Shaun King Calls Jesus Statues & Images Are a Form of White Supremacy & Should Be Removed

White supremacy in this country does not exist. The people who try to make a narrative and claim white supremacy never go to a person and blame them, they make up situations and label it racist and say that there is X group behind it all. Take the example of the garage door loop in the Nascar garage for a black driver named Bubba. The loops are there to close the garage doors. It was soon discovered that those loops are on all of the garage doors to help close them and that it was not a noose. We can be savages about this or we can be civil and I am afraid that many people want to start drama and add more wood to the fire than is needed. And we all know that a fire that is too big turns into a forest fire and that is what we have.

Arc F1 said:

We are all getting ready to be tested. The love of many will grow cold. I know I'm having a hard time with all of what's going on and it's all I can do to keep from going off the deep end. My first thoughts tend to be wanting to take someone's head off and that's not how I should feel. As a Christian I know that's wrong but the test is really hard. We have to endure until the end. I'm going to have to get my mind away from the news for a while and start getting closer to God. I have to stop letting the hatred from others get to me. The path is narrow and I've got to stay on it.

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The hatred of the news gets to me as well. I can't blame my family but they always have FOX news on the television and I don't see them change the channel to anything else very much. I see my family use FaceBook as well and they also watch FOX news on there as well. Ben Shapiro, Gavin McInnes, and the rest are my family's favorite people to talk about. I try my best to ignore it but it is very hard when the heater grate in your room is above the TV which is on the ceiling in the front room below. I have to put a piece of plywood over it so it's quiet. I can essentially hear the TV crystal clear from up in my bedroom.

The path is narrow and it is hard to stay on. To stay pure with Christ, I must tune out the hatred of man for each other and make my soul pure. Quarreling, arguing, etc. makes for no good reason to be in Heaven. I must stay away from politics because it is I think vs. I think and it always leads to arguments. The Bible is not about this, it is of pureness and love and we all must be on this narrow path of righteousness.

Radagast said:

They were patriots in the sense that they fought for their states.

The whole concept of the US as a single monolithic entity is something that developed after, and partly because of, the Civil War.

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And most of the statues were not erected until half a century after the Civil War.

its not going to happen.

I Love History & Archaeology said:

White supremacy in this country does not exist.

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"We've always been at war with Eastasia."

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

"We've always been at war with Eastasia."

-CryptoLutheran

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Where is Eastasia? Do they have KKK members there? Your profile picture tells me that you probably don't like that hate group anyways. The question arises though. Is race really all that matters or are we all special in the eyes of the Lord regardless of skin color? I'd change your profile picture to Christian Lives Matter since we are all in the name of Christ. Jesus never focused on skin color, he just focused on the state of your soul and how to be closer to God's word. Some thoughts to consider. One tribe rising above another tribe makes another tribe oppressed which leads to that tribe trying to rise above the previous one. With Jesus we are all risen above ignorance and hatred and given eternal life. Unify with each other, not destroy each other.

Radagast said:

They were patriots in the sense that they fought for their states.

The whole concept of the US as a single monolithic entity is something that developed after, and partly because of, the Civil War.

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There was never a doubt that the United States was a single nation. What wasn't clear was whether states could voluntarily leave the Union, the Civil War did settle that question. The questions concerning federal power and state power were, most definitely, matters of debate. The earliest political parties in the United States arose out of those questions, between the Federalists and the Jeffersonian Democratic-Republicans, which eventually evolved into the Whig and Democratic Parties. The Federalists, generally, favored a strong central government; while the Jeffersonians favored a small central government in favor of more autonomy among the states. Unsurprisingly, then, the Democrats had increasingly more power and position among the southern slave states, as the position of state autonomy was in the interest of those resisting the abolition of slavery.

But, no, those who fought on the side of the Confederacy may have seen themselves as patriots; but they were as much traitors to the United States as the the independents who fought for independence against the British were traitors against the British Crown. Had the American War for Independence instead have resulted in a British victory over the rebelling colonies, it would be pretty strange to have statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, for example, in the middle of Boston and Philadelphia.

Or imagine just how insulting it'd be, had the Irish not won their independence, and to have statues of Oliver Cromwell in cities throughout Ireland, considering his whole conquer and kill all the Irish Catholics policy.

So, valid question, why have statues that

1) Glorify traitors and
2) Fought and shed blood for the cause of enslaving other human beings.

It's not just that they were traitors, they were traitors who made the choice to fight for the cause of slavery. Whether slavery was their reasons for fighting or not is immaterial, they had the choice of whether to fight or not to fight for those whose reason for seceding from the Union was because they were having a hissy fit that people wanted to stop them from having slaves. And so a confederation of traitorous states, fighting for the cause of owning people, made the decision to engage in a bloody and violent fight, costing countless lives, because of the fear that the election of Abraham Lincoln would mean them not getting to keep owning people.

And even beyond that, those statues were not erected immediately following the war, they were not erected to honor the dead or the fallen. They were erected many decades later in response to black people in America wanting to be treated like equal human beings, and so in response to the audacity of black people wanting basic human dignity, up came these statues, up came the "rebel flag", in comes the bringing back of the KKK, in comes Jim Crow.

These are not statues to remember history.
These are not statues to honor the fallen.
These are not statues to honor the dead.
These are statues to honor the institutions of slavery, racism, bigotry, and hatred of black people. That's why they were erected, that's why they are there, that's the point of them.

-CryptoLutheran

-CryptoLutheran

I Love History & Archaeology said:

Where is Eastasia? Do they have KKK members there? Your profile picture tells me that you probably don't like that hate group anyways. The question arises though. Is race really all that matters or are we all special in the eyes of the Lord regardless of skin color? I'd change your profile picture to Christian Lives Matter since we are all in the name of Christ. Jesus never focused on skin color, he just focused on the state of your soul and how to be closer to God's word. Some thoughts to consider. One tribe rising above another tribe makes another tribe oppressed which leads to that tribe trying to rise above the previous one. With Jesus we are all risen above ignorance and hatred and given eternal life. Unify with each other, not destroy each other.

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Oh, so it's not all lives matter, it's only Christian lives that matter now?

All lives matter....but Christian lives matter?
All lives matter....but blue lives matter?

Here's the thing, when the argument keeps circling back around to saying that all lives except black ones matter, I'm going to keep saying black lives matter.

Our God and King Jesus Christ told a story about a man who was beaten and left to die on the side of the road by bandits. The first two who walked by, saw the man, and said "all lives matter" and continued on their way, then a Samaritan came by, took the man to an inn, paid for his lodging and medical care.

So, tell you what, I'm going to keep serving Jesus Christ in this matter. You, I don't know, keep doing whatever it is you're doing.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

Oh, so it's not all lives matter, it's only Christian lives that matter now?

All lives matter....but Christian lives matter?
All lives matter....but blue lives matter?

Here's the thing, when the argument keeps circling back around to saying that all lives except black ones matter, I'm going to keep saying black lives matter.

Our God and King Jesus Christ told a story about a man who was beaten and left to die on the side of the road by bandits. The first two who walked by, saw the man, and said "all lives matter" and continued on their way, then a Samaritan came by, took the man to an inn, paid for his lodging and medical care.

So, tell you what, I'm going to keep serving Jesus Christ in this matter. You, I don't know, keep doing whatever it is you're doing.

-CryptoLutheran

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All lives matter. There is no exception. This includes black lives. It includes blue lives. It includes every life color imaginable. That is the unity of the nation. That is the purpose of living in America. You cannot build the nation up and only represent one race of people because then it won't be unified anymore. It will be unfair. Other races of people are here too. We are a melting pot of people from many backgrounds and religions. Why does the color black have to be more important than anyone else? It sounds selfish to me.

I'm Native American. Does my skin color matter more over yours? Does it matter more over anyone else's? It shouldn't. We are all equal in the eyes of Jesus. I have family members on reservations. It is not one single skin color that is to blame because blame spawns hatred and that is not what Jesus wants. I can easily blame white people for what they did to my family but I'm not. I'm a loving and forgiving Christian who loves everyone and I will let anyone in my door and who needs some rest and food. I encourage you to be the same. Because as I see you now, you will let in all of the black people that come at your door before you will let in the white ones. Hatred. Pure hatred. Pride as well leads to a big ego. You should not have that. I do not support BLM. One should not parade their skin color above everyone else's regardless of circumstances. I don't and look at my family. Lots of them are alcoholics living in trailers on reservations. I can easily take my hatred out on all white people imaginable but I am not. It's not their descendants that deserve the fault of this. It is their fathers and forefathers that did this to us that are long dead. Forgive, forget, move on.

I Love History & Archaeology said:

All lives matter. There is no exception. This includes black lives. It includes blue lives. It includes every life color imaginable. That is the unity of the nation. That is the purpose of living in America. You cannot build the nation up and only represent one race of people because then it won't be unified anymore. It will be unfair. Other races of people are here too. We are a melting pot of people from many backgrounds and religions. Why does the color black have to be more important than anyone else? It sounds selfish to me.

I'm Native American. Does my skin color matter over yours? Does it matter over anyone else's? It shouldn't. We are all equal in the eyes of Jesus. I have family members on reservations. It is not one single skin color that is to blame because blame spawns hatred and that is not what Jesus wants. I can easily blame white people for what they did to my family but I'm not. I'm a loving and forgiving Christian who loves everyone and I will let anyone in my door and who needs some rest and food. I encourage you to be the same. Because as I see you now, you will let in all of the black people that come at your door before you will let in the white ones. Hatred. Pure hatred. Pride as well leads to a big ego. You should not have that. I do not support BLM. One should not parade their skin color above everyone else's regardless of circumstances. I don't and look at my family. Lots of them are alcoholics living in trailers on reservations. I can easily take my hatred out on all white people imaginable but I am not. It's not their descendants that deserve the fault of this. It is their fathers and forefathers that did this to us that are long dead. Forgive, forget, move on.

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If your house is on fire, and you say, "Help, my house is on fire!" and I say to you, "All houses matter" and don't call the fire department or do anything to help you, that's fine right? After all, all houses matter, so why should your house be given any special treatment just because it's on fire and your kids are trapped inside.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

There was never a doubt that the United States was a single nation. What wasn't clear was whether states could voluntarily leave the Union, the Civil War did settle that question. The questions concerning federal power and state power were, most definitely, matters of debate. The earliest political parties in the United States arose out of those questions, between the Federalists and the Jeffersonian Democratic-Republicans, which eventually evolved into the Whig and Democratic Parties. The Federalists, generally, favored a strong central government; while the Jeffersonians favored a small central government in favor of more autonomy among the states. Unsurprisingly, then, the Democrats had increasingly more power and position among the southern slave states, as the position of state autonomy was in the interest of those resisting the abolition of slavery.

But, no, those who fought on the side of the Confederacy may have seen themselves as patriots; but they were as much traitors to the United States as the the independents who fought for independence against the British were traitors against the British Crown. Had the American War for Independence instead have resulted in a British victory over the rebelling colonies, it would be pretty strange to have statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, for example, in the middle of Boston and Philadelphia.

Or imagine just how insulting it'd be, had the Irish not won their independence, and to have statues of Oliver Cromwell in cities throughout Ireland, considering his whole conquer and kill all the Irish Catholics policy.

So, valid question, why have statues that

1) Glorify traitors and
2) Fought and shed blood for the cause of enslaving other human beings.

It's not just that they were traitors, they were traitors who made the choice to fight for the cause of slavery. Whether slavery was their reasons for fighting or not is immaterial, they had the choice of whether to fight or not to fight for those whose reason for seceding from the Union was because they were having a hissy fit that people wanted to stop them from having slaves. And so a confederation of traitorous states, fighting for the cause of owning people, made the decision to engage in a bloody and violent fight, costing countless lives, because of the fear that the election of Abraham Lincoln would mean them not getting to keep owning people.

And even beyond that, those statues were not erected immediately following the war, they were not erected to honor the dead or the fallen. They were erected many decades later in response to black people in America wanting to be treated like equal human beings, and so in response to the audacity of black people wanting basic human dignity, up came these statues, up came the "rebel flag", in comes the bringing back of the KKK, in comes Jim Crow.

These are not statues to remember history.
These are not statues to honor the fallen.
These are not statues to honor the dead.
These are statues to honor the institutions of slavery, racism, bigotry, and hatred of black people. That's why they were erected, that's why they are there, that's the point of them.

-CryptoLutheran

-CryptoLutheran

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When we've gotten to the point that we're talking about destroying images of Christ, it's become abundantly clear that this isn't, and never was, about slavery or who was in the right during the Civil War. As I've pointed out elsewhere, this is why the South no longer stands alone.

ViaCrucis said:

If your house is on fire, and you say, "Help, my house is on fire!" and I say to you, "All houses matter" and don't call the fire department or do anything to help you, that's fine right? After all, all houses matter, so why should your house be given any special treatment just because it's on fire and your kids are trapped inside.

-CryptoLutheran

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I've heard this house fire thing said many times before about BLM. It is not an accurate reflection. I can guarantee that you may have even copied and pasted it as well for me to see again. Any sensible person would call the fire department. You are acting though as if you are under attack and all alone because you are black. Did you know that it's 2020? There's flying drones around, 3D printers can make artificial hearts for people, flat screen TV's are as thin as smartphones, cars can drive themselves, there's artificial intelligence, and so many other wonderful things. We aren't in 1620 Jamestown where the blacks were imported and used as slaves. We are in the 21st century.

You are expecting sympathy for me and I could probably give it to you since you think that I should be in the same boat as you but I'm not. Stop blaming people. Take responsibility. I did. I could have been an alcoholic like my grandpa. He used to be so cheerful but now he's sad and upset because he's getting depressed. I could be like him but I am not. There can only be unity if there is unity in the people and I am the start of being unified with my people. I helped my mom find her happiness again, my sister, and my other brother. My dad I still need to work on. It can only be done through the hand of Jesus and Jesus only. I understand what you are going through but no one deserves special treatment. No one deserves reparations, no one deserves extra service, or whatever it is. I found myself. You can too. I don't need a crutch to feel better. The only thing that made me feel better was embracing my heritage and living it out in the best way possible. You know I had a church established on one of my families reservations and people go there now. You know what I did to get to where I am? By not blaming other people. I am not stooping to where you are. You have to find the strength yourself. And by me giving you sympathy, you will never improve. Improve yourself. That is what I learned. If black lives matter so much then why don't they care about their own lives as much as they say that it should matter? I see black on black crime a lot but no one talks about it. (this is another topic.) So why should I bend over backwards for you? I could easily apply the house fire thing you used to my people and act like I am all alone but I'm not. The unity is in the people. Be the unity if there is none and don't blame other people to use as a crutch to walk. Again, I didn't. You shouldn't either with white people. They didn't do anything. Their forefathers did but they are now dead. Their descendants did nothing.

ViaCrucis said:

If your house is on fire, and you say, "Help, my house is on fire!" and I say to you, "All houses matter" and don't call the fire department or do anything to help you, that's fine right? After all, all houses matter, so why should your house be given any special treatment just because it's on fire and your kids are trapped inside.

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Black Lives Matter doesn't care about anybody's life. The slogan is hypocritical and dishonest on its face. The purpose of Black Lives Matter is to intimidate police departments. That's it.

It doesn’t matter what race they are represented as long as we understand Christ in bodily form was Jewish. I do think however it is most appropriate to represent them as Jewish. But overall I don’t think it’s a problem. (I mean, look at my avatar!)
Destroying any art is troublesome and leads to cultural revolution like what happened in China and the former USSR.
However, I think Shaun King is a bunch of hot air.
He was a pastor, he should know better.
Shame.

ViaCrucis said:

There was never a doubt that the United States was a single nation.

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It was a federation of states in a Union. Those states (or commonwealths) were essentially nations, with their own legislature, executive, and judiciary.

Back then, people generally said "the United States are ..." rather than "the United States is ..." The question was how much independence these states (or commonwealths) had.

ViaCrucis said:

What wasn't clear was whether states could voluntarily leave the Union, the Civil War did settle that question.

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Not in any legal sense. That's why they decided not to try
Jefferson Davis for treason; he probably wasn't guilty of it.

Arc F1 said:

We are all getting ready to be tested. The love of many will grow cold. I know I'm having a hard time with all of what's going on and it's all I can do to keep from going off the deep end. My first thoughts tend to be wanting to take someone's head off and that's not how I should feel. As a Christian I know that's wrong but the test is really hard. We have to endure until the end. I'm going to have to get my mind away from the news for a while and start getting closer to God. I have to stop letting the hatred from others get to me. The path is narrow and I've got to stay on it.

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Amen. You are concisely describing my own back and forth battle. I am fully supporting of civil rights but I fear the violent direction this is going if it keeps up. Jesus is the author of peace and I've found myself full of so much anger, anxiety, and the like the past few months. I pray along with you for the strength to solely depend on the Holy Spirit. Why is it so easy to be fleshly and sinful? It's so frustrating. I pray God keeps the love alive in my heart and his Words in my mind!

I blocked out the name of the nut job who posted this tweet, lest he get traffic.

It couldn’t have been closer to “Pò sì jiù!… Down With The Four Olds!”

The tweet is the less eloquent contemporary version of a “big character poster”.



The twit who tweeted this has a page which says that his political party is Black Lives Matter. I didn’t know they were a political party now.

This is from the About page of the official site of Black Lives Matter:

Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.

I am not entirely sure how destroying religious art (which the property of others) “centers Black joy”. How does that create an “immediate improvement”?

Any person, anywhere, and really for any reason, sincere or not, could claim that is why he did X.

Also from that page:

We are working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise.

Big-business abortion, Planned Parenthood was created for the elimination of black lives. They exploite black lives in the worst ways possible.

Has Black Lives Matters denounced and attacked big-business abortion? I really don’t know.

From the Black Lives Matter “What We Believe” page:

We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.

We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.

We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.

We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.

Is that what we are seeing across the country? Are differences being celebrated? Arecommonalities being celebrated? Is freedom and justice for all people being promoted? How beautiful has Black Lives Matters been for the 1500 buildings destroyed or damaged in Minneapolis, including low-income housing? How restorative has it been for the people who owned those buildings? How are the immediateimprovements for those who lost their livelihood over night?

How about this?

We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

We foster a queer?affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).

I don’t have a clue about who wrote this, but I can’t grasp how “patriarchal” things can be when a huge percentage of families in this communities don’t have full-time, life committed fathers in their homes. I don’t know how much more disrupted the nuclear family structure could be. And … “comfortable”… what does that mean? Not having to overcome any obstacles?

“Queer-affirming”? “Homonormative thinking”?

This stuff is way out there.

Take a look at their “Co-Founders” page. HERE

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"But... but... the traditional ways are... are... toooo haaaard!" Wherein Fr. Z rants.

Albion said:

Which isn't the same as saying we are to destroy any image made by someone else.

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I don’t feel compelled to correct others or too destroy their personal property as a Christian. Chri

truefiction1 said:

The truth is, all earthly material is sanctified by God, Who officially joined Himself with it through the incarnation of God the Word. Artful depictions of Christ therefore are holy things, for the holy. Iconoclasm isn't holy. it's actually an attack against the significance of "the Word became flesh".

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You might want to read the book “Like a Mighty Wind”. It’s about the Indonesian revival began in the 60’s.

alan650 said:

Amen. You are concisely describing my own back and forth battle. I am fully supporting of civil rights but I fear the violent direction this is going if it keeps up. Jesus is the author of peace and I've found myself full of so much anger, anxiety, and the like the past few months. I pray along with you for the strength to solely depend on the Holy Spirit. Why is it so easy to be fleshly and sinful? It's so frustrating. I pray God keeps the love alive in my heart and his Words in my mind!

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Honestly, try too stop watching all media.

Al Masihi said:

That would also include your profile picture, and that would also include the Cherubim God commanded Moses to make in Exodus 25. Iconoclasm is not Biblical, it’s based on a heretical misinterpretation of the second commandment, and it contradicts the Bible and logic.

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It appears that you have a structured belief worked out over some period of time. If you seek The Truth, you will find It.