Why was the Priesthood Changed?
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Yes, timeless as the moral instructions which were before Moses were retained in Moses law.
Le 18:26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
Le 18:27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled
Le 18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
De 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
De 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
But the old system of religious structures and observances have been removed or changed.
Paul talks about serving (caring for/praying for/helping) each other as being a form of priestly service. He also declares that there is no distinction between people and gender, we are all made one in Christ Jesus, we all (those born again of The Spirit of God) are equal members of the church of God, Christ's body.
Peter declares that we (the body of Christ, the church) "are a chosen people, a royal priesthood....", clearly indicating that every Christian is a priest.
So, who are we priests to/for... of course, we are priests to our God, and to each other.
So, what is the priestly service we provide, surely it is the product of applying Jesus' teachings, and these are encapsulated within the two commandments that Jesus gave us. These two commandments of course are mutually inclusive, and are that we must firstly love God with every iota and minute of our being, and secondly we must love each other as God would expect us to do but in ways that would never override the requirements of the first commandment.
Sadly, some divisions in the church have fallen back to the Old Testament priesthood system, and have therefore confused and complicated the 'Way'.[/QUOTE]
Some do seem to rely on the law of Moses. But Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were not even Party to that covenant.
Deut 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
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Yes, timeless as the moral instructions which were before Moses were retained in Moses law.
Le 18:26 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes and my judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations; neither any of your own nation, nor any stranger that sojourneth among you:
Le 18:27 (For all these abominations have the men of the land done, which were before you, and the land is defiled
Le 18:29 For whosoever shall commit any of these abominations, even the souls that commit them shall be cut off from among their people.
De 18:9 When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
De 18:12 For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
But ralliann,
They didn't refrain from committing these abominations. They rejected God's Instruction and created an image of God in the likeness of something on earth, and they worshiped that image, created High Days in worship of that image, just as the nations surrounding them did. They broke the Covenant ralliann.
Ex. 32:7 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:
8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: (As I promised in the Covenant I made with them) and I will make of thee a great nation.
So did God "cut them off" from being His Children as the covenant He shared with them said?
No sir, 3 thousand were destroyed, but God saved some of them alive.
Deut 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.
But God said if they rejected His Judgments HE would cut them off. So why are they still alive on this day in Duet? You just posted God's covenant where HE said He would "cut them off" if they worshiped as the nations around them worshiped. WHY ARE THEY STILL ALIVE IN DUET. 5?
They are still alive because God "ADDED" a Law on Mt. Sinai, a "Covenant with Levi" on Israel's behalf, which provided for the "ATONEMENT" of their transgressions, until the Lamb of God, or the "SEED" as Paul calls it, should come.
Gal. 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added (To what?) because of transgressions, (of what?) till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
They were "alive" in Duet 5, not because they obeyed the covenant you posted above, but because of the Levitical Priesthood God "ADDED" to that Covenant, which provided atonement for them. A Law their father Abraham didn't have.
30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
It was this "Covenant" that the Creator of the New Covenant changed. Read it for yourself in Jer. 31.
This is Biblical Fact. The scriptures clearly show this. But in modern religion, this important part of the "Law" is omitted. This is what the Mainstream Preachers of Jesus time did. They "Omitted" whole portions of God's instruction, and crated their own. You are trying to teach about God as well, but you are omitting important Biblical Truths. This is why Jesus said "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by Every Word which proceeds from God".
For those children of Abraham who had the Faith of Abraham, like Caleb and Joshua, Rahab and Zecharias, and the perfect example, Jesus the Christ Himself. They became our examples of Faithful kings and priests in God's Kingdom.
Heb. 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
It was the Levitical Priesthood Covenant given to Levi that was changed, that was corrupted by the very Levites God placed to administer in the Priest's office. At least according to the Word of God which became Flesh. How can a man know enough to speak about God's New Covenant, when they refuse to accept the truth about the old one?
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Because Moses interceded on behalf of The Israelites, that God not be blasphemed in the eyes of the nations.
God already foretold the future Judgement of the nations.
13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
Law increased as it was always by God's judgement on the nations that the land was to be possessed.
Because God is the Judge of all the earth as Abraham knew him. The God of all Men.
Ge 18:25 That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
the earthly inheritance under the Sinai covenant did not need to be changed. It was already full in Abraham.
Ga 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
I think you are missing somethings.
Ro 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Ro 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
The fourth generation was given the task of inheritance by God's judgement on the nations being dispossessed for their fullness of sin.
If this be true, and it is because Paul taught it so,,, what was going on with Sodom And Gomorrah? If it was not an imputation of sin by the law then what was it based upon? Read about that, and see what you might see.
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First, thank you for this response and the question at the end. A discussion about scriptures is why I came here in the first place. Thank You.
Yes, Moses interceded on their behalf? So did God take Moses life to pay for their transgression? He had already given them HIS definition of sin, the consequences of rejecting them (Being cut off) on Mt. Sinai.
In the case of "Transgressions" or as it is also known, "SIN", what did God do to cleanse them? What did God set in place for the atonement of sins that Abraham didn't have?
If a man sins, what Did God tell them, through Moses, to Do? Did God say "If a man sins he shall Love the Lord his God with all his might," and his sins are forgiven? Did God say, "if a man sins he shall love his neighbor as himself", and his sins are forgiven?
No. God created a Priesthood Covenant, and gave it specifically to the Tribe of Levi, on Israel's behalf, who God Himself separated from the other 11 tribes of Israel. This Priesthood was given for the exclusive purpose of administering God's Instructions, and for performing sacrificial "works" for the atonement of sins, until the prophesied "Lamb of God" should come.
From Moses to Jesus, there was no other way, by law, for sins to be atoned for.
How can I, or what would be the reason, for me to omit this Biblical Truth from a discussion about the Covenant that the Christ promised to change in Jer. 31? Given that the promised new covenant dealt with only 2 things. #1. How God's Laws are administered. #2. How the sins of God's People are forgiven.
Yes, God foretold the judgments of the nations. What does that have to do with God's Covenant with Levi to provide for the justification of His People who had sinned?
How did God judge between the righteous and the wicked? Why was Noah and Abraham considered just, while the nations of the world were not? And what does this have to do with the Priesthood Law God set up with Levi on Israel's behalf, to atone for their sins? A Law that neither Noah nor Abraham had.
Yes, it is written Abraham believed God. So lets look at what happened then.
Gen. 12:1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
So Abraham believed God. But the men of Sodom didn't believe God.
Gen. 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
I'm not sure the point you are trying to make here?
Well, let me ask you a question here then. If sin is defined by God as Transgression of His Law, then how can sin be in the world before the Law?
Gen. 13:13 But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly.
Paul can't be talking about God's Laws, Statutes, Judgments and Commandments Abraham obeyed and Sodom disobeyed which defined sin.
So what "LAW" is Paul talking about here? What LAW was "ADDED" because of Transgressions of God's Law, the very definition of sin? The Bible says Abraham had God's Laws, Statutes and Commandments that Abraham obeyed and taught his children? But what "LAW" didn't he have? Did He have the Levitical Priesthood God gave the Levites on Mt. Sinai? Was his sin atoned for by a Levite Priest taking the blood of a lamb into the sanctuary which was taken down and put back up on his journey to the promised land?
Because you have been taught to reject even the existence of the Covenant God made with Levi, to the point you will not even acknowledge it, you are not understanding what Paul, who is hard to understand in the first place, is saying here. He is fighting against religious men who do not believe the prophesied "SEED" has come. As a result, they are still following their version of the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "works of the law"" for justification and/or atonement of sins that God "ADDED" because of transgressions of those Laws.
For the Law Paul is talking about "worketh Wrath". And rightly so. A man sins against God, this man is then required to go find an unblemished sacrifice, take it exclusively to a Levite Priest, which is then killed and it's blood, while it is still warm, is sprinkled on an alter inside a veil at the mercy seat of a worldly sanctuary that moved with them. In this way a man was justified, by "works of the law". there was no other way until the promised New covenant came in which God atones for the sins of His People Himself.
But Abraham was justified "apart from the Law" of justification. He was cleansed apart from the Levitical Priesthood sacrificial "Works" God gave to Levi by Covenant on mt. Sinai.
Rom. 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. ("Because Abraham obeyed My Commandments, My Statutes, My Laws")
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, (If only those Jews who were cleansed of their sins by the "Works" of a Levite Priest are heirs) faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
This is confirmed in Galatians.
Gal. 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, (If only those people who are cleansed by the Levitical Priesthood can enter heaven) it is no more of promise: (but of works Abraham didn't have) but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
It is a mistake, in my view, to reject the existence of any of God's Words, especially the Covenant God made with Levi on Mt. Sinai for the atonement of sins. It causes religious men to conclude that it was God's Laws that led men astray as some on this very forum preach. And not what the Scriptures teach, that it was the Shepherds God placed over them that led them astray. Like Jesus, we are born into religions that transgress God's Commandments by their man made doctrines and traditions. It was a tough pill for the religious men of Jesus and Paul's time to swallow, and it is a tough pill for religious men to swallow in our time as well.
In closing just a few scriptures which highlight the reason for the New Covenant.
Jer. 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
Matt. 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mal. 2:4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name. (Ex. 32, look it up)
7 For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts.
8 But ye are departed out of the way; ye have caused many to stumble at the law; ye have corrupted the covenant of Levi, saith the LORD of hosts.
Heb. 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them, (Levite Priests who broke the Covenant God made with them) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
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The lamb slain from the foundation of the earth
This is the for the man subject to the Sinai covenant. The inheritance of the land
Yet Jesus was the lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world. The law of Moses was 430 years after
Ga 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
How many righteous were left in the city? Not even ten. Yet the judge of all the earth, the God of all men said
Gen 18:20 And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21 I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Not even ten left, but God was hearing a great cry. Who were all the many crying out to God?
Ge 4:10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother’s blood crieth unto me from the ground
Ge 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man’s brother will I require the life of man.
Ge 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man’s blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
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Ignoring or omitting Gods covenant with Levi doesn’t make it void. Refusing to separate The Levitical Priesthood from God’s instruction to Israel on how to acceptably Love God and Love one another does not make the separation non existent.
The mainstream preachers of Jesus time refused to separate the Priesthood “works” from Gods covenant with Abraham God gave to Israel. The Mainstream preachers of today are doing the same thing.
I pray that you might consider the Scriptures even if they don’t align with modern religious belief. Actually especially if they don’t align with modern religious belief.
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I would agree the temporal after the tribe of Levi was fulfilled by the order of Melchizedek after the tribe of Judah . its what the discussion in John 3:25 was in respect to. Why Jesus the Son of man from the tribe of Judah was performing the ceremonial law in welcoming new member who had a desire to become a kingdom of priests from all the nations..
The prescription in 2 Corinthians 4 must be applied when mixing faith the unseen eternal with the things seen the temporal (the gospel) .
Then we can understand the mysteries hid from the lost. . . revealed in parables to the born again believers. They teach us how to walk by faith the Christian foundation, and not by sight the pagan foundation.(no faith)
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
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Even Circumcision was always supposed to be of the heart, God Himself said so in the Law and Prophets. God was never interested in the lose skin on a man’s penis, but a change in the heart.
Think about that for a minute.
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Yes, I agree. I also did not state it ever saved. But it was commanded at the time of the physical Israel. Also taught in the Book of Genesis. Do we agree that the NT is more spiritual than the OT was? See adultery.
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At one point it however INDEED was the flesh!
And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. Genesis 17:11
As I stated, not for salvation, but it was still commanded.
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Yes, a sign of covenant made with Abraham........
The carnal commands indeed have been disanulled in the new covenant. Which is inclusive of circumcision.
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
The order of Melchizedek was not/is not according to the carnal ordinances.
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Jesus is in the order of Melchizedek. More likely, the order of Aaron is for the Jews while Jesus is with a higher scope covering both the Jews and the gentiles. He is the Mediator between God and all mankind.
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But so far, you have mad several religious statements, like sins were not taken away, but only covered, and when I show Gods Word which contradicts this popular religious theory taught by the religions of this world, you don’t even acknowledge them.
Not to be judgmental, but to just point out that you seemed more interested in promoting or justifying a doctrine you heard, than actually addressing what was written.
I don’t believe in the religious doctrines and traditions of this world because the Scriptures don’t support most of them.
Just like Adultery, in which you are promoting a popular religious philosophy that the OT didn’t teach men not to lust after certain women in their heart. When the Law and prophets teach not to even look at their nakedness. Or be enticed by their beauty.
I love to talk about the God of the Bible, but for knowledge, not to justify one religious philosophy over another.
I asked you to see what God told David after his sin. Why not post that, and we can talk about “cover vs taken away”. When we come to Gods answer to this question, we can move on to other doctrines of this world to discern. There are many of them.
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I get how important it is to justify the rejection of God’s judgment’s statutes and commandments inspired by God for the admonition of the Body of Christ, According to Paul. But I’m not going to partake in said rejection. Abraham was circumcised of the heart, which is still required to this day, before there was a “token” shown outwardly. I won’t use the token of this circumcision of the heart as justification for sin, or choosing the religious philosophies of this world over God’s judgment Jesus walked in.
I know the matter is extremely important and should be taken seriously. Not used as an excuse to reject other commandments of God.
And also, as Jesus said, men are to live by Every Word of God. Not just those Words which align with one or more of the religious sects and franchises of this world God placed both you and I in.
It was never meant to cut loose skin off the penis before turning to God, but for a token of what had already occurred within the heart.
In my understanding anyway.
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