUS says on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. JESUS and Paul or any of the Apostles do not teach anywhere that God's 10 commandments are abolished. They all teach that they are establised and fulfilled by love in the heart of those who believe and follow Gods' Word. Paul calls them them ministry of death not because they are abolished but because God's 10 commandments reveal what sin is and the wages of sin is death *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:16 and they lead us to JESUS where we are changed from death to life and made free through Gods Grace and forgiveness in JESUS and made free to walk in His Spirit to love according to God's new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. To claim that God's 10 commandments are obsolete is to go against the teachings of JESUS, and pretty much all the old and new testament scriptures which are too many to post here (1. Scripture proof here linked. 2. More scripture proof here and 3. more here linked). God's law is not obsolete in the life of a christian according to the scriptures they are establsihed through a new heart to love by God's Spirit and love is the fulfilling (doing) of God's law in those who believe God's Word. There is too much scripture here that disagrees with you dear friend. Does this not concern you?

Hope this helps.
 
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Yes and no. Your mixing up the two covenant without understanding what the old covenant is. In the new covenant God's law gives us the knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil, sin and righteousness *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. It cannot make us holy or right with God it just gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken and is the standard of all righteousness *PSLAMS 119:172. The new covenant is God's law of love written on the heart and is expressed through obedience to God's law not disobedience in God's law. Sin in the new covenant is the same it always has been and that is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and not believing and following God's Word *ROMANS 14:23. You cannot separate love from law as Gods' love is expressed through it *ROMANS 13:8-10 not by breaking it *JAMES 2:10-11. That is why JESUS says on these two great commandments of love to God and man hang all the law and the prophets *MATTHEW 22:36-40. JESUS and Paul or any of the Apostles do not teach anywhere that God's 10 commandments are abolished. They all teach that they are establised and fulfilled by love in the heart of those who believe and follow Gods' Word. Paul calls them them ministry of death not because they are abolished but because God's 10 commandments reveal what sin is and the wages of sin is death *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13; ROMANS 6:16 and they lead us to JESUS where we are changed from death to life and made free through Gods Grace and forgiveness in JESUS and made free to walk in His Spirit to love according to God's new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. To claim that God's 10 commandments are obsolete is to go against the teachings of JESUS, and pretty much all the old and new testament scriptures which are too many to post here (1. Scripture proof here linked. 2. More scripture proof here and 3. more here linked). God's law is not obsolete in the life of a christian according to the scriptures they are establsihed through a new heart to love by God's Spirit and love is the fulfilling (doing) of God's law in those who believe God's Word. There is too much scripture here that disagrees with you dear friend. Does this not concern you?

Hope this helps.

When Paul says we are no longer under the law, it doesn't mean that we will break those bottom-line commandments, but take them further and deeper to the source of sin, the heart. Instead of writing commandments on stone, God writes His eternal law on our hearts - to love God with all our heart, soul and body, and love our neighbor.

The commandments written on stone, could not be kept naturally, because they were against our sinful nature. The commandments written on our hearts are kept naturally, because they a part of the divine nature that we partake of.
 
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Well this one only show your not reading my posts to you are you. Please read post # 105 linked; post # 106 linked and post # 107 linked tell me what you think thiey mean. If you do not know what the old covenant is how can you understand what the new covenant is that the old points to? Happy to discuss ROMANS 7:4-6 what do you think it means or how do you interpret it in context of ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 8? Although I do not know how longer I will continue to be honest if your going to continue to ignore my posts.

Frankly the scriptures you supply are not what you think they mean. Take for instance. James 2. You believe James is confirming the Old Covenant laws written on stone. But he is not. Verse 12 is the key verse that you miss, just like you don't quote Romans 7:4-6, and still haven't told me what you think it means. I don't blame you for wanting to give up, because these scriptures go against your denomination's teachings. Just because you don't know that we are not under the law that contained Romans 7:7, but know we need to believe in Jesus and love our neighbor, we are both pleasing in God's sight. And if you never see the difference, you are still living in the light you have. But beware of Romans 8:9. It is not something that the Adventist church teaches correctly. Not everyone who claims to believe in Jesus, actually has His Spirit indwelling them. Matthew 7:21-23
 
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When Paul says we are no longer under the law, it doesn't mean that we will break those bottom-line commandments, but take them further and deeper to the source of sin, the heart. Instead of writing commandments on stone, God writes His eternal law on our hearts - to love God with all our heart, soul and body, and love our neighbor.

The commandments written on stone, could not be kept naturally, because they were against our sinful nature. The commandments written on our hearts are kept naturally, because they a part of the divine nature.

Not really dear friend. ROMANS 3:19 teaches that we are only "UNDER THE LAW" when we stand guilty before God of breaking the law. If we have repented and confessed our sins to JESUS and by faith believe and accept God's promise of forgiveness through his great sacrifice. Then it is our forgiveness of sin that means we are no longer "UNDER THE LAW". We are not saved by God's law all God's law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith. It is because of God's love and mercy to us that we have God's grace and forgiveness through faith and it is here we see God's love and forgiveness through JESUS and through his shed blood (wages of sin) that he gives to us where we see God's love. We do not keep God's law to be saved we do so because we are saved by Gods' grace and are now free to walk in His Spirit of love. There is nothing that you are telling me here that I have not already told you elsewhere yet you believe God's law is abolished because you do not understand the covenants. Yet is is not abolished it has the same role it awlays has but in the new covenant is established in the heart by faith that works by love and fulfilled in the Spirit to love. No one has ever said we need to keep Gods' law to be saved in the new covenant. We keep God's law in the new covenant because we are already saved and love God.
 
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Frankly the scriptures you supply are not what you think they mean. Take for instance. James 2. You believe James is confirming the Old Covenant laws written on stone. But he is not. Verse 12 is the key verse that you miss, just like you don't quote Romans 7:4-6, and still haven't told me what you think it means. I don't blame you for wanting to give up, because these scriptures go against your denomination's teachings. Just because you don't know that we are not under the law that contained Romans 7:7, but know we need to believe in Jesus and love our neighbor, we are both pleasing in God's sight. And if you never see the difference, you are still living in the light you have. But beware of Romans 8:9. It is not something that the Adventist church teaches correctly. Not everyone who claims to believe in Jesus, actually has His Spirit indwelling them. Matthew 7:21-23

If you read my posts you would know that I believe no such things. It seems dear friend that you believe you can have love without Gods' law yet it is the very scriptures you deny in your post above that teach that love is fulfilled and establsihed through God's law. This is what ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12 and MATTHEW 22:36-40 all teach and have in common. If we break God's law it only shows one does not love God and is still in their sins, as God's law is established by love through faith in the life of those who believe and follow God's Word and have been set free to walk in God's Spirt *ROMANS 3:31; ROMANS 8:4; JOHN 8:31-36; GALATIANS 5:16. True not everyone that claims to have who claims to believe in JESUS has God's Spirit in them but my Lord says you shall know them by their fruits *MATTHEW 7:16-27; 1 JOHN 2:3-4
 
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It seems dear friend that you believe you can have love without Gods' law

I have all of God's law in my heart, not just the bottom line from kindergarten. That is what you cannot understand and wrongly accuse. I've graduated to all of God's law from God's Spirit into my heart.

Romans 1-8 are Paul's 8 chapter-teaching on sin and the Ten Commandments, and the culmination into the New Covenant of living in the Spirit that puts the righteous requirements of the eternal law of LOVE into our nature. It was a completely new concept after centuries of having to obey commandments from a nature that opposed it. This is why obedience to the law was stressed, but it created the struggle depicted in Romans 7:14-23. And grace was introduced, but stressed in Romans 6 it would not be a license to sin, which it would be if the old nature was intact. None of the middle chapters of this teaching should be taken out of context of the whole 8 chapters, which is what you are doing, but so are the false doctrines of the Reformation.

Our dead old nature makes us dead to the desire to sin. Jesus puts His own powerful and sinless Spirit within us, which is why we cannot sin with the Seed of the Father in us 1 John 3:9. Many cannot understand this concept because they still have their old nature, and believe everyone else does too. Wrong. The verse is true and no words like practice need to be added. It is like I could no more kill an animal than I could a child. It is not that I don't practice killing children and animals. I couldn't do it even once!
 
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Not really dear friend. ROMANS 3:19 teaches that we are only "UNDER THE LAW" when we stand guilty before God of breaking the law. If we have repented and confessed our sins to JESUS and by faith believe and accept God's promise of forgiveness through his great sacrifice. Then it is our forgiveness of sin that means we are no longer "UNDER THE LAW". We are not saved by God's law all God's law does is give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken and leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven through faith. It is because of God's love and mercy to us that we have God's grace and forgiveness through faith and it is here we see God's love and forgiveness through JESUS and through his shed blood (wages of sin) that he gives to us where we see God's love. We do not keep God's law to be saved we do so because we are saved by Gods' grace and are now free to walk in His Spirit of love. There is nothing that you are telling me here that I have not already told you elsewhere yet you believe God's law is abolished because you do not understand the covenants. Yet is is not abolished it has the same role it awlays has but in the new covenant is established in the heart by faith that works by love and fulfilled in the Spirit to love. No one has ever said we need to keep Gods' law to be saved in the new covenant. We keep God's law in the new covenant because we are already saved and love God.

God's grace is God's power to no longer sin at all. Jesus didn't come to leave us slaves to sin John 8:34-36, and is just here to replace the inconvenience of the blood of bulls and goats. 1 John 1:9 is ONCE, to cleanse us of our old sins, 2 Peter 1:9. And then empower us to partake of the divine nature. You would have us sinning, repenting, sinning, repenting, sinning, repenting, ad infinitim. That is not the gospel. It is reminiscent of the Old Covenant, your mindset.

Daniel 9:24 shows us a prophecy of what the Messiah will do, and HE DID.

To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
 
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Unfortunately, it is you that doesn't know that the Ten Commandments are NOT God's eternal laws. God's eternal laws are LOVE God with all your heart, soul and body, and LOVE your neighbor as yourself. The Ten Commandments could not make anyone love anyone. It could only show how much we failed, and our need for Jesus. And now that a person abides in Jesus, this LOVE is what is written on our hearts and what the Spirit leads us in. It is like the old commandments but on steroids. We accomplish true righteousness by being able to obey believing in Jesus and loving our neighbors.

You see with the Ten Commandments you could hate, but you just couldn't murder. With the Spirit you love, therefore cannot hate, and cannot murder. So with only the Ten Commandments you can break the commandments of Jesus. But with Jesus' commandments you cannot break any of the partial Ten Commandments.

A truly excellent, thoughtful post!
 
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God's grace is God's power to no longer sin at all. Jesus didn't come to leave us slaves to sin John 8:34-36, and is just here to replace the inconvenience of the blood of bulls and goats. 1 John 1:9 is ONCE, to cleanse us of our old sins, 2 Peter 1:9. And then empower us to partake of the divine nature. You would have us sinning, repenting, sinning, repenting, sinning, repenting, ad infinitim. That is not the gospel. It is reminiscent of the Old Covenant, your mindset.

Daniel 9:24 shows us a prophecy of what the Messiah will do, and HE DID.

To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,

According to the scriptures, sin is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and not believing and following Gods' Word *ROMANS 14:23. Do you keep God's 4th commandment? If not what do you think 1 JOHN 2:3-4 and JOHN 15:1-5 mean?
 
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I have all of God's law in my heart, not just the bottom line from kindergarten. That is what you cannot understand and wrongly accuse. I've graduated to all of God's law from God's Spirit into my heart.

Romans 1-8 are Paul's 8 chapter-teaching on sin and the Ten Commandments, and the culmination into the New Covenant of living in the Spirit that puts the righteous requirements of the eternal law of LOVE into our nature. It was a completely new concept after centuries of having to obey commandments from a nature that opposed it. This is why obedience to the law was stressed, but it created the struggle depicted in Romans 7:14-23. And grace was introduced, but stressed in Romans 6 it would not be a license to sin, which it would be if the old nature was intact. None of the middle chapters of this teaching should be taken out of context of the whole 8 chapters, which is what you are doing, but so are the false doctrines of the Reformation.

Our dead old nature makes us dead to the desire to sin. Jesus puts His own powerful and sinless Spirit within us, which is why we cannot sin with the Seed of the Father in us 1 John 3:9. Many cannot understand this concept because they still have their old nature, and believe everyone else does too. Wrong. The verse is true and no words like practice need to be added. It is like I could no more kill an animal than I could a child. It is not that I don't practice killing children and animals. I couldn't do it even once!

I am sorry dear friend. This is wrong on so many levels. Yet all the scriptures that have already been provided to you, so no need to repeat them here. No one has God's law in their heart while breaking anyone of them in outward action according to the scriptures *James 2:10-11. I thankyou for the conversation but I guess it is time to finish our conversation and move on. I only hope the best for you and pray you may consider what has been shared with you from the scriptures.

May God bless you as you continue in His Word.
 
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