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You keep saying the tens horn attack the Vatican.
Revelation says they give thier power and strength to the beast and it attacks Jerusalem.
You have to copy and paste verses and underline/or highlight the text for me to know what you are referring to.
 
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Here's my take:

There are seven kings. But five has fallen.

Five fallen kings represents the most powerful empire in history.

1) The Persian Empire
2) The Roman Empire
3) The Caliphate
4) The Mongol Empire
5) The British Empire

Ref: 5 Fallen Kings

Kings coming soon:

6) The False Prophet (2nd beast)
7) The False Christ (1st beast)
8) The Serpent who belongs to the 7th King for they are one -- the false Christ is Satan incarnate.

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The Ten Horns - They are the ten Presidents / Prime Ministers / Kings from the powerful nations on earth. Perhaps, USA, Canada, Russia, China, Japan, Great Britain, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Italy, and France.
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“The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages." -- This could be Christianity that has fallen away (apostasy) to take the mark and worship the beast. Fallen Christianity became a prostitute. The beast and the ten horns will hate the prostitute and will destroy her.
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"The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth.” -- This could be Washington D.C., the seat of power of the most powerful nation on earth - The United States of America.

That's it for now.
 
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I think that Babylon is a biblical code name for Jerusalem.

Possibly also for Rome, but Rome was not destroyed in the wrath of the first century, so it pushes the possibility to be lower.

The author of Revelation said that these things must come quickly, the 5th century (the destruction of Rome) is not too quick.
 
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Here's my take:

There are seven kings. But five has fallen.

Five fallen kings represents the most powerful empire in history.

1) The Persian Empire
2) The Roman Empire
3) The Caliphate
4) The Mongol Empire
5) The British Empire

Ref: 5 Fallen Kings

Kings coming soon:

6) The False Prophet (2nd beast)
7) The False Christ (1st beast)
8) The Serpent who belongs to the 7th King for they are one -- the false Christ is Satan incarnate.
Daniel 7
the lion - Babylonian empire
the bear - medes/persian empire
the leopard - greek empire
fearsome beast - Roman Empire


First six of the 7 kings of the Roman Empire
Julius Caesar
Augustus Caesar
Tiberius Caesar
Caligula Caesar
Claudius Caesar
Nero Caesar

King 7
end times little horn - leader of the EU.
temporarily becomes the King of Israel, coming in his own name, the Antichrist
will be killed and comes back to life as....

King 8
the beast - dictator of the EU.
 
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Daniel 7
the lion - Babylonian empire
the bear - medes/persian empire
the leopard - greek empire
fearsome beast - Roman Empire


First sixi of the 7 kings of the Roman Empire
Julius Caesar
Augustus Caesar
Tiberius Caesar
Caligula Caesar
Claudius Caesar
Nero Caesar

King 7
end times little horn - leader of the EU.
temporarily becomes the King of Israel, coming in his own name, the Antichrist
will be killed and comes back to life as....

King 8
the beast - dictator of the EU.

It made sense until you tried to push contemporary EU into the story. Its a totally different era, 2,000 years after Nero.
 
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Babylon symbolizes the false religion of the GT and all those who participate. It's a bit like how all Christian form a single woman who is a bride, same how all the deceived in the GT form this Babylon figure.
I see. thank you for this
Ronit
 
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It made sense until you tried to push contemporary EU into the story. Its a totally different era, 2,000 years after Nero.
The era is different. And so is the Roman Empire.
 
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A cunning interpretation there!

Indeed, once the world sees what happens in Israel, it will do everything it can to avoid the same fate!

This is the power of the faith, that in laying down their lives, they provide for the way of others to live again.
 
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The era is different. And so is the Roman Empire.
If you operate with the possibility that there can be 2,000 years gap in Daniel's prophecy, then you can also operate with a gap of 10,000 years or 100,000 years and so its not the EU of today, but can be something absolutely different. Or the USA. Or South America. Or Australia. Or Canada. All are horns or the Roman Empire, if you wish.

Such prophetic explanations are baseless and wild.

Daniel prophecised about world's empires till the coming of Christ. Christ came during the fourth empire, during the Roman empire. He was the rock that spread throughout the whole earth, into all kingdoms.

Daniel, therefore, was not talking about modern times, after the rock filled the earth.
 
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If you operate with the possibility that there can be 2,000 years gap in Daniel's prophecy, then you can also operate with a gap of 10,000 years or 100,000 years and so its not the EU of today, but can be something absolutely different. Or the USA. Or South America. Or Australia. Or Canada. All are horns or the Roman Empire, if you wish.
Well I could, but Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree generation to know it is at the door - this generation.
 
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Well I could, but Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree generation to know it is at the door - this generation.
Exactly. Jesus clearly said it will happen in His generation. The first century. The classic Roman empire.

Jesus brought the kingdom. The rock filled the earth.

To suddenly bring the EU into the explanation does not make any sense.
 
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Exactly. Jesus clearly said it will happen in His generation. The first century. The classic Roman empire.

Jesus brought the kingdom. The rock filled the earth.

To suddenly bring the EU into the explanation does not make any sense.
The fig tree in the parable represents Jerusalem and the Jews within. But the putting forth of leaves of the fig tree is not the first century generation of Jerusalem and Jews who rejected him as their king.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The "it is near" is all the events from Matthew 24:15 to Matthew 24:30.
 
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The fig tree in the parable represents Jerusalem and the Jews within. But the putting forth of leaves of the fig tree is not the first century generation of Jerusalem and Jews who rejected him as their king.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The "it is near" is all the events from Matthew 24:15 to Matthew 24:30.
Exactly. Jews in the first century could know the end of Judaism is near, at the doors. Jesus was saying this in lets say 30 AD, it happened between 66-70AD (3.5 years).

Exactly as Jesus said - "this generation will not pass till it all be fulfilled".

Where do you see another 2,000 years inserted into that? Generation is 40-70 years, not 2,000 years.
 
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Exactly. Jews in the first century could know the end of Judaism is near, at the doors. Jesus was saying this in lets say 30 AD, it happened between 66-70AD (3.5 years).

Exactly as Jesus said - "this generation will not pass till it all be fulfilled".

Where do you see another 2,000 years inserted into that? Generation is 40-70 years, not 2,000 years.
The events in Matthew 24:15 to Matthew 24:30 are end times. The Olivet discourse in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, and the parallel in Luke 21, Jesus gave the near term, the long term, the end times future of Israel and the Jews.

"this generation should not pass" is the generation in the parable. The parable of the fig tree generation began in 1967 when Jerusalem came back in control of the Jews. Apply the 70 years for a generation to them.

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The events in Matthew 24:15 to Matthew 24:30 are end times. The Olivet discourse in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, and the parallel in Luke 21, Jesus gave the near term, the long term, the end times future of Israel and the Jews.

The parable of the fig tree generation began in 1967 when Jerusalem came back in control of by the Jews. Apply the 70 years for a generation to them.

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I do not know why you want to complicate things so much and connect the first century with the 21st century.

End of times = end of Judaism, end of the temple, of sacrifices, of Jewish line of salvation, the end of "one kingdom of God in Israel vs pagan kingdoms". The kingdom of God became the kingdom of all various nations throughout the earth.

God brought His judgement over Israel in the first century. The worst tribulation that has ever been.
 
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Yes, Daniel ends his vision of four empires (Babylonia, Persia, Greece, Rome) with the coming of Christ (the rock) who was supposed to come in the time of the fourth empire - Rome.

It all happened in the first century. Its not about the EU. Jesus fulfilled it.

I guess you are simply mistaken the "end" with some supposed end of the universe/planet? Thats why you want to push it more to the future?
 
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Yes, Daniel ends his vision of four empires (Babylonia, Persia, Greece, Rome) with the coming of Christ (the rock) who will come in the time of the fourth empire - Rome.

It all happened in the first century. Its not about the EU.
In the internet age.

Knowledge shall be increased.

EU base formed by the treaty of Rome, 1957.

Luke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
 
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Daniel prophecised about world's empires till the coming of Christ. Christ came during the fourth empire, during the Roman empire. He was the rock that spread throughout the whole earth, into all kingdoms.

Problem I have with this is that God was revealing to that Gentile ruler about physical kingdoms that would arise and fall, physical ones. So Nebuchadnezzar would have naturally thought the last kingdom, that of God would be physical too. If God meant something different you don't see any indication of it in the vision.
 
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In the internet age.

Knowledge shall be increased.

Its not a determination of "when". If we want to know "when", then we must look at the image of the statue - the rock (and the end) will come during the time of the "iron legs", which was the Roman empire in the 1st century. There is no 2,000 years gap.

Also you should know that this verse about the knowledge is not present in Septuagint, only in masoretic text. So its not a very certain verse.
 
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