Shaun King Calls Jesus Statues & Images Are a Form of White Supremacy & Should Be Removed

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The Truth is that we are to make no graven image. That includes statues of Christ. As to the acerbic vitriol quoted, let Christ direct your path.
The truth is, all earthly material is sanctified by God, Who officially joined Himself with it through the incarnation of God the Word. Artful depictions of Christ therefore are holy things, for the holy. Iconoclasm isn't holy. it's actually an attack against the significance of "the Word became flesh".
 
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Good point, but it seems that he is also afflicted with the spirit of iconoclasm, which is the spirit of antichrist because iconoclasm essentially denies the sanctification of material things when God became flesh. Iconoclasm is a secret form of ancient gnosticism, which the holy Apostle John called antichrist in his letters.
I wouldn't say he is iconoclastic because he doesn't necessarily have an issue with images of Christ, but more images of Christ that depict him a certain way.
 
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I wouldn't say he is iconoclastic because he doesn't necessarily have an issue with images of Christ, but more images of Christ that depict him a certain way.
Perhaps, but I myself would refrain from attempting to use Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, to achieve my own sociopolitical ambitions. These things tend to always be motivated by lust for power of some sort, and therefore akin to Judas Iscariot's betrayal, if we understand it.
 
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We are all getting ready to be tested. The love of many will grow cold. I know I'm having a hard time with all of what's going on and it's all I can do to keep from going off the deep end.

I'm in a similar place. After the riots and looting I've had my fill. All I want is peace and quiet. I can't have this around me. It's toxic and soul numbing.

My first thoughts tend to be wanting to take someone's head off and that's not how I should feel.

I don't want to hurt anyone. But separation is a must. Focusing on my calling is my priority. Relating with the people He wants me to serve is my aim.

But the rest are at arm's length. I don't want woke rhetoric or associations. They swallowed I pill I can't digest. I wasn't directed to protest or immerse myself in politics and so on. I leave it to the ones He pointed in that direction.

~Bella
 
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Perhaps, but I myself would refrain from attempting to use Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, to achieve my own sociopolitical ambitions. These things tend to always be motivated by lust for power of some sort, and therefore akin to Judas Iscariot's betrayal, if we understand it.
Like making sure all images of Jesus portray him as a bond hair blue eyed man regardless of if tat image represents society as a whole?
 
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Middle easterners are white dude. Before the Mongol invasions the countries of the caucuses were also all Lily white and known as Circassians. Whether Georgia (really really white), Dagestan, Chechynya, Armenia are white. Anatolian Turks are mostly white they are,Islamized Greeks and Armenians hence why they are called Turk-ish and not Turkic. The people of the Levant are mostly white. The people on the island of Cyprus are all white.

Yeah, there isn't any evidence other than evidence against that in regards to early Palestine.
 
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Yeah, there isn't any evidence other than evidence against that in regards to early Palestine.
Here are the ancient synagogue frescoes is Dyro Europos in Syria. One the oldest synagogues in the world 200AD:
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Like making sure all images of Jesus portray him as a bond hair blue eyed man regardless of if tat image represents society as a whole?
Icons of Christ generally depict Him to resemble those who make them. When Asians make images of Him, He appears as an Asian Jesus. We do this because it reinforces the important truth that He has become truly one of us, as we are. After His resurrection his disciples often couldn't recognize Him at first, so frankly, who knows what He appears to be? He may appear different to different people in his glorified body.
 
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I agree. It certainly has in the past. Following Constantine was launched the greatest persecution the world has ever seen. The persecution of the pagans by the Christians.
Are you kidding? Constantine still held the title of Pontifex Maximus until the time of his death, there was no way for him to completely engage in open persecution of pagans in his time, the only thing he could do was slowly undermine paganism and transfer it’s power to Christianity and the Church. Organized persecution of pagans never happened during the reign of Constantine the Great, the only sort of negative thing that happened to paganism during his reign were certain temples being demolished to make room for churches and the slow withdrawal of the political support it once got from the Roman State. That’s nothing compared to what Diolectian was doing to Christians and Christian clergy in the last few years of his reign.
 
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The real point is black-americans need to get out more. Here is the fresco of Mary and Child in my church in NY. The people who painted all these murals were all European Lily white immigrants following the icon painting customs of their Lilly white ancestors:
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Now is a good time to consider the cost of the discipleship of Christ.
Amen, I agree. Now is the time to hold nothing back. Your on earth for one reason as a Christian, to help God save souls. Faith cometh by hearing, hearing the Word of God. Consider that the talents God gave you are for one reason. To witness to the truth. So I will use everything I have to fulfill the heart of God's will. God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to repentance.
 
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I'm in a similar place. After the riots and looting I've had my fill. All I want is peace and quiet. I can't have this around me. It's toxic and soul numbing.



I don't want to hurt anyone. But separation is a must. Focusing on my calling is my priority. Relating with the people He wants me to serve is my aim.

But the rest are at arm's length. I don't want woke rhetoric or associations. They swallowed I pill I can't digest. I wasn't directed to protest or immerse myself in politics and so on. I leave it to the ones He pointed in that direction.

~Bella
I totally agree. We have to engage this with a sense of humility, at the same time standing firm for Christ.
 
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We don't have statues in the Coptic Orthodox tradition, but no, of course not. If it is somehow magically wrong for Europeans to make European images of Christ and the saints (leaving aside the statues v. icons v. nothing debate that I don't wanna have), then wouldn't it be just as wrong for Africans to make African images of Christ (there are plenty, if people like Mr. King would bother to look), Middle Easterners to make Middle Eastern images of Christ (ditto), Asians to make Asian images of Christ, etc.? Or is it just wrong because it's Europeans making them, and it's somehow wrong to be European because of slavery?

This crap has go to stop, and the sooner the better. If you personally want to remain historically ignorant to the point of attempting to rebirth iconoclasm for supposedly 'anti-racist' purposes, that's your business, but painting it like that's the socially responsible, progressive thing to do is just gross. It's not progressive to deny a continent full of people their right to depict Jesus and the saints in a manner that nativizes them in their culture just because the people making the depictions are a skin color that makes you hate them and/or the 'system' you say the art represents. What it represents to you is clearly not what it represents to them...or do you think that the people with pictures of 'white Jesus' are worshiping an actual slave driver?

Idiots! :doh:
I have seen Copts using Latin statues more nowadays in Churches, I like both statues and Icons myself. I don’t know what this obsession with Europeans and slavery is, the biggest and worst slave trade in the world didn’t even happen in Europe, infact there are still countries with human trafficking and slaves, such as Mauritania where slavery is still a thing and in Sudan where you can still find children working on farms against their will as private property. Iconoclasm literally breeds barbarism, we all know what certain Byzantine Emperors did to people who venerated Icons, or what Muslims have done and still do to statues and icons they get their hands on.
 
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Sort of like when Malcolm X traveled and found out the white world didn't begin in the UK and end in Italy.
Supposedly he gave up the notion of black supremacism and racism towards Europeans or Americans with European origin when he went on Hajj or when he visited the Arab world.
 
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The Truth is that we are to make no graven image. That includes statues of Christ. As to the acerbic vitriol quoted, let Christ direct your path.
That would also include your profile picture, and that would also include the Cherubim God commanded Moses to make in Exodus 25. Iconoclasm is not Biblical, it’s based on a heretical misinterpretation of the second commandment, and it contradicts the Bible and logic.
 
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They weren't white either. Why make Jesus white especially in most countries that ended up getting colonized by western countries?
We were white before getting colonized by France or the Turks.
 
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I would rather that we do two things:

1) Be clear that no, Jesus wasn't a white-skinned European, this is true. He was a brown-skinned Middle-Eastern Jew.

2) Images of Christ, the saints, and of angels have always reflected the ethnic group making those images, Christian iconography has never been "paleoart", that is reconstructing what those depicted literally looked like (because in almost all cases we just don't know); rather--and especially in the case of Jesus--the point has always been that God became man, and that means that God was one of us, a human being, God made part of human history and part of the human family. That diversity of depiction in churches around the world and throughout history has always been about Christ the Incarnate God-Man. Not Christ the white man, not Christ the black man, not Christ the [insert here], but Christ our God made flesh.

When and where abuses have been done by European and European-descended Christians employing racist and racialist ideologies and tropes to subjugate indigenous peoples and peoples of color; and where Christian symbols have been used toward this end, we should rightly address these. Calling for acts of sacrilege against an entire religion is not doing that.

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Are you kidding? Constantine still held the title of Pontifex Maximus until the time of his death, there was no way for him to completely engage in open persecution of pagans in his time, the only thing he could do was slowly undermine paganism and transfer it’s power to Christianity and the Church. Organized persecution of pagans never happened during the reign of Constantine the Great, the only sort of negative thing that happened to paganism during his reign were certain temples being demolished to make room for churches and the slow withdrawal of the political support it once got from the Roman State. That’s nothing compared to what Diolectian was doing to Christians and Christian clergy in the last few years of his reign.

324 --- Emperor Constantine declares Christianity the only official religion of the Roman Empire. At Dydima, Asia Minor, he sacks the Oracle of God Apollo and tortures its Pagan priests to death. He evicts the Gentiles from Mt. Athos and destroys all local Hellenic Temples.

326 --- Emperor Constantine, following the instructions of his mother Helen, destroys the Temple of the God Asclepius in Aigeai of Cilicia and many Temples of the Goddess Aphrodite in Jerusalem, Aphaca, Mambre, Phoenice, Baalbek, etc.

330 --- Constantine steals the treasures and statues of the Pagan Temples in Greece to decorate Nova Roma (Constantinople), the new capital of his Empire.

335 --- Constantine sacks many Pagan Temples of Asia Minor and Palestine and orders the execution by crucifixion of “all magicians and soothsayers". Martyrdom of the neoplatonist philosopher Sopatros.

After this it got worse --- far worse.
 
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324 --- Emperor Constantine declares Christianity the only official religion of the Roman Empire.

Citation needed.

Because last time I checked it was Theodosius who made Christianity the official, and only official, religion of the Roman Empire, with the Edict of Thessalonica in the year 380.

If there's evidence of Constantine having done so earlier, I would be interested in knowing about it as a student of said history.

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