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37 Scriptures That Prove Christians Are Not Under The Law


Many Christians give lip service to the fact they live in the New Covenant.

The truth however is that because they fail to realise they are no longer under the law they are really still living in an Old Covenant reality.

Here are 37 scriptures that prove that Christians are not under the law!

Acts
The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)

Romans
The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)

The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)

The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

1 Corinthians
The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)

2 Corinthians
The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)

The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)

The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)

The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)

Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)

Galatians
The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)

Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)

The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)

To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)

The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)

The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)

The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)

The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)

If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)

The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)

The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)

Ephesians
Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)

Philippians
Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)

1 Timothy
The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)

It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

Hebrews
The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)

God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)

It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)

It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

Well there you have it… 37 scriptures that make a very convincing arguement.
 

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If that is the case why did Paul say Christians should establish the law.

Romans 3:31

It's established not by serving the letter of the law, but in the newness of the spirit behind it (Romans 2:29, Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6)
 
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37 Scriptures That Prove Christians Are Not Under The Law


Many Christians give lip service to the fact they live in the New Covenant.

The truth however is that because they fail to realise they are no longer under the law they are really still living in an Old Covenant reality.

Here are 37 scriptures that prove that Christians are not under the law!

Acts
The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)

Romans
The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)

The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)

The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

1 Corinthians
The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)

2 Corinthians
The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)

The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)

The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)

The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)

Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)

Galatians
The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)

Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)

The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)

To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)

The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)

The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)

The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)

The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)

If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)

The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)

The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)

Ephesians
Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)

Philippians
Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)

1 Timothy
The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)

It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

Hebrews
The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)

God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)

It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)

It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

Well there you have it… 37 scriptures that make a very convincing arguement.
I'm sold. There was some oyster sauce in the rice I made today. I'm glad I'm no longer counted a sinner for that.
 
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If that is the case why did Paul say Christians should establish the law.

Romans 3:31




Paul says again and again that we are to live by faith, not law, but living by faith does not make one anti-law. On the contrary, it is by faith that we establish or support the law.

How do we establish or uphold the law? By trusting in Jesus who kept the law perfectly and by whose perfect sacrifice we are made righteous:

So the law was put in charge of us until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. (Gal 3:24-25, TNIV)

Those who trust in their law-keeping performance may scorn those of us who are walking by grace, but the fact is we are 100% lawful while they are the lawbreakers.

You do NOT establish the law by:

  • trying to keep it (you can’t)
  • adopting it as a standard for holy living (it’s a recipe for inferior living, see Heb 10:1)
  • mixing it with grace (you’ll end up lukewarm and alienated from Christ)
  • thinking your rule-keeping pleases the Lord (trusting in your flesh never pleases him)
  • posting it on your Sunday School wall (it’s a ministry that condemns!)
  • telling yourself “it’s part of our Christian heritage” (it never was!)
You DO uphold the law by putting your faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on your behalf and who offers you his perfect righteousness as a gift.

Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Rom 10:4)



Romans 3:31 says we uphold the law by faith. Period. If you’re not convinced, it may help to look at the verse in context:

  • verse 28: You are justified by faith, not by law
  • verse 29: In any case only one nation received the law, yet God is God of all
  • verse 30: God will justify both the Jew and non-Jew by faith
  • verse 31: Does that mean God’s gift to the Jews was wasted? Not at all! As long as you end up with Jesus, then you uphold the law
The Jews were misusing the law. They thought it made them righteous and pleasing to God. Paul wrote to correct this:

No one is righteous. All have sinned and fall short – even the law-loving Jews. The law doesn’t make you righteous; it makes you conscious of sin so that you may be justified freely by grace. (my paraphrase of Romans 3)

Live by the law and you dishonor both it and Jesus. According to Romans 7, living by the law is spiritual adultery. It’s cheating on the One who died to set you free from the law’s heavy demands .

The law points to Jesus. If you are relying on Christ and his perfect work, then you uphold the law and honor the reason for which it was given.

___________
 
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A lot of people get confused by Saul (Paul). It can be confusing because they don’t take into consideration who he is speaking to in His letters, and what law he is referring to.
First and foremost, Saul became a devoted believer in Yahshua A.K.A Jesus. He used to believe that you had to be circumcised in order to enter into the covenant with Yahweh. His old beliefs include that animals had to be sacrificed in order to be cleansed from sin on a daily basis.
He was well versed in all of the Torah, which is the first five Books of Moses, and the following books we have today that is referred to as the prophets. The only thing that changed about his beliefs is he now believes in the Messiah Yahshua. He realized that the Messiah’s sacrifice is superior to the old law that requires the previous ways you had to enter into the covenant. His letters were addressed to the newly converts of the Messiah and He was fighting against those that preached the old laws of the covenant.
Romans 1-9 clearly begins with his newfound faith in the Messiah Yahshua as the son of Yahweh. This was huge for Saul. If you remember, he actively hunted down followers of Yahshua and had them tortured, killed, or imprisoned. Romans 2:25-29 explains how Jews feel justified through Circumcision, yet they are hypocrites because they wouldn’t uphold the law that they preached to everyone else. When they transgress the law in the covenant way through Circumcision they made themselves the same as the uncircumcised. Then he continues to say that we must be circumcised of the heart. This is not a new doctrine.
Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV)
And Yahweh thy Elohim will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love Yahweh thy Elohim with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Psalm 51:16 (KJV)
For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give [it]: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Proverbs 21:3 (KJV)
To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to Yahweh than sacrifice.

If you read the OT at all, you would know that the ancient Israelites fell into a routine. They offered the sacrifices and circumcised their flesh, but that’s as deep as their worship went. They wouldn’t acknowledge that the sacrifices only bought them time so that they could learn how to live right by Yahweh. Which is the definition of righteousness. So the law of Circumcision became null and void once the Messiah Yahshua came and lived as a man. Circumcision is useless because now we are justified through our faith in Yahshua the Messiah.
Romans 3:30 talks about how we still serve the one Elohim. Who justified Circumcision by faith and Uncircumcision by faith. So it doesn’t matter if you are or not when your faith is based off of the Messiah.
 
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It's established not by serving the letter of the law, but in the newness of the spirit behind it (Romans 2:29, Romans 7:6, 2 Corinthians 3:6)

Paul didn't say they Should, but (DID).

Paul says again and again that we are to live by faith, not law, but living by faith does not make one anti-law. On the contrary, it is by faith that we establish or support the law.

How do we establish or uphold the law? By trusting in Jesus who kept the law perfectly and by whose perfect sacrifice we are made righteous:

So the law was put in charge of us until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. (Gal 3:24-25, TNIV)

Those who trust in their law-keeping performance may scorn those of us who are walking by grace, but the fact is we are 100% lawful while they are the lawbreakers.

You do NOT establish the law by:

  • trying to keep it (you can’t)
  • adopting it as a standard for holy living (it’s a recipe for inferior living, see Heb 10:1)
  • mixing it with grace (you’ll end up lukewarm and alienated from Christ)
  • thinking your rule-keeping pleases the Lord (trusting in your flesh never pleases him)
  • posting it on your Sunday School wall (it’s a ministry that condemns!)
  • telling yourself “it’s part of our Christian heritage” (it never was!)
You DO uphold the law by putting your faith in the One who fulfilled all the righteous requirements of the law on your behalf and who offers you his perfect righteousness as a gift.

Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes. (Rom 10:4)



Romans 3:31 says we uphold the law by faith. Period. If you’re not convinced, it may help to look at the verse in context:

  • verse 28: You are justified by faith, not by law
  • verse 29: In any case only one nation received the law, yet God is God of all
  • verse 30: God will justify both the Jew and non-Jew by faith
  • verse 31: Does that mean God’s gift to the Jews was wasted? Not at all! As long as you end up with Jesus, then you uphold the law
The Jews were misusing the law. They thought it made them righteous and pleasing to God. Paul wrote to correct this:

No one is righteous. All have sinned and fall short – even the law-loving Jews. The law doesn’t make you righteous; it makes you conscious of sin so that you may be justified freely by grace. (my paraphrase of Romans 3)

Live by the law and you dishonor both it and Jesus. According to Romans 7, living by the law is spiritual adultery. It’s cheating on the One who died to set you free from the law’s heavy demands .

The law points to Jesus. If you are relying on Christ and his perfect work, then you uphold the law and honor the reason for which it was given.

___________

Yes I understand I am not saved by keeping the law. However as a Christian I am to submit to God's will. I will uphold God's law and establish His law in my life.
 
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I agree with you that we are not under the law of circumcision and animal sacrifice.
I disagree with the doctrine that this includes all the laws that were given to teach us the difference between sin and righteousness.
Of course I am not arguing that you should obey the laws to be justified. Only baptism in Yahshua’s holy name justifies us. Obedience is expected of us once we enter the covenant through the Messiah Yahshua’s name. The book of James explains that faith without works is dead. It’s useless and in vain. So unless you’re baptized in the name of Yahshua, you’re still in danger of dying in your sin.
 
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I agree with you that we are not under the law of circumcision and animal sacrifice.
I disagree with the doctrine that this includes all the laws that were given to teach us the difference between sin and righteousness.
Of course I am not arguing that you should obey the laws to be justified. Only baptism in Yahshua’s holy name justifies us. Obedience is expected of us once we enter the covenant through the Messiah Yahshua’s name. The book of James explains that faith without works is dead. It’s useless and in vain. So unless you’re baptized in the name of Yahshua, you’re still in danger of dying in your sin.




The above is completely UnBiblical.......

The Publican who would not even lift his eyes to Heaven as he prayed in the Temple “ Went home JUSTIFIED” according to Jesus.What did he do? He saw himself as a helpless Sinner who needed Forgiveness....With FAITH , He turned to God to obtain it . Do the same thing that the Publican did ( Turn to God with a Contrite Heart ) and Jesus will declare “you” Justified also ......
 
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37 Scriptures That Prove Christians Are Not Under The Law


Many Christians give lip service to the fact they live in the New Covenant.

The truth however is that because they fail to realise they are no longer under the law they are really still living in an Old Covenant reality.

Here are 37 scriptures that prove that Christians are not under the law!

Acts
The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)

Romans
The law reveals sin but cannot fix it. (Romans 3:20)

If the law worked then faith would be irrelevant. (Romans 4:14)

The law brings wrath upon those who follow it. (Romans 4:15)

The purpose of the law was to increase sin. (Romans 5:20)

Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)

Christians have been delivered from the law. (Romans 7:1-6)

The law is good, perfect and holy but cannot help you be good, perfect or holy. (Romans 7:7-12)

The law which promises life only brings death through sin. (Romans 7:10)

The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)

The law is weak. (Romans 8:2-3)

1 Corinthians
The strength of sin is the law (1 Corinthians 15:56)

2 Corinthians
The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)

The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)

The law has no glory at all in comparison with the New Covenant. (2 Corinthians 3:10)

The law is fading away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)

Anywhere the law is preached it produces a mind-hardening and a heart-hardening veil. (2 Corinthians 3:14-15)

Galatians
The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)

Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)

The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)

To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)

The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)

The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)

The law was a curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)

The law functioned in God’s purpose as a temporary covenant from Moses till John the Baptist announced Christ. (Galatians 3:16 & 19, also see… Matthew 11:12-13, Luke 16:16)

If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)

The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)

The law makes you a slave like Hagar. (Galatians 4:24)

Ephesians
Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility (Ephesians 2:15)

Philippians
Paul considered everything the law gained him as “skybalon” which is Greek for “poop”. (Philippians 3:4-8)

1 Timothy
The law is only good if used in the right context. (1 Timothy 1:8) (see next verse for the context)

It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

Hebrews
The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)

God has found fault with it and created a better covenant, enacted on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)

It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)

It is only a shadow of good things to come and will never make someone perfect. (Hebrews 10:1)

Well there you have it… 37 scriptures that make a very convincing arguement.
Paul wrote "The law is good, if one uses it lawfully." It is a play on words meaning that the law is a good thing if it is used rightly. And when Paul says "law" he means the entire law written by Moses in Ex., Lev., Num., & Deu. This also includes the moral part of the law, meaning the 10 commandments. It should be observed that all the apostles and Jesus spoke and wrote of the law in this manner. James wrote "if you transgress in one point, you transgress the whole law." And Jesus said to one inquisitor "what does the law say?" and proceeded to list the 10 commandments.

So as Christians, we are not "under the law" in the sense that the law condemns us, as "there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Nevertheless, Paul wrote that the law leads us to Christ. And we must recognize that we in Christ need Him every day of our natural lives, and we need to get closer to Christ as we go, because we aren't perfect, and He said "abide in Me, for apart from Me you can do nothing." (That is, nothing godly).

So then, what we Christians use the law for (that is, the moral part) is to measure ourselves against the perfect character of Christ, to show us how much we need Him daily, and especially in times of adversity when the sludge tends to come to the surface. This drives us to seek after God in a deeper way, that we may cooperate more with the Spirit in becoming more sanctified than we are now.

In this way the law (that is, the requirement of the moral law which is loving others) is fulfilled in us, because we don't use the law wrongly as unbelievers, but we use it to follow after the Spirit's leading. In this way, the moral law becomes our friend, and something we love God by. 1 Jn. 5:3 "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome." And they are not burdensome because we rely on the Spirit to make us desire to obey.

Unbelievers see the law, and specifically the 10 commandments, as a burden and an enemy of their desires. They see the law as an absolute requirement for salvation. But believers see the law as something they desire to do, as an outcome of their faith in Christ.

So then there are 3 usages of the law for 3 different audiences:
1. For criminals, the law is a tool of the state for punishing evildoers.
2. For unbelievers who hear the gospel call, the law is a tool for showing them the true condition of their soul, that they might hear the gospel of grace and seek Christ for salvation.
3. For believers, it is a tool for measuring how close or far away our heart is to abiding in Christ in order to seek for deeper sanctification.
TD:)
 
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37 Scriptures That Prove Christians Are Not Under The Law


Many Christians give lip service to the fact they live in the New Covenant.

The truth however is that because they fail to realise they are no longer under the law they are really still living in an Old Covenant reality.

Here are 37 scriptures that prove that Christians are not under the law!

You should give credit when you copy and paste someone else's work.

God's law straightforwardly does what it was given to do and does not do what it was not given to do, so the fact that it doesn't do something that it was never given to do does not mean that we aren't under it. For example, in Romans 3:20, the fact that God's law can't fix sin does not mean that we are free to live in sin, but rather the fact that God's law reveals what sin is and that we are obligated to refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin means that we are obligated to obey God's law. Likewise, in Romans 4:14, the fact that we don't inherit the promise by obeying the law doesn't mean that we don't need to obey it. The same is true with the fact that the law can't make us holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12). The same is true that we aren't justified by God's law, which is that much more true for works of the law (Galatians 2:16). Likewise, we aren't made righteous by the law because it was never given for that purpose (Galatians 2:21), for not earning our salvation (Galatians 3:21), for the law not freeing us from sin (Romans 8:2-3), and for making nothing perfect (Hebrews 7:18-19).

Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law, such as God's law, works of the law, and the law of sin, so if you assume that he was always speaking about the same law, then you are guaranteed to misunderstand him and you will make him out to be an enemy of God who was teaching us to rebel against His law. For example, in Romans 7:25, Paul contrasted God's law with the law of sin. Likewise, in Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law that is of works with a law that is of faith, so works of the law are of works, while he said in Romans 3:31 that our faith upholds God's law, so God's law is of faith.

Obedience to any set of instructions that are for our own good is about putting our faith in the one who gave them, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's law, so again it is of faith. God is trustworthy, so His law therefore is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7, Nehemiah 9:13), and a law that isn't trustworthy can't come from a God who is trustworthy, so to deny that God's law is of faith is to deny that God is trustworthy. In Galatians 3:10-13, it says that works of the law are not of faith, not God's law. It associates a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 with a quote from Leviticus 18:5, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as the ones who are living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, while no one is justified before God by works of the law because they are not of faith in God. In Deuteronomy 28:1-14, it lists blessings for living in obedience to God's law while verses 15-68 list curses for living in disobedience to God's law, so God's law was given in order to teach us how to be blessed and being redeemed from the curse of the law is being set free to enjoy the blessing of the law. Paul's problem in Galatians was not with those who were teaching Gentiles to obey God's law as if obedience to God were somehow a negative thing, but rather his problem was with those who were wanting to require Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become justified.

In Romans 7:7, Paul said that God's law is not sinful, but that it was given to reveal what sin is, and when our sin is revealed, then that leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease, however, the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so it is sinful and causes sin to increase, so the law of sin is the opposite of the Mosaic Law. So verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from doing the good of obeying God's law are referring to the law of sin rather than to God's law, such as Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, 1 Corinthians 15:56, Galatians 5:16-18, and Galatians 2:19. In Romans 7:10-13, Paul said that God's law is good and that it was not what was good that brought death to him, yet that is precisely what you are trying to use these verses to blame. In Romans 7:22-23, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's law, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive, so if Romans 7:5-6 were referring to God's law, then that would mean that Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death and in being held captive, which is absurd, but rather it is the law of sin that Paul described as holding him captive. Paul should not be interpreted as speaking against doing what he delighted in doing.

In the stories of the Bible, was God's wrath poured out on those who obeyed His law or on those who refused to submit to it? I have no idea how you can interpret Romans 4:15 as saying that God pours out His wrath on those who obey His law and that what He really wants is our disobedience. The fact that the law is a ministry of death for those who refuse to submit to it is not a very good reason for you to argue in favor of doing that.

In John 5:39-40, Jesus said you search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that if we want to enter into eternal life, then obey the commandments, so eternal life can be found in the Scriptures and the Pharisees were correct to search for it there, but they needed to recognize that everything in Scripture testifies about how to have a relationship with Christ and that is is only though entering into a relationship with him that we can have eternal life, and this was what the veil was preventing them from seeing. In Philippians 3:8-9, Paul was in the same boat as the Pharisees, where he had been obeying the law while not having a focus on knowing Christ, so he had been missing the whole goal of the law and counted it all as rubbish. In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge because they didn't understand that the righteousness of God comes only through faith in Christ, so they failed to attain righteousness because they misunderstood the goal of the law. They pursued the law as though righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own instead of pursuing the law as though righteousness were by faith in Christ, for Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith.

In Luke 16:16-18, Jesus said that the law was until John and that since then the Gospel of the Kingdom has been preached, namely to repent from our sins for the Kingdom of God is at hand, so the fact that he was speaking about the law still being taught after John means that he was not speaking about it ending with him. Furthermore, Jesus went on in verses 17-18 to teach obedience to the law and to say that it would be easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the least part to disappear from the law, so he was not speaking about a law that he thought had already ended. Lastly, neither John or Jesus taught people to stop repenting from their sins, but just the opposite.

God did not give any laws for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves, so it wouldn't make any sense to interpret Ephesians 2:15 as referring to God's law. God did not make any mistakes, so He had no need to abolish His own laws. Instructions for how to act in accordance with the nature of the God of Israel can't be abolished without first abolishing the God of Israel, which is your true aim.

When we have a character trait, then we will express it through our actions, so when God declares us to be righteous by grace through faith, He is also declaring us to be someone who expresses His righteousness through our actions in obedience to His instructions for how to do so found in His law in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow of how he expressed his righteousness. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those whose heart is God's law, so it would be absurd to try to use 1 Timothy 1:8-10 to say that doing what is righteous in obedience to God's law is only for the unrighteous and not for the righteous. Verse 8 says that God's law is good if it is used properly, so verse 9-10 should not be used to argue that the law is not good for us to obey. Those who try to use those verse to exempt themselves from doing what is righteous thereby become one of the unrighteous that the law is for.

In Hebrews 8:7-13, it does not say that the fault that God found was on His end of the covenant with His law, but rather it says that the fault that God found was with the people for not continuing in their covenant. In verse 10, the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law, so while the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete, God's eternal law did not become obsolete along with it.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult to obey and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So to consider it to be an unbearable yoke is to be in direct disagreement with God. Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome, so by arguing against obeying God's law you are arguing against loving God.
 
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The above is completely UnBiblical.......

The Publican who would not even lift his eyes to Heaven as he prayed in the Temple “ Went home JUSTIFIED” according to Jesus.What did he do? He saw himself as a helpless Sinner who needed Forgiveness....With FAITH , He turned to God to obtain it . Do the same thing that the Publican did ( Turn to God with a Contrite Heart ) and Jesus will declare “you” Justified also ......
Perhaps my word use was off. Obeying the law without a sacrifice won’t do anything for a believer. You have to have a sacrifice and Yahshua is the only acceptable sacrifice until the kingdom when animal sacrifices will be brought back. You can’t enter into the covenant without His blood. For only His blood, and name can redeem a sinner.
 
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You should give credit when you copy and paste someone else's work.

God's law straightforwardly does what it was given to do and does not do what it was not given to do, so the fact that it doesn't do something that it was never given to do does not mean that we aren't under it. For example, in Romans 3:20, the fact that God's law can't fix sin does not mean that we are free to live in sin, but rather the fact that God's law reveals what sin is and that we are obligated to refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin means that we are obligated to obey God's law. Likewise, in Romans 4:14, the fact that we don't inherit the promise by obeying the law doesn't mean that we don't need to obey it. The same is true with the fact that the law can't make us holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12). The same is true that we aren't justified by God's law, which is that much more true for works of the law (Galatians 2:16). Likewise, we aren't made righteous by the law because it was never given for that purpose (Galatians 2:21), for not earning our salvation (Galatians 3:21), for the law not freeing us from sin (Romans 8:2-3), and for making nothing perfect (Hebrews 7:18-19).

Paul spoke about multiple different categories of law, such as God's law, works of the law, and the law of sin, so if you assume that he was always speaking about the same law, then you are guaranteed to misunderstand him and you will make him out to be an enemy of God who was teaching us to rebel against His law. For example, in Romans 7:25, Paul contrasted God's law with the law of sin. Likewise, in Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law that is of works with a law that is of faith, so works of the law are of works, while he said in Romans 3:31 that our faith upholds God's law, so God's law is of faith.

Obedience to any set of instructions that are for our own good is about putting our faith in the one who gave them, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 that faith is one of the weightier matters of God's law, so again it is of faith. God is trustworthy, so His law therefore is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7, Nehemiah 9:13), and a law that isn't trustworthy can't come from a God who is trustworthy, so to deny that God's law is of faith is to deny that God is trustworthy. In Galatians 3:10-13, it says that works of the law are not of faith, not God's law. It associates a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 with a quote from Leviticus 18:5, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as the ones who are living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, while no one is justified before God by works of the law because they are not of faith in God. In Deuteronomy 28:1-14, it lists blessings for living in obedience to God's law while verses 15-68 list curses for living in disobedience to God's law, so God's law was given in order to teach us how to be blessed and being redeemed from the curse of the law is being set free to enjoy the blessing of the law. Paul's problem in Galatians was not with those who were teaching Gentiles to obey God's law as if obedience to God were somehow a negative thing, but rather his problem was with those who were wanting to require Gentiles to obey their works of the law in order to become justified.

In Romans 7:7, Paul said that God's law is not sinful, but that it was given to reveal what sin is, and when our sin is revealed, then that leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease, however, the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so it is sinful and causes sin to increase, so the law of sin is the opposite of the Mosaic Law. So verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from doing the good of obeying God's law are referring to the law of sin rather than to God's law, such as Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, 1 Corinthians 15:56, Galatians 5:16-18, and Galatians 2:19. In Romans 7:10-13, Paul said that God's law is good and that it was not what was good that brought death to him, yet that is precisely what you are trying to use these verses to blame. In Romans 7:22-23, Paul said that he delighted in obeying God's law, but contrasted that with the law of sin, which held him captive, so if Romans 7:5-6 were referring to God's law, then that would mean that Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death and in being held captive, which is absurd, but rather it is the law of sin that Paul described as holding him captive. Paul should not be interpreted as speaking against doing what he delighted in doing.

In the stories of the Bible, was God's wrath poured out on those who obeyed His law or on those who refused to submit to it? I have no idea how you can interpret Romans 4:15 as saying that God pours out His wrath on those who obey His law and that what He really wants is our disobedience. The fact that the law is a ministry of death for those who refuse to submit to it is not a very good reason for you to argue in favor of doing that.

In John 5:39-40, Jesus said you search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that if we want to enter into eternal life, then obey the commandments, so eternal life can be found in the Scriptures and the Pharisees were correct to search for it there, but they needed to recognize that everything in Scripture testifies about how to have a relationship with Christ and that is is only though entering into a relationship with him that we can have eternal life, and this was what the veil was preventing them from seeing. In Philippians 3:8-9, Paul was in the same boat as the Pharisees, where he had been obeying the law while not having a focus on knowing Christ, so he had been missing the whole goal of the law and counted it all as rubbish. In Romans 9:30-10:4, the Israelites had a zeal for God, but it was not based on knowledge because they didn't understand that the righteousness of God comes only through faith in Christ, so they failed to attain righteousness because they misunderstood the goal of the law. They pursued the law as though righteousness were by works in an effort to establish their own instead of pursuing the law as though righteousness were by faith in Christ, for Christ is the goal of the law for righteousness for everyone who has faith.

In Luke 16:16-18, Jesus said that the law was until John and that since then the Gospel of the Kingdom has been preached, namely to repent from our sins for the Kingdom of God is at hand, so the fact that he was speaking about the law still being taught after John means that he was not speaking about it ending with him. Furthermore, Jesus went on in verses 17-18 to teach obedience to the law and to say that it would be easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for the least part to disappear from the law, so he was not speaking about a law that he thought had already ended. Lastly, neither John or Jesus taught people to stop repenting from their sins, but just the opposite.

God did not give any laws for the purpose of creating a dividing wall of hostility, but rather His law instructs us to love our neighbor as ourselves, so it wouldn't make any sense to interpret Ephesians 2:15 as referring to God's law. God did not make any mistakes, so He had no need to abolish His own laws. Instructions for how to act in accordance with the nature of the God of Israel can't be abolished without first abolishing the God of Israel, which is your true aim.

When we have a character trait, then we will express it through our actions, so when God declares us to be righteous by grace through faith, He is also declaring us to be someone who expresses His righteousness through our actions in obedience to His instructions for how to do so found in His law in accordance with the example that Christ set for us to follow of how he expressed his righteousness. In Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those whose heart is God's law, so it would be absurd to try to use 1 Timothy 1:8-10 to say that doing what is righteous in obedience to God's law is only for the unrighteous and not for the righteous. Verse 8 says that God's law is good if it is used properly, so verse 9-10 should not be used to argue that the law is not good for us to obey. Those who try to use those verse to exempt themselves from doing what is righteous thereby become one of the unrighteous that the law is for.

In Hebrews 8:7-13, it does not say that the fault that God found was on His end of the covenant with His law, but rather it says that the fault that God found was with the people for not continuing in their covenant. In verse 10, the New Covenant still involves following the Mosaic Law, so while the Mosaic Covenant has become obsolete, God's eternal law did not become obsolete along with it.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it says that God's law is not too difficult to obey and that obedience brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So to consider it to be an unbearable yoke is to be in direct disagreement with God. Likewise, in 1 John 5:3, to love God is to obey His commandments, which are not burdensome, so by arguing against obeying God's law you are arguing against loving God.

Sorry.....your post was too lengthy to read...
If you desire to hang on to something that Paul said was “ weak and useless”—- go right ahead. But why settle for a beggarly Law when you have something so much better? God’s Holy Spirit ......Or don’t you trust it?
There is Wisdom Galore in the Commandments Of God.....Only a fool would ignore them.....they are all for our own good.....God will bless you for being obedient to His Laws! He just won’t SAVE you because if it.....
 
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He just won’t SAVE you because if it.....

It's not that God won't Save you, it is that God cannot Save you by your keeping of the Law, and Jesus summed it up like this.

John 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
 
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Sorry.....your post was too lengthy to read...
If you desire to hang on to something that Paul said was “ weak and useless”—- go right ahead. But why settle for a beggarly Law when you have something so much better? God’s Holy Spirit ......Or don’t you trust it?
There is Wisdom Galore in the Commandments Of God.....Only a fool would ignore them.....they are all for our own good.....God will bless you for being obedient to His Laws! He just won’t SAVE you because if it.....

Isn't the point of creating a post that quotes 37 verses to discuss those verses? A reply that discusses how 37 verses should be interpreted is going to be lengthy, so what else did you expect?

The opinion that someone has of the law matches the opinion that they have of the Lawgiver. For example, God is trustworthy, so His law therefore is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7, Nehemiah 9:13), and a law that isn't trustworthy can't come from a God who is trustworthy. Likewise, a law that is holy, righteous, and good can only come from a God who is holy, righteous, and good. The Psalms contain extremely high praise for God's law, such as with David repeatedly saying that he loved it and delighted in obeying it, which certainly matched his opinion of the Lawgiver, and if you consider the Psalms to be Scripture and to therefore express a correct view of God's law, then you will share it as Paul did (Romans 7:22) instead of holding the polar opposite of the view expressed by Scripture.

The Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's law (Ezekiel 36:26-27), the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth (John 16:3), and God's law is truth (Psalms 119:142). Jesus set a sinless example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he is the personification of the truth (John 14:6). In 2 Timothy 3:8, those who oppose Moses also oppose the truth, being of corrupted minds and disqualified in regard to the faith. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have carnal minds, who refuse to submit to God's law. In Galatians 5:19-22, everything listed as carnal works that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it.

We don't earn our salvation by obeying God's law because it was never given for that purpose, however, our salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's law, so it is also true that someone is not saved from living in transgression of God's law while refusing to live in obedience to it.
 
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The opinion that someone has of the law matches the opinion that they have of the Lawgiver.

Paul said that the Law was “ weak and useless” in that it had NO POWER to Save.....I do not think that God is “ weak and useless”. I do not believe that God lacks the Power to Save. The Power to Save a Soul is contained in Paul’s Gospel found in 1Cor15:1-4. All the Law could ever do was “condem” a person, “ shut our mouths” about being able to keep it, and convict us of our sins and our hopeless situation and lead us to the Savior, Jesus Christ and the Gospel He gave to Paul that actually “ has” the Power to Save.When we fully Trust, or REST in that Gospel Of Grace Plus Nothing, God will put His Holy Spirit in us and we will FIND ourselves being Obedient without having to TRY so hard.......Ultimately, one is Saved by Trusting— not by Trying.... “He That finds Life will find it by Trusting God”.....

We don't earn our salvation by obeying God's law because it was never given for that purpose, however, our salvation is from sin and sin is the transgression of God's law, so it is also true that someone is not saved from living in transgression of God's law while refusing to live in obedience to it.

Obedience to God’s Laws have Nothing to do with Salvation.....Salvation is a GIFT given to those who can NEVER Merit it by trying and failing to keep it....Christ Shed His Blood for the “ Ungodly” ,those who were “ DEAD in Trespasses and Sins”.
The unsaved man , who doesn’t even posses the Holy Spirit yet, has absolutely NO chance to be Obedient or Live a life pleasing to God.His only hope is that the Holy Spirit will use the Law to convict him of his hopeless , helpless condition and that he will then “ Turn to God with Faith in Jesus Christ”. If that person turns to Jesus, God will put His Spirit in Him and change his Heart .That “ Heart Change” will lead to a person being a better Law-Keeper than he ever dreamed possible .A person will naturally become Obedient as a side-effect of RESTING in the Gospel That Saved Him . That “ REST” in the Finished Work Of Christ will spur the Love that God is looking for. LOVE for God is the Engine that drives Obedience. If one is trying to be obedient in order too “ obtain” Salvation , or if one is trying to be obedient to “ maintain” his Salvation, it is nothing but Dead Works......
Let the Law do what it was intended to do—- take you by the hand and send you to Jesus so that He can use His Holy Spirit to Clean you up and make you Fit for Heaven.Once That Job is done, Let go of “that” Hand and grab the Hand Of Jesus— your LOVE for Him , once it truly HITS YOU in what He has done for you ,will propel your Obedience — not Fear and Obligation.


Sorry about the length of this post.....( and yes, I recognize the irony in that....lol)
 
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The OPer is touching on a phenomenon that is very true. There's no need for a believer to be hearing constant preaching about the law when he or she is walking in step and harmony with God. There are negative things that can occur when this happens. I'll explain:

(Disclaimer: I'm not necessarily saying preaching repentance from sin and using the law to point toward Jesus is wrong. The gospel message is repent and believe the gospel. However, But the apostle was clear in Romans 7 in verses such as verse 7 down to 13...

" Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is sinful? Of
course not! In fact, it was the law that showed me my sin. I would
never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, “You must not covet.” But sin used this command to arouse all kinds of covetous desires within me! If there were no law, sin would not have that power. At one time I lived without understanding the law. But when I learned the command not to covet, for instance, the power of sin came to life, and I died. So I discovered that the law’s commands, which were supposed to bring life, brought spiritual death instead. Sin took advantage of those commands and deceived me; it used the commands to kill me. But still, the law itself is holy, and its commands are holy and right and good.
But how can that be? Did the law, which is good, cause my death? Of course not! Sin used what was good to bring about my condemnation to death. So we can see how terrible sin really is. It uses God’s good commands for its own evil purposes."

What does this mean? Well, I believe preaching the law will produce these type of things Paul talked about in Romans 7. I'm not saying that believers never need to hear about holiness or right living. Contrary. But ministers (especially Pastors) need to know their congregation. Because detriment can be done to people if all they are hearing is the law. All it does is shows us how criminal and sinful we are apart from the atoning and living work of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
 
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People that choose to refuse God’s Way Of Salvation, which is Grace Plus Nothing, need to be told that if they try to “ live by the Law” to Merit their Salvation, they will automatically inherit “the Curse Of The Law.” Rare is the Preacher that warns his congregation about this Biblical Truth. It’s sad that most Preachers are ignorant about the Grace of God that has saved everybody who has ever been saved.If they are even “aware” that we live in the “ Age Of Grace”, Free from the burden of trying and failing to keep the 613 Commands Of The Law—an impossible system that even Paul described as a task neither he nor his Fathers could perform, they don’t Trust Grace and will not set their congregations free.

Most Preachers prefer to ignore God’s Way Of Salvation and think its “safer” to preach a bastardized version of Christianity —One could call it “ Juda-Anity”— Where one puts one foot in Grace, while never, ever forgetting to keep the other foot firmly planted in Law.....
The Bad News is that Law cancels Grace, and Grace is the ONLY thing that will Save you.....one would be wise not to tamper with the very thing that saves you....pray that God shows you how to REST in His Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4....... If you don’t do this, take a look at Heb.4.....God will rightly accuse you of “ disobedience and UNbelief”. You don’t want to hear that Verdict come Judgement Day.....
 
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