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The correct understanding is that there is no thousands years gap. Futurism is wrong, together with its concentration on today's secular Israel and todays political news.
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Not a worldwide event
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I think it is pretty straightforward - no flesh on earth would survive. Jesus knew what the planet is.
Luke 21:34-36
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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The proof is right before your eyes in the news everyday. The Jews have control of Jerusalem again, and it is their capital of Israel, a nation born in a single day fulfilling Isaiah 66:8.
The excuse system, as I call it, you are following is not going to work out, solid-core. The end times events are going to continue to take place. At some point, shock is going to set in - when you say to yourself, I can't believe this is happening.
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There is nothing in Jesus's words, in Daniel's words or in the New Testament saying that we should wait for it to happen again. Where do you see that it should happen twice? And if twice, why not three times or 100 times? Its all so baseless.
The era of Judaism already ended, what todays secular Israel does or does not is irrelevant, because they have no other covenant with God than the rest of the world - Christianity.
We are already living in the "new age" that came in the first century generation as Jesus predicted that it will come in His generation, before some of those standing around Him will die.
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The word "earth" in the Bible never meant the whole planet. It never included China or Australia. It was always about the middle East and mostly just about Israel.
For example:
"From noon until three in the afternoon darkness came over all the earth."
Mt 27:45
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The destruction of Jerusalem/temple. The punishment of Israel for all murdered prophets and the murdering of God's Son. The end of sacrifices. The atonement for sins.
Why to repeat it again, 2,000 years after it happened once?
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Jesus did not that there would be a China or Australia?
Revelation 8:
6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.
7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;
11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
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Not a 70 AD repeat. Nor exile of the Jews into the nations again.
The future great tribulation temple will be cleansed of those things that make it desolate.
Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
The 2300 days is on my chart.
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Good point.
From this study, there seem to be many references in Revelation to "the earth" that really mean 1st century Israel:
18 Case Studies for “the earth” As An Indication of 1st Century Israel
1. Revelation 1:7
2. Revelation 3:10
3. Revelation 6:3-4, 8
4. Revelation 6:9-10, 15-16
5. Revelation 7:2-3
6. Revelation 8:5, 7, 13
7. Revelation 9:1, 3-4
8. Revelation 10:1-2
9. Revelation 11:6, 10, 18
10. Revelation 12:12, 15-16
11. Revelation 13:1-3, 8
12. Revelation 13:11-12, 14
13. Revelation 14:3-6, 18-19
14. Revelation 16:1-2, 18-19
15. Revelation 17:1-2, 5
16. Revelation 17:8, 18
17. Revelation 18:3, 9, 11, 23-24
18. Revelation 19:1-2, 19
“The Earth” as a Common Reference to Israel in Revelation: Part 1
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China and Australia were of no concern for the Jews of the 1st century. Thats why they were not asking Jesus about them and thats why Jesus was not talking about them.
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How will you prove that Daniel meant some hypotethical third temple that does not exist instead of the second, after the first one was destroyed? Why do you think that Daniel just skipped the second, Herodian temple that existed in the times of Jesus, which was the most important temple in history, because the Mesisah appeared in it?
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Exactly my point. Therefore its baseless to expect the whole planet to be included in the answer to their question.
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The Shepherd's rod volume 2 gives the clear and accurate answer as to who the Scarlet colored beast and the woman are and what each symbol represents. The truth has already been revealed to one of God's servants.
THE SCARLET COLORED BEAST. Rev.17 111
THE WOMAN RIDING ON THE "BEASTS,"
"HEADS" AND "WATERS." Rev.17 121
Who Is The Woman Riding On The Beast? 121
How Long Has The Woman Been In Existence? 123
Shepherd's Rod Message
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Because the wrath that is received by taking the Mark is the Lake of Fire and the wrath poured out on Babylon is the wrath for the city Babylon.
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The clue is where the people who take the mark will recieve Gods wrath!
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Those scriptures do show its Jerusalem. In fact in Rev 11 its called “the great city.”
All through the OT, If you look up words....harlot, harlot, adulterer, 90 plus percent refer to Jerusalem, israel.
In addition, Babylon is destroyed before the saints rejoice and he shows the NEW JERUSALEM coming down out of heaven. And the 10 kings hate her.....who is hated more than israel? Even Zechariah shows he gathers the nations against Jerusalem in the end.
People need to cross reference scriptures first in Revelation, then throughout scripture, rather than pulling new thoughts of what may match it.
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The wrath was because people worshipped the beast instead of the true God and because they did not repent of their evil deeds.
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Winner, winner chicken dinner.
Israel's goal is a cashless society.
'Toward a cashless society' - Gov't to limit cash transactions - Inside Israel
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And that was signified by their taking the mark of the beast! That mark signified that they took the antichirst to be Lord and Savior instead of Jesus!
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