The kingdom of heaven

5thKingdom said:

And Satan is "bound" for 1000 years when the Lord Returns?

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During that time swords will be beat into plowshares. And men will learn war no more.

5thKingdom said:

1Co 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have
delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when
he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

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At the end of this present earth. In Revelation 20:14.

5thKingdom said:

So tell me Dougg.. if Satan was NOT "bound" at the Cross
WHEN is he "bound" and WHEN is he "loosened"?

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Satan will be bound in chains and cast into the bottomless pit, the day Jesus returns. Then the millennium begins. After the thousand years expire, Satan is loosed out of his prison, for a little season (Revelation 20:3)

Douggg said:

Satan was not bound at the cross. He goes about as a roaring lion seeking who he can destroy.

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Of course the Reformed Churches and the Orthodox Protestant
churches have taught that Satan being "bound" simply means
that he can no longer stop God's salvation plan to "seek and save"
all the lost sheep. The Great Commission occurred WHEN Satan
did not have any dominion in Heaven or earth (because Jesus did)


Mat 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in
the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded
you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.
Amen.


But what do Reformed churches and Orthodox Protestant churches
know when DOUGG says Satan was NOT "bound" at the Cross...
And what does it matter what JESUS says?



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5thKingdom said:

But what do Reformed churches and Orthodox Protestant churches
know when DOUGG says Satan was NOT "bound" at the Cross...

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They should make a timeline chart as well of the 7year 70th week, of the major events in Revelation and other endtimes prophecies passages..

Douggg said:

Satan will be bound in chains and cast into the bottomless pit, the day Jesus returns. Then the millennium begins. After the thousand years expire, Satan is loosed out of his prison, for a little season (Revelation 20:3)

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The Bible teaches the Eternal "Kingdom of God" BEGINS
when Jesus Returns AFTER the destruction of the Fourth Beast...
but you say Satan and unsaved men are in that Eternal Kingdom
for 1000 years men SIN within the Eternal Kingdom... WOW


Notice Daniel 7:21 the Ancient of Days comes
at the destruction of the Fourth Beast and there
is no flesh and blood OR SIN in the Eternal Kingdom.


Dan 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the
time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Notice Daniel 7:9-10 says the Ancient of Days comes
when the Fourth Beast is destroyed... and the books
are opened for Judgment... There is no flesh and blood
OR SIN in the Eternal Kingdom.


Dan 7:9-10
I beheld till the thrones were cast down,
and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white
as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne
was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery
stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand
thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times
ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set,
and the books were opened.


Notice Daniel 7:17-18 says the Eternal Kingdom BEGINS
when the Last Saints "possess the kingdom" after the
Fourth Beast is destoryed. There is no flesh and blood
OR SIN in the Eternal Kingdom.


Dan 7:17-18
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the
most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom
for ever, even for ever and ever.


Notice Daniel 7:13-14 says the Son of Man and the
Ancient of Days come to establish the Eternal Kingdom
when the Fourth Beast is destroyed. There is no
flesh and blood OR SIN in the Eternal Kingdom.


Dan 7:13-14
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man
came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that
which shall not be destroyed.


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Douggg said:

They should make a timeline chart as well of the 7year 70th week, of the major events in Revelation and other endtimes prophecies passages..

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You should explain HOW Satan and sinful men exist in the
Kingdom of God that is established when the Fourth Beast
is destroyed.

You should explain Rev 9:1...
How is Satan "loosened" at the BEGINNING of the Revelation Beast
when YOU SAY he is not "bound" until the END of the Beast?

You cannot have it BOTH WAYS Dougg...

Was Satan "loosened" at the BEGINNING of the Revelation Beast
[as Rev 9:1 clearly says] or was he "bound" at the END of the
Revelation Beast (as you pretend)?

It cannot be BOTH Dougg...
Either the Bible is wrong or YOU are wrong...
Which is it?


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5thKingdom said:

The Bible teaches the Eternal "Kingdom of God" BEGINS
when Jesus Returns AFTER the destruction of the Fourth Beast...
but you say Satan and unsaved men are in that Eternal Kingdom
for 1000 years men SIN within the Eternal Kingdom... WOW

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No, I did not. Satan will be in the bottomless pit during the 1000 years.

There will be unsaved persons present on the earth during the 1000 years.
Which is why Jesus rules with a rod of iron.

There will not be sinners in the New Heaven and New Earth.

5thKingdom said:

You should explain HOW Satan and sinful men exist in the
Kingdom of God that is established when the Fourth Beast
is destroyed.

You should explain Rev 9:1...
How is Satan "loosened" at the BEGINNING of the Revelation Beast
when YOU SAY he is not "bound" until the END of the Beast?

You cannot have it BOTH WAYS Dougg...

Was Satan "loosened" at the BEGINNING of the Revelation Beast
[as Rev 9:1 clearly says] or was he "bound" at the END of the
Revelation Beast (as you pretend)?

It cannot be BOTH Dougg...
Either the Bible is wrong or YOU are wrong...
Which is it?


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You are being logically incoherent.

You need to make a timeline chart, including Jesus return in Revelation 19:19-21, and the thousand years. and Satan released from his prison for a short season, and the Great White Thorn Judgment, and the New Heaven and New Earth.

Douggg said:

They should make a timeline chart as well of the 7year 70th week, of the major events in Revelation and other endtimes prophecies passages..

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Here is the Biblical "timeline"

(1) Satan is "bound" at the Cross

(2) During his "binding" Christ has "All power in heaven and earth"
and sends his disciples to "seek and save" all the lost sheep.

Mat 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in
the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded
you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.
Amen.

(3) When all the sheep have been found, when the "testimony"
of the Great Commission is "finished" then Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit to START the Revelation Beast
[Rev 9:1]

(4) When the Fourth Beast is destroyed the Eternal Kingdom
begins and Satan, and his demons and all the unsaved in the
world are "cast alive into the Lake of Fire"

(5) Flesh and blood cannot enter the "Kingdom of God"
and NO SIN can enter into the "Kingdom of God"... so that
means Satan and sinful men cannot be in the Eternal Kingdom

(6) When the Lord Returns the resurrection occurs and all
living saints are change in "the twinkling of an eye" and all
the unsaved are thrown into the Lake of Fire along with
Satan and Death.


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Douggg said:

You need to make a timeline chart, including Jesus return in Revelation 19:19-21,

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Jesus Return is shown in Rev 11 and Rev 18 and Rev 19...
WHY do you NOT want to talk about Rev 11 and Rev 18?

BTW... do you even KNOW what the Third Woe is
that happens AFTER the Lord Returns?

Rev 11:11-14
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God
entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and
great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a
great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither.
And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies
beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake,
and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and
gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past;
and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.



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It will be a dreadful day for sinners when Christ returns with 10,000 saints. Jude 1:14 Genesis 5:24

Douggg said:

There will be unsaved persons present on the earth during
the 1000 years. Which is why Jesus rules with a rod of iron.

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Dougg... if the 1000 years happens AFTER the Beast
is destroyed... then unsaved men will be in the
ETERNAL "Kingdom of God"... doe the Bible
say that (no it does not)


Dan 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the
time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Notice Daniel 7:9-10 says the Ancient of Days comes
when the Fourth Beast is destroyed... and the books
are opened for Judgment... There is no flesh and blood
OR SIN in the Eternal Kingdom.


Dan 7:9-10
I beheld till the thrones were cast down,
and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white
as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne
was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery
stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand
thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times
ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set,
and the books were opened.


Notice Daniel 7:17-18 says the Eternal Kingdom BEGINS
when the Last Saints "possess the kingdom" after the
Fourth Beast is destoryed. There is no flesh and blood
OR SIN in the Eternal Kingdom.


Dan 7:17-18
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the
most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom
for ever, even for ever and ever.


Notice Daniel 7:13-14 says the Son of Man and the
Ancient of Days come to establish the Eternal Kingdom
when the Fourth Beast is destroyed. There is no
flesh and blood OR SIN in the Eternal Kingdom.


Dan 7:13-14
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man
came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that
which shall not be destroyed.




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5thKingdom said:

Jesus Return is shown in Rev 11 and Rev 18 and Rev 19...
WHY do you NOT want to talk about Rev 11 and Rev 18?

BTW... do you even KNOW what the Third Woe is
that happens AFTER the Lord Returns?

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Jesus's return is not in Revelation 11, nor in Revelation 18.

The third woe in on my timeline chart in the middle part.

Victor in Christ said:

It will be a dreadful day for sinners when Christ returns with 10,000 saints. Jude 1:14 Genesis 5:24

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But you said there is a 1000 year "golden age"
after the Lord Returns... which is it?
Judgment or a golden age?


Notice Daniel 7:9-10 says the Ancient of Days comes
when the Fourth Beast is destroyed... and the books
are opened for Judgment... There is no flesh and blood
OR SIN in the Eternal Kingdom.


Dan 7:9-10
I beheld till the thrones were cast down,
and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white
as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne
was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery
stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand
thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times
ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set,
and the books were opened


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Douggg said:

Jesus's return is not in Revelation 11, nor in Revelation 18.
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Yes it is... can you not FIND it in Scripture?

5thKingdom said:

Yes it is... can you not FIND it in Scripture?

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I am pretty sure I know how you are misinterpreting Revelation 11. I have had the argument, maybe a million times. But I don't know how you are misinterpreting Revelation 18.

5thKingdom said:

But you said there is a 1000 year "golden age"
after the Lord Returns... which is it?
Judgment or a golden age?

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I believe Christ will come with a rod of Iron and with 10,000 saints to judge the ungodly Jude 1:15 and then i believe there's the 1000 year reign of Christ on Earth.

Douggg said:

Jesus's return is not in Revelation 11, nor in Revelation 18.

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Your "timeline" only reflects your confusion... nothing more.

You cannot get by the fact that YOU SAY the Revelation Beast
happens BEFORE Satan is "bound" when the BIBLE SAY Satan
is "loosened" at the START of the Revelation Beast.


Rev 9:1-2
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven
unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out
of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and
the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.


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Victor in Christ said:

I believe Christ will come with a rod of Iron and with 10,000 saints to judge the ungodly Jude 1:15 and then i believe there's the 1000 year reign of Christ on Earth.

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Thanks for being a new voice in this thread.

Victor in Christ said:

I believe Christ will come with a rod of Iron and with 10,000 saints to judge the ungodly Jude 1:15 and then i believe there's the 1000 year reign of Christ on Earth.

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So you believe there is a 1000 years of SINNERS in the
Eternal "Kingdom of God"?

Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers,
and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth
and maketh a lie.



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5thKingdom said:

Your "timeline" only reflects your confusion... nothing more.

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5thKingdom said:

You cannot get by the fact that YOU SAY the Revelation Beast
happens BEFORE Satan is "bound" when the BIBLE SAY Satan
is "loosened" at the START of the Revelation Beast.


Rev 9:1-2
And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven
unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out
of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and
the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.

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Who do you think is the star fall from heaven unto the earth?