There is no overlooking of anything, God’s own Son paid a huge price for the sins of the world. God did not overlook the sacrifice of His Son. My sins were judged at the cross never to be tried again by God, Jesus is my righteousness. So does God overlook my sins in the sense of a debt I owe, yes. Does God overlook my sins in the sense of a Father correcting His son so that I may bear more fruit, no. You do not understand fully what Jesus did for you.
Why not simply repent of sin and be an ex-sinner instead of recrucifying the Lord over and over again for ongoing sins? (Heb 6:6)
Yes we live in a fleshy body and sin still tempts us and at times we fail. Not sure your point here.
God made a way to cure that situation of the "fleshly" body...kill it, as per Rom 6:6.
I brought this up in the way that I did because I know you law guys love James ch 2.
I fail to see a connection.
Can you see that your works or keeping of the law have nothing to do with whether or not your salvation is secured eternally.
If you won't answer my questions, I gotta think you can't differentiate between the Law's works FOR salvation and the deeds done by the faithful to manifest their faith.
Anti obedience crowd? Faith is our obedience not our performance.
Show me your faith by your sins and I will show you my faith by my obedience to the Judge.
Those who attempt to keep the letter of the law will break it those who walk in faith will keep it through Christ.
As the "letter of the Law" isn't in question here, to suppose, and correctly, surprises me that we agree that those who "walk in faith" can keep it.
It is actually the Law of Christ...ie., love God above all things and love your neighbor as yourself that those who walk in faith do perfectly.
The freedom and victory comes once you know there is no law to break because His righteousness rests eternally on you. Once the law is gone and grace is established then and only then will you have victory over sin.
I agree again, that there is no victory over sin by those who don't have the righteousness of God by grace.
Sinners are bereft of grace.
Victory over sin is not self will or striving to discipline yourself, victory over sin is it does not even tempt you. The only way this comes is to know that you are fully forgiven and eternally secure a keeper of the law by His righteousness.
Wow, I thought this would be confrontational, but we keep agreeing.
Your point agrees with Gal 5:24..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.", and with 1 John 3:9..."Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
When you add rules over a person it only makes them want to rebel when you fully forgive and free them they choose to walk free and therefore walk out in love. Your self imposed rules you feel you must follow are only hurting you, but that’s the point the law it will bring a man to the end of himself.
I hope your not confusing man made "rules" for God's, or Jesus' commands.
This verse popped into my mind..."But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise
government." (2 Peter 2:10)
Romans ch 7 read it slowly. The law is spiritual or supernatural, the law is not carnal but the law is holy. The law has sold our carnal flesh into the bondage of sin. Our flesh is not saved nor will it ever be. We have two natures that war against each other. We all are growing in Christ as He is taking more and more authority over our flesh by His truth and grace towards us. So yes the believer is dead to the law but their flesh is not it can’t be it is not saved.
As Paul lamented..."O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?" (Rom 7:24), but already addressed in Rom 6:6..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."...it is evident that Paul was writing from a perspective of his prior to faith life.
The old nature was killed with the fleshly mind.
This point was prophetically spoken of by Jesus when He made reference to new wine being put into new bottles.
The Holy Ghost will not reside in an old "bottle", (body).
It must be the new creatures "body".
Those in Christ do not have sin on them BECAUSE OF CHRIST!
Amen to that.
And thanks be to God for His Son.
You keep on alluding that you do not commit sin, now if your point was that Christ is your full sin offering I would see your point, but that does not seem to be your point. Amazing.
I can more than allude to the grace of God's manifestation in HIS new vessel.
I live it everyday.
There is no confusion here on my part. Our spirit man, that which is saved and is eternal stands secure within Christ because of His righteousness.
I agree totally, and your POV agrees with Eph 2:6..."And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"
Our flesh which is not saved and is carnal is still subject to the law which is holy. Are flesh still has the ability to sin but our spirit man is sinless not because of our own righteousness but because of the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Who is in command of your skin?
It cannot lie or steal without the mind's consent.
Fact is, it is the vessel of God's Spirit for those with faith in Christ, and isn't "our" flesh anymore.
Like Paul notes in Gal 2:20..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me."
That kinda leaves the faithless to wonder why they keep committing sins.
A believers sin debt has been paid and removed by the finished work on the cross. God disciplines His children and crowns are at stake for ones faithfulness but never our salvation.
More that just "crowns" are at stake.
Jesus said..."Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matt 7:22-23)
Those seemingly faithful people were still servants of sin instead of servants of God.
They allowed their fleshly minds to "run the show".
Their flesh hadn't been destroyed at their conversion.
And the manifester of that lack of faith was iniquity (sin).
I would expect this comment from somebody who believes their works will determine whether or not they will enter eternity with Jesus. I’m guessing that when it is said worthy is the Lamb you will stand up and say, and me.
How can a man manifest faith in Christ without manifesting Christ?
You can call obedience "works", but it seems you are unaware that the "works" railed on by Paul were the "works" of the Mosaic covenant,, ie., circumcision, dietary laws, feast keeping etc.
Not loving one's neighbor as one's self.
The new creature has nothing to do with your flesh. The flesh is separate from what has been saved but we still exist with these two nature’s. Over time through grace God removes or gives us victory over the flesh but during that time His grace holds us and we definitely don’t loose our salvation on account of our struggles.
That POV runs counter to scripture, especially 2 Cor 5:17..."Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."...except the old nature?
Again I reference Jesus' words about new wine into new bottles. (Matt 9:17)
God won't put His Spirit into an "old man"
You just explained ("If nothing can separate you from God, why would you commit a sin?") the power of grace and eternal security and you don’t even know it. Thank you for that.
Your welcome.
I'm glad to see that you can understand that as nothing can separate you from God, neither can anything cause you to commit a sin that will separate you from God.
You said “Nobody will be judged for my sins or my obedience but me.” By judged I assume you mean eternally. If so then what was the point of Christ if you will determine your own righteousness and somehow have the ability to.
We all have the choice as to whom we will serve.
That responsibility doesn't evaporate with conversion, but is furnished to us by Christ, by the grace of God.
Don't make it sound so horribly anti-faithfulness.
You said you are no longer a servant of sin because of study, repentance, the Holy Spirit, baptism, His word and tongues, all these things are absolutely wonderful but are not why you are no longer a servant of sin. You are no longer a servant of sin because Christ has taken your punishment and has made you the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus by His blood and nothing else.
I can't separate the one from the other.
They are one.
And they are all wonderful !
Now I’m curious about something do you personally ever sin?
No, but if you want more info on this life in Christ you will need to PM me.
The rules of this Christian site forbid writing of perfect obedience to their God.
