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Not once as the parable of the fig tree generation, even at the door. Matthew 24:15-30 is end times. Mt. of Olives has not been split in half - in Zechariah 14:4 - by Jesus at his second coming. Just admit it and we will be done with this argument, so you can become a futurist again.

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Why do you think that the mount of olive must be literally split in half, while you do not accept what Peter said about "this" being the fulfillment of the last days or Jesus's words?

It seems to me that the only thing you accept from the New Testament is Jesus'parable of the fig tree (no idea why, because it does not contradict other words of Jesus) and Revelation, because its so encryptic that you can use your fantasy to fit it to modern times.
 
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Why do you think that the mount of olive must be literally split in half, while you do not accept what Peter said about "this" being the fulfillment of the last days or Jesus's words?

First,can you admit that the Mt of Olives has not been split in half?

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

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Secondly, regarding the disciples referring to their time as these last days....

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First,can you admit that the Mt of Olives has not been split in half?
I cannot, I was not there in the first century. I have heard that Romans built a road in half of it in the first century so its split in half by it.

But the hyperbolic language of prophecies is obvious - sun, moon, stars, new heavens and earth etc are idioms, why not mountain? We must be consistent.

Can you admit that the first century was "the last days" prophecised by the prophet Joel?
 
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The eschatology taken solely from the Old Testament will lead to Jewish understanding of the last days - to be literal, physical.

When we take the eschatology and explanations of the New Testament, then the picture is very different. I go with the second, you with the first, obviously.
 
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Did the Lord fight against the nations in 70 AD, and the nations won?

12 And this shall be the overthrow with which the Lord will smite all the nations, as many as have fought against Jerusalem; their flesh shall consume away while they are standing upon their feet, and their eyes shall melt out of their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

In AD 79, the mount of Vesuvius erupted and destroyed the cities of Pompeii, Herculaneum, Stabiae and Oplontis. The destruction of Pompeii became so legendary that its talked about even today.

Lava and hot ash did exactly what is prophecised in the verse. They died in seconds, while "still standing".

What a coincidence...?
 
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Yes, as in preterism.....but what was truly fulfilled in 70 AD wasn't His second coming....per se..it was the fulfillment of the "coming of the Son of Man in His kingdom". He was revealed from *heaven* in His glory.

As the Benson commentary (amongst others) puts it:

...until the Son of man shall come — To destroy their capital city, temple, and nation. The destruction of Jerusalem by Titus is often called the coming of the Son of man. See Matthew 24:27; Matthew 24:37; Matthew 24:39; Matthew 24:44; Luke 18:5.

Read more at: The Coming Kingdom of the Son of Man | That Ancient Faith
https://www.thatancientfaith.uk/hom...log_copypaste&utm_campaign=blog_social_sharer

I dont believe the Day of the Lord only affects Jerusalem. I certainly do not believe Jesus second coming already happened. There are too many scriptures refuting that theory.

To me, its not even debatable.
 
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Not once as the parable of the fig tree generation, even at the door. Matthew 24:15-30 is end times. Mt. of Olives has not been split in half - in Zechariah 14:4 - by Jesus at his second coming. Just admit it and we will be done with this argument, so you can become a futurist again.

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I agree. Beware anyone tells you Jesus second coming already happened. Severe warnings in scripture of anyone telling you that. Its error the size of Texas.

2 Timothy 2.17-18
Their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
WHO CONCERNING THE TRUTH HAVE ERRED, saying the RESURRECTION IS PAST ALREADY; and overthrow the faith of some.
 
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I'm guessing you missed the point of this thread.
It appears you believe the beast rules the world and the mark will be distributed throughout the world.

If that's so then why can't the beast leave his country to kill the woman? How does the rest of the world help her and feed her if the beast rules the world?

Revelation 12:14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle to fly from the presence of the serpent to her place in the wilderness, where she was nourished for a time, and times, and half a time.

Revelation 12:16 But the earth helped the woman and opened its mouth to swallow up the river that had poured from the dragon's mouth.

She didn't have to go very far to be out of his reach.

Well teh dragon and serpent are terms for Satan! The Antichrists father. The woman is Israel and she flees to petra in the transJOrdanian desert where God cares for the nation for 3 1/2 years. Teh commander in chief usuaaly does not go to battle with his armies but entrusts the fight to his generals.
 
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Well teh dragon and serpent are terms for Satan! The Antichrists father. The woman is Israel and she flees to petra in the transJOrdanian desert where God cares for the nation for 3 1/2 years. Teh commander in chief usuaaly does not go to battle with his armies but entrusts the fight to his generals.

Oh I get it, Jordan will think Israel is tourests and let them stay there. That's really nice of Jordan but won't it be kinds cramped there. I mean there's about 9 million people in Israel and room enough for 100 at petra.
 
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Oh I get it, Jordan will think Israel is tourests and let them stay there. That's really nice of Jordan but won't it be kinds cramped there. I mean there's about 9 million people in Israel and room enough for 100 at petra.

Well those are current events and statistics. Petra can hold tens of thousands of visitors just standing gawking at teh buildings that are huge rooms carved out of rock! Doesn't matter what todays events look like, just that the Bible will say it will happen. Many covenant theologians and allegorists all mocked when dispensationalists started teaching that one day Israel would become a nation again and Jews would flock back to Israel as the word literally says. Well that is history now! They mocked when God said the desert would bloom like a rose! Well that is history now as well!

Don't let today's events color you rthinking on what the Word says will happen.
 
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Well those are current events and statistics. Petra can hold tens of thousands of visitors just standing gawking at teh buildings that are huge rooms carved out of rock! Doesn't matter what todays events look like, just that the Bible will say it will happen. Many covenant theologians and allegorists all mocked when dispensationalists started teaching that one day Israel would become a nation again and Jews would flock back to Israel as the word literally says. Well that is history now! They mocked when God said the desert would bloom like a rose! Well that is history now as well!

Don't let today's events color you rthinking on what the Word says will happen.

Well, I'm just glad the beast does not control the world. If he can't control what's going on in Jordan then I'm safe.
 
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Well those are current events and statistics. Petra can hold tens of thousands of visitors just standing gawking at teh buildings that are huge rooms carved out of rock!
Actually; Not.
The idea of a refuge in Petra, is only in the guesswork of those who have never been there. I have and it is not a big place, just a wadi with some small dwellings and temples carved out of the rock walls. It is totally dry and very hot there.

The Jewish Christian escape, was in 70 AD, when they went to Pella, North of Jerusalem. Today, the Jesus rejecting Jews are prophesied to face the Lord fiery wrath and only a remnant will survive. Isaiah 6:11-13, Romans 9:27
 
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i don;t think much of revelation is to be taken literaly- city may not be literal. although it could be, i guess. maybe those who follow the antichrist will live in that one city (if it is literal?)

The city is Jerusalem. It was antichrist 2000 years ago and it's antichrist now.
 
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Not once as the parable of the fig tree generation, even at the door. Matthew 24:15-30 is end times. Mt. of Olives has not been split in half - in Zechariah 14:4 - by Jesus at his second coming. Just admit it and we will be done with this argument, so you can become a futurist again.

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Amen. We know he is coming.

They say the mention of SUN MOON and STARS in Matthew 24 isnt literal, yet notice NO OTHER verses there are an idiom or allegory!

. False prophets will arise (no idiom)
. Nation against nation (no idiom)
. Deliver you to prison (no idiom)
. Betrayal (no idiom)
. Abomination of desolation (no idiom)
. Flee (no idiom)
. Great tribulation (no idiom)

Suddenly the next few verses are only idioms regarding sun moon stars and his return? No way because.......NONE were idioms there......

This same gentleman posted in another forum he didnt believe the Garden of Eden account was real, rather he believes it was MYTHOLOGY.



Paul and Peter both taught there will be a LITERAL second coming. If anyone understood the OT scriptures, they did. They say......

Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at THAT DAY: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love HIS APPEARING. 2 Tim 4.8

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts saying, WHERE IS THE PROMISE OF HIS COMING? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 2 Peter 3.3

That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the APPEARING of our Lord Jesus Christ: 1 Tim 6.14

I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead AT HIS APPEARING and his kingdom; 2 Tim 4.1

Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his APPEARING. 2 Tim 4.8

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious APPEARING of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. Titus 2.13

That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the APPEARING of Jesus Christ: 1 Peter 1.7

Thats why I love the Word, its very clear.
 
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