The kingdom of heaven

Dave L said:

Forever? Peter says the whole world will explode in fire.

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You fail to read and understand the Prophesies that vividly describe the Lords punishment of the nations by fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. It is only a one day event and is mainly directed at the Middle east. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Psalms 83
The rest of the world will dive for shelter and most will survive. A OWG will be formed, but we Christians will go to live in the then; cleared and cleansed holy Land.

The New earth does not come until after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7

keras said:

You fail to read and understand the Prophesies that vividly describe the Lords punishment of the nations by fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. It is only a one day event and is mainly directed at the Middle east. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Psalms 83
The rest of the world will dive for shelter and most will survive. A OWG will be formed, but we Christians will go to live in the then; cleared and cleansed holy Land.

The New earth does not come until after the Millennium. Revelation 21:1-7

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There is no millennium. And Peter says "forever" to the carnal mind ends in flames. It is what "forever" physically represents to the spiritual mind that continues forever.

shilohsfoal said:

Have you ever read the book of Revelation?it talks about the earth being destroyed but it also talks about it being new. It's like it was with the flood. Th e earth was destroyed by water. Everyone and everything destroyed except those who God wouldn't destroy. They remained on the earth and it was like new. That's how it works.

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But physical Canaan is destroyed, not eternal.

shilohsfoal said:

No its not. Gog is destroyed in Canaan. All the armies that Invade Canaan with Gog are destroyed but not Canann. People will by burying those bodies for a long time but those people will still be living in Canaan.

You just dont believe God.
I believe Ezekiel gave the best account of Israel after the earth is destroyed by fire. It turns out beautiful with a river of living water flowing to the dead sea.

You don't read the Bible much do you Dave.

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You need to read your bible according to Jesus. He blinded the Pharisees so they could not understand. And you agree with them in most things?

shilohsfoal said:

I obviously read my Bible more than you.
I believe like Jesus that the meek will inherit the earth.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

You believe you shall ascend into the heaven like Lucifer believes.

Isaiah 14:13 You said in your heart: "I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mount of assembly, in the far reaches of the north.

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So it's the "fastest gun in the west" bible shootout?

shilohsfoal said:

Isaiah 14:13 You said in your heart: "I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mount of assembly, in the far reaches of the north.

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Who do you think did this?

Tone said:

In what way did all "Christians" follow Harold Camping?

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The context of the Great Tribulation was NOT "all Christians".
The context is clearly ONLY the "ten virgins" [Mat 25] and
ONLY the ten "kings/horns" [Dan 7 and Rev 17] and
ONLY the ten "kings" [Dan 2:44]


When the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" began, the context
was not ALL JEWS... it was only the Jews "harvested" into
the Kingdom (and later the Gentiles)


Joh 4:34-35
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that
sent me, and to finish his work. Say not ye, There are yet
four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto
you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they
are white already to harvest.


Likewise with the "harvest" of people into the Fourth Kingdom.
It was ONLY the ten "virgins/kings/horns". Those in Catholic
churches did not SEE the event happening and those in apostate
Protestant churches did not either. The goal of Satan during
his "Little Season" was not to go after those already in his
Kingdom (of Babylon) but to go after the Last Saints.


Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to
make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of
Jesus Christ.


Rev 11:7
And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast
that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war
against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.


Dan 7:8
I considered the [ten] horns, and, behold, there came up
among them another little horn [the Anti-Christ], before whom
there were three of the first horns [wise virgins] plucked up by
the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of
man, and a mouth speaking great things.


Just as the one-third during the first four Trumpets [Rev 8]
represented the Last Saints, so also the "three horns"
represent the Last "wheat" but not the "tares".

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shilohsfoal said:

I believe like Jesus that the meek inherit the earth.

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Does that include the "meek" Moslems and Buddhists
and Hindus and Atheists and Agnostics and Humanists
and Pagans, etc?

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shilohsfoal said:

I believe like Jesus that the meek inherit the earth.
Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
You believe like Lucifer that you will axcend into the heavens.
Isaiah 14:13 You said in your heart: "I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God. I will sit on the mount of assembly, in the far reaches of the north.

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The passage is not about Satan.

Douggg said:

There is only one Kingdom of Heaven.

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If you believe there is only ONE "Kingdom of Heaven" then
you are contradicting the Lord Jesus Christ (not me)

Are you aware that Jesus specifically NAMED
four separate and distinct "Kingdoms of Heaven"
on earth?

In Mat 22:2 Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 13 (in 8 verses) Jesus specifically NAMES
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 25:1 Jesus specifically NAMES the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"

Now, I realize this is NEW INFORMATION to most
but please TEST this by seeing who the CONTEXT
of each of these passages represents...
WHO is the subject of the passage?

In Matthew 22:2 it is the Jewish Kingdom
In Matthew 13 it is the Christian Kingdom
In Matthew 25:1-13 it's the Great Tribulation Kingdom

And, of course, Jesus specifically NAMES the
Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew chapters
5 and 7 and 8 and 19.

While the previous "Kingdoms of Heaven" were
(1) temporal
(2) contained BOTH saved and unsaved

The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" is not temporal
and contains saints from EACH of the previous Kingdoms.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are included [Mat 8:11] when
they were NOT included in the Christian Kingdom or the
Great Tribulation Kingdom.

For those who have not studied this issue carefully
there is a tendency to think there is no difference
between the "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the
one (1) "Kingdom of God".

The difference is explained below.

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The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
or it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".

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The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]

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The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".

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Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.

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keras said:

Why do you not mention this?

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You said:
I didn't miss your comments, I disagree with what you believe and promote. I looked at some of your website and it seems you are an SDA adherent.


Why in the world would you think that?
You either did NOT read the website or you cannot
read for comprehension.


You said:
Your fitting into end times of the 2300 evenings and mornings is wrong. That is provable past history, 1150 days; the time the 2nd Temple was desecrated by A4E.


If you think the end times was in 70AD you are hilarious.
There is no "second temple". Read this: It reveals that the
Man of Sin "sitting" (ruling) in the Temple is the SAME EVENT
as the Abomination "standing" (ruling) in the Holy Place.
In fact there are about TWO DOZEN passages about
this SAME EVENT.


https://www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-8


You said:
As for 'last saints', they will be those who get killed for their faith.


Rev 11:7
And when they shall have finished their testimony,
[when the Great Commission is finished] the beast that
ascendeth out of the bottomless pit [the Revelation Beast]
shall make war against them, and shall overcome them,
and kill them.


This is the SAME EVENT as the ten "kings/horns" in Dan 7
and the SAME EVENT as the ten "kings/horns" in Rev 17
and the SAME EVENT as the ten "virgins" in Mat 25


Again... READ the link I gave you (carefully) because it
shows TWO DOZEN passages about this SAME EVENT.


You said;
Daniel does say that a few 'wise leaders' will understand the prophesies


No, Daniel does not say whether it is 5 or 50 or 500...
but it is ONLY the Last Saints.


You said:
Who they are, or will be; God only knows.


How can you be so wrong so often?
They are the saints included in the "ten virgins" [Mat 25]
and the ten "kings/horns" [Dan 7 AND Rev 17] and the
ten "kings" [Dan 2:44]


Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman,
and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,
which keep the commandments of God, and have
the testimony of Jesus Christ.


You said:
Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1-2a when He commenced His Ministry. He stopped before;...and a Day of vengeance of our God.
That Day is therefore the next prophesied event. The Sixth Seal world changer.


When you do not understand WHO the Last Saints are and
you do not understand the "Kingdoms of Heaven" that Jesus
specifically NAMED and you do not understand the relationship
with the Daniel's Fourth Beast = Revelation Beast = the Great
Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" = the experiences of the
"ten virgins" = the reign of the Anti-Christ = Satan's
"Little Season"... then WHY in the world would you
even PRETEND to understand the "Day of Vengeance"??


Ask a better question AFTER you read the link above.


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Tone said:

Will you share the specifics of this? Thanks.

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While the Anti-Christ came in preaching a traditional Reformed
or Protestant Gospel (which all the real saints followed because
it is/was the most faithful to the Bible) during the great "falling-away"
he began teaching that men are NOT totally depraved and there
was NOT eternal torment and other such heresies... he also
began teaching the Sixth Trumpet (2nd Woe) occurred
BEFORE the Fifth Trumpet (1st Woe) and that salvation
could ONLY be found outside of the church... with
his "latter rain" doctrine.

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5thKingdom said:

If you believe there is only ONE "Kingdom of Heaven" then
you are contradicting the Lord Jesus Christ (not me)

Are you aware that Jesus specifically NAMED
four separate and distinct "Kingdoms of Heaven"
on earth?

In Mat 22:2 Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 13 (in 8 verses) Jesus specifically NAMES
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 25:1 Jesus specifically NAMES the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"

Now, I realize this is NEW INFORMATION to most
but please TEST this by seeing who the CONTEXT
of each of these passages represents...
WHO is the subject of the passage?

In Matthew 22:2 it is the Jewish Kingdom
In Matthew 13 it is the Christian Kingdom
In Matthew 25:1-13 it's the Great Tribulation Kingdom

And, of course, Jesus specifically NAMES the
Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew chapters
5 and 7 and 8 and 19.

While the previous "Kingdoms of Heaven" were
(1) temporal
(2) contained BOTH saved and unsaved

The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" is not temporal
and contains saints from EACH of the previous Kingdoms.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are included [Mat 8:11] when
they were NOT included in the Christian Kingdom or the
Great Tribulation Kingdom.

For those who have not studied this issue carefully
there is a tendency to think there is no difference
between the "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the
one (1) "Kingdom of God".

The difference is explained below.

--------------------------------------------------------

The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
or it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".

-------------------------------------------------------------

The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]

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The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".

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Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.

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There is only one Kingdom of Heaven.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Tone said:

So, we have been left behind?

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Everyone NOT "harvested" into the Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven"
has been left-behind. And those who did enter the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" all of the "foolish virgins" were lost.
Only the "wise virgins" were taken in the final harvest.


Mat 25:9-13
But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough
for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for
yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came;
and they that were ready [wise virgins] went in with him to
the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also
the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered
and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore,
for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


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Douggg said:

There is only one Kingdom of Heaven.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

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Great Doug... you send a quote about the (5th) ETERNAL
"Kingdom of Heaven".

And that passage is AFTER the previous four Kingdoms.
Why did you INTENTIONALLY IGNORE the first FOUR kingdoms?

Now all you have to do is deal with the OTHER THREE
"Kingdoms of Heaven" that Jesus specifically NAMED.

Make no mistake... I have already talked about the
(5th) ETERNAL "Kingdom of Heaven" so you sending
quotes about THAT kingdom are meaningless...

Tell me... WHO was included in the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matt 22:2... and WHO was included in the "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Mat 13 (in 8 verses)... and WHO was included in the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]


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