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Scripture says the beast is a kingdom. A devided kingdom in which there are 11 kings. 10 of which are larger and similar. There is one little one who appears stouter than his fellows. In the midst of this kingdom is a city that sits upon seven hills.


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You have NO IDEA what the "seven hills" represents
or what the "seven kings" represent... or what the "seven heads"
represents... or what the "Beast" represents... or what the "image"
represents... or what the "mark" represents.

And yet... in all this darkness you PRETEND to be able to offer
an "informed opinion" on words you cannot even DEFINE.
That is just hilarious.


Once again you have decided to REJECT what the Bible
says about the LAST "Kingdom/Beast" on earth.
Here is the Biblical TRUTH for you again:

See if you can find ONE VERSE in the Bible to contradict
ANYTHING written below... you cannot because it is
part of the Biblical mysteries revealed as the
Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound"

Come on now... get serious...
You have NEVER seen the harmony of Scripture about
"Babylon the Great" or "Mystery Babylon".

And now that it's right in front of your face
(and you cannot refute a single word) you PRETEND
that intentionally ignoring the truth is some kind
of refutation of the Truth. That's hilarious.


Rev:17:8
The Beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into Perdition: and they
[the Foolish Virgins of the 4th Beast] that dwell on the earth
[during the Great tribulation] shall wonder, whose name
were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the Beast that was,
and is not, and yet is [when the Revelations Beast arises].


The Beast (Kingdom) that John saw "was" because Satan's
spiritual Kingdom "was" ruling before being "bound" at the Cross.
The Beast "is not" because Satan's Kingdom had been "bound" in
the Bottomless Pit during the time John was seeing the vision...
during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom.


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]


The same Kingdom of Satan (the same 7-Headed Beast)
will "go into Perdition" at the end of the "2nd Woe"
as Satan's Kingdom (represented by the Revelation Beast)
is "given unto the Burning Flame" [Dan 7:12] and/or
"cast alive into the Lake-of-Fire" [Rev 19:20].


The Beast that "was" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and during the
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


The Beast that "is not" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom - while Satan was "bound"
in the Bottomless Pit.


The Beast "ascending" out of the Bottomless Pit represents
the Kingdom of Satan during the "1st Woe" or "Fifth Trumpet"
or FIRST Revelation Beast.


And the Beast that "goes into Perdition" is the Kingdom
of Satan as it's destroyed after the "2nd Woe", when the
Fourth Beast, the "Kingdom of Babylon", is Judged by God
and "cast alive" into eternal torment of the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire".


Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, Satan's "Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by the
"harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or "Mountains".
These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of Daniel's
four Kingdoms.


They are one head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion),
another head/king of Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four "heads/kings" from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(Leopard) and the last head/king is from the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John saw
the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom were both
"fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) heads/kings from
Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also "fallen"... for a total
of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.


The one King that "is not yet come" [Rev 17:10] is the
"Little Horn" or "False Prophet" of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven". This is the Seventh "King" that arises
after the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses was "finished"
(after the Great Commission), when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given spiritual "dominion"
over the "Wise Virgins" during the "1st Woe".


It's the Seventh King that led the "Ten Virgins" out of the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven", as we "went forth"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the Seventh King that "overcomes" and then "kills"
the Saints during the Reign of the First Revelation "Beast".
However, the Seventh King only "continues a short space"
[Rev 17:10]. The Seventh King suffers an apparently fatal
wound at the END of the "1st Woe". But later he's resurrected
as the EIGHTH "King"... during the "2nd Woe" or Sixth Trumpet.


Rev 17:11 And the Beast that was, and is not, even he
is THE EIGHTH, and is OF THE SEVEN, and [the Eighth
Head/King] goeth into Perdition.


The EIGHTH King of the Revelations Beast is "of the seven"
because that King is the same "False Prophet" (the 7th King)
after he has been 'resurrected' from his near fatal "wound",
suffered at the end of the "1st Woe". The Eighth King is the
same False Prophet ruling over the First Revelations Beast.
This shows the Fourth Kingdom during the 6th Trumpet
(the "2nd Woe").


It is this Eighth King that made everyone (living in the
4th Kingdom) worship the "image" of the First Beast.
It was this Eighth King that caused everyone (in the
4th Beast) to take the "Mark of the Beast". It was
this Eighth King that was cast alive into the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire" at the end of the 4th Kingdom - as the
Eighth King "goeth into Perdition".


The "Mystery of Babylon" is a New Testament Commentary
on Daniel's Four Kingdoms... from the standpoint of the Apostle
John (the last of four New Testament "Kings"), living before the
Great Commission was finished - and before Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given "dominion" to rule (through
his chief emissary the Anti-Christ) during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".


These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God
should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants
the prophets. [this is the prophecy of the Last Saints]



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Scripture says the beast is a kingdom. A devided kingdom in which there are 11 kings. 10 of which are larger and similar. There is one little one who appears stouter than his fellows. In the midst of this kingdom is a city that sits upon seven hills.


The Bible DOES NOT say there are 11 kings... there are 10.
The "Little Horn" arises AFTER the 10 "kings/horns" arise.
You are so confused.

Again you are talking about words you cannot DEFINE.
I am embarrassed for you.

The ten "kings/horns" of Daniel 7 are the SAME PEOPLE as
the ten "kings/horns" of Revelation 17 and the SAME PEOPLE as
the ten "virgins" of Matthew 25:1-13

In Daniel, these ten "horns/kings" HELP the "Little Horn"
(or THE Anti-Christ) to "set-up" and "place" Daniel's
"Abomination of Desolation".

In Revelation, these ten "horns/kings" HELP the Anti-Christ
as they "give their power to the Beast" and as they all
"agree to give their KINGDOM to the Beast"

Why do you continue to INTENTIONALLY IGNORE
what the Bible says?


If you cannot HARMONIZE these people and events then
you have no hope of understanding Biblical Truth about
these ten "kings/horns/virgins" living in the FOURTH
(Great Tribulation) "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]

But you would actually PREFER to remain "willfully ignorant"
than to HARMONIZE what the Bible says about these
SAME PEOPLE. Amazing.


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Quoting Daniel 7:27 confirms what I've said. The beast is in
the land promised to Abraham. Anyone who knows what the
beast is knows this.

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First, you did not quote Daniel 7:24-7 correctly (or you are
using some modern translation that INSERTS words)


Secondly, while you are correct that Beast = Kingdom...
You have neglected to say WHO the first three Beasts/Kingdoms
represent in history.


If the FOURTH Kingdom/Beast is modern Israel..
Who did the other THREE Beasts represent.



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Here is what JESUS said:


Jesus NAMED the (2nd) Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Mat 22:2 (that is the Second Beast/Kingdom)


Jesus NAMED the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 13 (in 8 verses). That is the Third
Beast/Kingdom on earth


Jesus NAMED the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 25:1
That is the Fourth Kingdom/Beast on earth
and THAT is the context of the Revelation Beast


The ONLY (temporal) "Kingdom of Heaven" that
Jesus did not specifically NAME in Scripture is the
(1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom containing all the saints
from Adam to Noah. (That's the First Kingdom/Beast)


Jesus NAMED the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew chapters 5 and 7 and 8 and 10.....
while the other Kingdoms/Beasts were temporal
the LAST is eternal. While the other Kingdoms/Beasts
contained BOTH saved people and unsaved people
the LAST Kingdom contains ONLY the saved.


Moreover, we see [Mat 8:11] the LAST Kingdom
contains Abraham and Isaac and Jacob... who were
NOT part of the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" or part
of the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".



What amazes me is (1) you cannot DEFINE any of the
Four Beasts/Kingdoms on earth and (2) you cannot DEFINE
what the "image" represents or what the "mark of the Beast"
represents and (3) you do not even realize that the "BEAST"
represents SATAN'S KINGDOM throughout EACH of the
temporal "Kingdoms of Heaven"....


And yet you actually think that, even though you cannot
DEFINE any of these terms you use... you think you can
offer an "informed opinion". That is just hilarious.


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And yet you actually think that, even though you cannot
DEFINE any of these terms you use... you think you can
offer an "informed opinion". That is just hilarious.
I have read most of your very lengthy posts. I doubt if anyone else will have bothered.
You are overly critical of others beliefs, yet your own beliefs are not right in many aspects.
My point is that NONE of us will understand all the Bible prophesies. Why; because God does not want us to at this time.
Here are some verses that tell us that it will only be AFTER the forthcoming Day of the Lords fiery wrath, that His faithful people will truly understand Gods plans for them:
Isaiah 43:8 Bring forward My people, those who have eyes, but are blind. Have ears but, cannot hear.

Ezekiel 12:2 These people cannot see or hear the Word, because they are rebellious.

Jeremiah 6:10 To whom shall I speak, to whom give warning? The people are incapable of listening, for they treat the Lord’s Word as a reproach.

Daniel 12:4-9 Keep the Words secret until the time of the end, many will search hard to find this knowledge, but will not succeed.

But AFTER the Lord has taken action against His enemies; Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, +. THEN we will understand:
Isaiah 29:23-24 ...when My people see what I have done in their midst, then they will praise their Maker and regard the Lord with awe and the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction.

Isaiah 42:18-19 You that are deaf; hear now! You that are blind, look and see!

Isaiah 32:3-4 Then My people will see and hear clearly, those who could not ‘see it’ or ‘hear the prophetic message’, will finally understand and know the truth.
Isaiah 35:5 THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

I find the prophecy in Jeremiah 3:14-18 a very enlightening scripture, that will come to pass soon after the Lords Day of wrath has changed the world. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26
 
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The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.

Really, John was the head?



Arminianism

What specifically is so wrong with this?


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]

Is this Rome?

the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".

Mark 11
"Have faith in God,” Jesus said to them. 23“Truly I tell you that if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and has no doubt in his heart but believes that it will happen, it will be done for him. 24Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

these are SOME of the unsealed mysteries

What are SOME MORE?


shall wonder


Uh oh, I'm wondering...
 
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The promise to Abraham are two separate prophecies. One is Abraham being a great nation that inherits the land of Canaan; the second is in Abraham's seed all the nations of the world would be blessed. This prophecy follows now the same genealogy of the promise that the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent. When we get to Revelation we see the seed of the woman Jesus crushing the head of the serpent and Jesus comes and is king over all the earth. This is where we see life continuing after the 2nd coming and Israel is in the land and the Gentiles are mentioned many places too.
Jer 3 is pretty clear
14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the LORD; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion. 15 And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
16 “Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says the LORD, “that they will say no more, ‘The ark of the covenant of the LORD.’ It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore.
17 “At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the LORD, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts.
18 “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers.

Ezekiel paints the same picture

h you write will be in your hand before their eyes.
21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 The nations also will know that I, the LORD, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.

Ezekiel 47 give the exact land boundaries after the LORD is king over all the earth and the inheritance is by tribe and one of the boundaries is the great sea which in the new Jerusalem there will be no more sea. It also notes the dead sea is healed at this time so it is clearly talking about the same land promised Abraham.
 
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The promise to Abraham are two separate prophecies. One is Abraham being a great nation that inherits the land of Canaan; the second is in Abraham's seed all the nations of the world would be blessed. This prophecy follows now the same genealogy of the promise that the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent. When we get to Revelation we see the seed of the woman Jesus crushing the head of the serpent and Jesus comes and is king over all the earth. This is where we see life continuing after the 2nd coming and Israel is in the land and the Gentiles are mentioned many places too.
Jer 3 is pretty clear
14 “Return, O backsliding children,” says the LORD; “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion. 15 And I will give you shepherds according to My heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
16 “Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says the LORD, “that they will say no more, ‘The ark of the covenant of the LORD.’ It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made anymore.
17 “At that time Jerusalem shall be called The Throne of the LORD, and all the nations shall be gathered to it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem. No more shall they follow the dictates of their evil hearts.
18 “In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given as an inheritance to your fathers.

Ezekiel paints the same picture

h you write will be in your hand before their eyes.
21 “Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; 22 and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
24 “David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. 25 Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever. 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, and it shall be an everlasting covenant with them; I will establish them and multiply them, and I will set My sanctuary in their midst forevermore. 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them; indeed I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 28 The nations also will know that I, the LORD, sanctify Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forevermore.

Ezekiel 47 give the exact land boundaries after the LORD is king over all the earth and the inheritance is by tribe and one of the boundaries is the great sea which in the new Jerusalem there will be no more sea. It also notes the dead sea is healed at this time so it is clearly talking about the same land promised Abraham.

I like Ezekiel account Alot. I'd like to do ittle fishin in the dead sea if the fishin as good as he says it is. :)
 
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I like Ezekiel account Alot. I'd like to do ittle fishin in the dead sea if the fishin as good as he says it is. :)
You can look at the before and after picture from many angles and the dead sea is for sure a clear promise if taken literally. The book of Zech has the Mt of Olives splitting in two and that new valley are a new river that flows year round with one direction given east which would then end up in the dead sea. I will be glad to have a bait shop out there in that day.
 
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You believe God can't keep his promises?
Why do you believe God lied to Abraham?
Abraham believed God.
Why don't you?Will you tell me why you believe God lied to Abraham or not?
Romans 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
The difference is, a literal view provides the same blindness that God placed on the Pharisees. Jesus taught the symbolic view of OT kingdom prophecies. We look at what the symbols represent and find them in history, already fulfilled.
 
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I have read most of your very lengthy posts. I doubt if anyone else will have bothered.
You are overly critical of others beliefs, yet your own beliefs are not right in many aspects.
My point is that NONE of us will understand all the Bible prophesies. Why; because God does not want us to at this time.
Here are some verses that tell us that it will only be AFTER the forthcoming Day of the Lords fiery wrath, that His faithful people will truly understand Gods plans for them:
Isaiah 43:8 Bring forward My people, those who have eyes, but are blind. Have ears but, cannot hear.

Ezekiel 12:2 These people cannot see or hear the Word, because they are rebellious.

Jeremiah 6:10 To whom shall I speak, to whom give warning? The people are incapable of listening, for they treat the Lord’s Word as a reproach.

Daniel 12:4-9 Keep the Words secret until the time of the end, many will search hard to find this knowledge, but will not succeed.

But AFTER the Lord has taken action against His enemies; Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Revelation 6:12-17, +. THEN we will understand:
Isaiah 29:23-24 ...when My people see what I have done in their midst, then they will praise their Maker and regard the Lord with awe and the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction.

Isaiah 42:18-19 You that are deaf; hear now! You that are blind, look and see!

Isaiah 32:3-4 Then My people will see and hear clearly, those who could not ‘see it’ or ‘hear the prophetic message’, will finally understand and know the truth.
Isaiah 35:5 THEN the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

I find the prophecy in Jeremiah 3:14-18 a very enlightening scripture, that will come to pass soon after the Lords Day of wrath has changed the world. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26

Good post. You forgot

1 Cor 13:12 for we see now through a mirror obscurely, and then face to face; now I know in part, and then I shall fully know, as also I was known;
1Cor 13:13 and now there doth remain faith, hope, love--these three; and the greatest of these is love.
1Cor 14:1 Pursue the love, and seek earnestly the spiritual things, and rather that ye may prophecy,
 
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You can look at the before and after picture from many angles and the dead sea is for sure a clear promise if taken literally. The book of Zech has the Mt of Olives splitting in two and that new valley are a new river that flows year round with one direction given east which would then end up in the dead sea. I will be glad to have a bait shop out there in that day.

Based on Matthew 25:31-46, and 2 Peter 3:10-13, and Hebrews 11:14-16, I would not make plans to do anything on this sin-cursed earth after the Second Coming of Christ.

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“For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.” Hebrews 11:10 (KJV 1900)

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.” Hebrews 11:13 (KJV 1900)

“For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.” Hebrews 11:14–16 (KJV 1900)
 
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“For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.” Hebrews 11:10 (KJV 1900)

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.” Hebrews 11:13 (KJV 1900)

“For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.” Hebrews 11:14–16 (KJV 1900)

But you say Abraham will not receive the land that city which God makes comes down to.
When New Jerusalem comes down from heaven from God you believe Abraham will not be around to receive it.

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Jesus said new Jerusalem comes down from heaven. He never says men shall be given wings to fly up to it.
 
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But you say Abraham will not receive the land that city which God makes comes down to.
When New Jerusalem comes down from heaven from God you believe Abraham will not be around to receive it.
It's going to burn up and disappear. Read Peter.
 
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It flooded before and th at didn't stop Noah from living in it.
Besides Ezekiel says the dead sea will be stocked full of the best fishin around.
The promises to Abraham transcend Canaan's space to handle them. Also, the OT prophecies cannot fulfill them unless viewed spiritually.
 
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Based on Matthew 25:31-46, and 2 Peter 3:10-13, and Hebrews 11:14-16, I would not make plans to do anything on this sin-cursed earth after the Second Coming of Christ.

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you got 1000 years in between the 2nd coming and the end of this creation.
 
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Daniel 12:4-9


You said:
I have read most of your very lengthy posts.



I want to thank you for taking the time to read my lengthy posts.
As you can imagine nothing as important or complex as doctrines
about the multiple "Kingdoms of Heaven" or the historical fulfillment
of "Babylon the Great" (and it's relationship to Daniel's Fourth Beast
during the Great Tribulation or Revelation Beast) cannot be revealed
in just a paragraph or two. These doctrines take time to explain.


You said:
I doubt if anyone else will have bothered.


That is both a shame and a surprise.


It's a shame because there is SO MUCH information in there
that is "revealed" mysteries that God keep "closed-up" and
"sealed" until the Last Saints [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10]... so
I would THINK serious Bible students would LOVE to contradict
(or confirm) those doctrines from Scripture - since they are
so much MORE information than the Gospel preached during
the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven". God did PROMISE
that only the Last Saints "shall understand" this new information
so I should not be surprised - it's just the fulfillment of prophecy.


It's a surprise because saints are both commanded and expected
to search the Bible to TEST new doctrines... to either confirm or
refute what is presented. It is the "fruit" of saved people to do
this... and it's a command of the Bible also. So it's surprising to
hear that (you think) people as simply IGNORING the doctrines,
since that is NOT the "fruit" of real saints.


So I can understand people not being able to REFUTE anything
(because it's all revealed Truth) but I am surprised and saddened
to hear that people would just intentionally IGNORE the Scriptures
which were provided (and explained) to them.


You said:
You are overly critical of others beliefs, yet your own beliefs are
not right in many aspects.



Well, that is really TWO separate issues. To the first issue, I can
hardly agree that I am "overly critical" of others beliefs when I
can SHOW they contradict Scripture. Teaching false doctrines
or heresies is a VERY IMPORTANT issue in the Bible and saints
are COMMANDED to expose false doctrines and heresies...
in fact we are commanded to EXPEL such people from the
church if they refuse to comply.


(2) Of course the SECOND issue is whether my doctrines
are "not right in many aspects" as you claim. Let me make
this clear: I am open to correction FROM THE BIBLE but I
have found that, more often than not, people simply present
their "feelings" and DENY what is said instead of finding some
SCRIPTURE to REFUTE what wast said. Therefore, until YOU
(or someone else) can provide SCRIPTURE to refute what
I have said... you comment about "not right" is meaningless.


Listen, I understand that I have the OBLIGATION to use
SCRIPTURE to support my doctrines (I have done that)
however YOU (or others) must also use SCRIPTURE to
refute what I said BEFORE you can say it is "not right"...
AND your Biblical "proof" must be in the right CONTEXT.
Example: I does no good to present a passage talking
about the Gospel of the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
when mysteries revealed or the "Kingdom of Heaven"
AFTER the Christian Kingdom [Mat 25:1]


You said:
My point is that NONE of us will understand all the Bible prophesies. Why; because God does not want us to at this time.



But that is just your personal "feelings" (above).

The Bible is clear the Last Saints "shall understand" Biblical
prophecies which were "closed-up" and "sealed" to all saints
until the Last Saints. And, obviously, saints could not understand
prophecies about the end-time events until God decided to reveal
those mysteries to (again) the Last Saints. However, I contend
that we ARE AT THAT TIME and you contend otherwise...
which gets us BACK to the issue of using Scripture
to either confirm or refute the doctrines presented.


You said:
Here are some verses that tell us that it will only be AFTER the forthcoming Day of the Lords fiery wrath, that His faithful people will truly understand Gods plans for them:



But that is my point EXACTLY. We are PAST the end of the
Second Woe [Rev 11:14] and in the period when the Seventh
Trumpet "begins to sound". THIS IS THE PERIOD when we see
the fulfillment of Daniel 12:4 and 12:8-10 when the Last Saints
"shall understand" the Biblical mysteries God keep "sealed" and
"closed-up" to all saints (until the Last Saints) and we are in the
period Jesus PROMISED Last Saints "shall see ALL these things".


So MY POINT is the information I am providing about the mysteries
of Daniel's prophecies and historical fulfillment of Great Tribulation
events is being preached NOW... during the "Season and Time" on
earth as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound"



So you are proving NOTHING when you send passages that
PROMISE the Last Saints "shall understand" Biblical mysteries
[Dan 12:8-10] or passages that PROMISE these Last Saints
"shall see all these things" [Mat 24:15 and 24:33]....


I have already PREACHED end-time mysteries remain "sealed"
until the Last Saints PREACH about them... but I am saying
(very clearly) the Last Saints are NOW preaching about these
Biblical mysteries (and mysteries from the "open book") as the
Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound".



I am a little confused because you SAID you read my posts and
yet you apparently MISSED all the times when I said that these
doctrines were FULFILLING the PROMISES about the Last Saints.
Maybe you did not READ my comments closely enough.


So I have PROVIDED you with SCRIPTURES about the mysteries
revealed by the Last Saints... and your response is (essentially)
this information is "sealed" until preached by the Last Saints.



Your comment only AGREES with what I have been saying.
Now HERE is where we are: If you think there is ONE VERSE
in the Bible that REFUTES anything I have said in the posts then
you should just PRESENT that chapter and verse. Can you do that?



But you have not even TRIED to REFUTE anything I have said...
you have only claimed you COULD do so, and then you send me
passages CONFIRMING my message that God kept these mysteries
"sealed" until the Last Saints.


So...

(1) I have given you information about the "Kingdoms of Heaven"
related to Daniel's prophecies [Dan 12:8-10] you cannot refute
anything by sending me Dan 12:8-10... you have to send me
Scriptures contradicting WHAT I said. Can you do that?

(2) I have given you information about "Babylon the Great"
being fulfilled throughout Daniel's Four Beasts and ENDING with
the Fourth Beast... which is the SAME as the Revelation Beast and
the SAME as the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the
SAME as experiences of the "ten virgins" of the Fourth Kingdom.
You need to send Scriptures contradicting WHAT I have said.
Can you do that? Just ONE VERSE.


(3) I have given you information showing that God's Judgment
BEGINS with the "House of God". That God FIRST Judges the
"wise virgins" of the Fourth Beast and THEN God Judges the
"foolish virgins" of the Fourth Beast. And FINALLY God Judges
Satan and the "Kingdoms of Man". You need to send me
Scriptures contradicting WHAT I have already said.
Can you do that? Can you send just ONE VERSE?


So, I appreciate you sending verses that PROMISE God would
keep these Biblical mysteries "sealed" until the Last Saints preach
them... that is what I have been preaching. Now, if you want to
REFUTE something I have preached... simply select what doctrine

you want to REFUTE and send Scriptures that contradict anything
that I have said about that doctrine. Can you do that?


I sincerely HOPE that you try.
Because the information I presented to you has already been
TESTED by (literally) HUNDREDS of the most esteemed theologians
teaching at some of the most prestigious seminaries in America and
NONE of them could find even ONE VERSE in the Bible to contradict
anything I have preached. I hope YOU do better than those
Bible "experts".


BTW... Post 10 talks about "Babylon the Great"
Post 11 (to you) talks about the 4 "Kingdoms of Heaven"
Post 12 (to you) talks about Rev 17 and 2 Pet 4:17 and
(very importantly) the "Final Harvest" of the Last Saints.

You should just show Scriptures that contradict ANYTHING
in those three (3) posts. But, until you do, you should not
be so careless as to say the information revealed by the
Last Saints is "not right in many aspects".



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