LDS What major translation problems do LDS see in the Bible?
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He is the way
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That is because the Bible does not say faith ALONE or grace ALONE, but it does say bread ALONE:
(New Testament | Matthew 4:4)
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
(New Testament | Hebrews 5:8 - 9)
8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
(New Testament | 2 Timothy 3:13 - 17)
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
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All have sinned and come short of the glory of God:
(New Testament | Romans 3:23)
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
That is why we need to repent, be baptized and thereafter sin no more:
(New Testament | Romans 6:1 - 16)
1 WHAT shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
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We do not do these things to merit salvation. Why must you continue to dwell on Mormons have to earn or merit? We believe those good works are because of the new person in Christ that leads us to do good works that Jesus has ordained that we should do.
Remember Ephesians 2:10:
Ephesians 2:10 King James Version (KJV)
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
We do good works for our love of God. Because we give about equal time to good works as we give to grace, I am sure you have heard a member of the Church of Jesus Christ declare how important it is to do good works and through our good works we prove our worthiness for the great blessing we receive from God, even his grace.
But know this, that grace is given to enhance our journey towards God and to give us reasons to do works of love for Him. Grace and works, work hand in hand. If you don't know this then you will find out just how important they work together.
It is like this. All men are given life immortal by the atonement and grace of Christ. All men will be in heaven. But according to your good works, you position yourself in the mansion you wish to occupy. Some will do many good works and will be closer to Jesus and God. Some will do some, and will be further away from God and Jesus. Some will do none and will be far away from God and Jesus.
The grace of Jesus gets you in. You good works gets you close. They work hand in hand, like a glove.
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There is only 1 verse in the bible that talks about 'faith alone', here it is:
James 2:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone
There is no scripture that talks about grace alone.
So this concept must have come from somewhere else other than the bible.
Remember that grace and faith and works, work hand in hand in your reward of heaven.
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I agree with you and with @He is the way on this point. Both of you quoted abundantly from the Bible. In the Bible we also read:
Heb 12:14 Pursue peace with everyone, and holiness, for without it no one will see the Lord.
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I believe there is only one God. Early Christians rejected the idea that Christ is God the Father, for good reasons. At the same time they affirmed that Christ is God, for good reasons. And they had to discuss this dichotomy over centuries. Mormons misunderstand the nature of the one God. Their God is an exalted human being of the same essence / nature like us!!
I'm not sure if they believe in a different Gospel. I still need convincing about this. I've never been a Mormon myself. There is a ton of errors in their theology. But I'm not sure it's a different Gospel. You probably studied their doctrine better than me.
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We believe in the God of the Bible who is one with the Father in glory and perfection:
(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
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The problem with LDS theology is with who they consider God the Father to be. is. For they believe He was once a man, as we are, that He had a Father and He had a Father on down for eons, so essentially, there are untold numbers of Gods out there. The Father worked His way to become a God OF THIS PLANET. He is not the only God of the entire universe. They do not believe that Jesus created everything from nothing, there has always been matter, He just moves it around. They believe we existed before being born as products of The Father and one of His wives. We are eternal spirit children, thus qualify as Gods to begin with. They believe that the Fall had to happen in order for Adam and Eve to have had children and celebrate this through a "sacred" ceremony where essentially they are grateful to Satan for the fall! They, of course, deny they edify Satan, it is still essentially what they do by this belief. That God the Father was once a man, means that we, too, can become God---just as He did. Yes, they believe in the bible---as long as it does not contradict the writings of JS, where there is a contradiction, JS is right, not the bible, for he has the truth. Any way you want to slice this---this is not the same God as the Christian God. Did Jesus die for our sins? Yes, sort of, He also came to this earth to become fully God, to become "perfected" through His obedience to the Father, so in a very subtle way, He came to save Himself! For He was also a spirit child of God and one of His wives, thus He is also brother to Satan, not the creator of Satan. They have various ways of disguising these believes by using words that sound Christian, but, when you strip away all the "Christianese"---this is what they believe.
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You said: "He came to save Himself! For He was also a spirit child of God and one of His wives, thus He is also brother to Satan, not the creator of Satan."
Why do you say "one of His wives"? We do not say God has more than one wife.
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Not that He definitely had more than one wife, but you have indeed said there could have been more than one, after all, we are to do as He did and that was one reason why man could have more than one. Only one objection??
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They hold to there being 3 Gods, and that Gid was once a mortal like us who evolved to being God, and Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers!
They also held, at least one of their Prophets did, to Adam having sexual relationship with Mary and Jesus resulted...
Not Christianity!
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You did not answer where did you get the idea that it is by "faith alone" or "grace alone"? These sayings are not in the bible? Where did you come up with these sayings?
Like I say, the only time in the bible that 'faith' and 'alone' are in the same verse is:
James 2:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone
So who is teaching a different gospel?
The Church of Jesus Christ does not have a different God than mainstream Christians. We do think differently about the one God, that is sure, but the 3500 Christian churches all have a different twist on who God is and what they understand about him, as do all other non-Christian religions.
The whole world is searching for the one God in their own ways, and there will come a time when the one God will be known and then all that will matter is: did you do what He asked you to do? So receive Jesus's grace and do the works that he has before ordained for you to do. (Ephesians 2:10)
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Well we do know that over 50% of those widowed or divorced get remarried.We can deduct that many women have had more than one husband and visa versa. Plural marriage dates back to Adam and is still being done today in some countries. So while God could have had more than one wife, we don't know whether He did or not. So your statement is not a fair statement. Neither is your statement about being grateful to Satan. We believe that the fall was necessary because it was. However Satan has lead away lots of people and there is no way we are grateful for that. The Bible does not contradict the writings of Joseph Smith. It does contradict the philosophies of man.
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