Not a worldwide event

shilohsfoal · Jun 19, 2020

Revelation 14:9 And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Revelation 14:10 he too will drink the wine of God's anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

If the mark of the beast is given worldwide as many claim, and God has promised to give everyone who takes it the wine of his wrath to drink, then why does God only give his wrath to Babylon and not the entire world?

Revelation 16:19 KJV: And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

Douggg · Jun 19, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
Revelation 14:9 And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Revelation 14:10 he too will drink the wine of God's anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

If the mark of the beast is given worldwide and God has promised to give everyone who takes it the wine of his wrath to drink, then why does he only give it to Babylon and not the entire world?

Revelation 16:19 KJV: And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

The great Babylon in Revelation 16:19 is a code name for Satan and his angels' mystical kingdom that has been holding sway over the nations.

To anyone taking the mark, they can expect God's condemnation. Regardless of where they are in the world.

shilohsfoal · Jun 19, 2020

Douggg said:
The great Babylon in Revelation 16:19 is a code name for Satan and his angels' mystical kingdom that has been holding sway over the nations.

That's sounds alot like a scary movie.
Did you see my question I posted?

ewq1938 · Jun 19, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
Revelation 14:9 And a third angel followed them, calling out in a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives its mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Revelation 14:10 he too will drink the wine of God's anger, poured undiluted into the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented in fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

If the mark of the beast is given worldwide and God has promised to give everyone who takes it the wine of his wrath to drink, then why does he only give it to Babylon and not the entire world?

Babylon symbolizes the false religion of the GT and all those who participate. It's a bit like how all Christian form a single woman who is a bride, same how all the deceived in the GT form this Babylon figure.

Douggg · Jun 19, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
That's sounds alot like a scary movie.
Did you see my question I posted?

I saw it, but I may not have understood it the way you intended it to be understood.

shilohsfoal · Jun 19, 2020

Douggg said:
I saw it, but I may not have understood it the way you intended it to be understood.

I try to pick the right words so people can understand me but I mess that up sometimes where no one understands me.

shilohsfoal · Jun 19, 2020

Douggg said:
I saw it, but I may not have understood it the way you intended it to be understood.

OK I changed the wording. Can you understand it now or did I make it harder to understand?

Douggg · Jun 19, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
I try to pick the right words so people can understand me but I mess that up sometimes where no one understands me.

I think you have made a mis-connect Babylon the great in Revelation 16, God's wrath on it, and God's wrath on them who take the mark of the beast. The two are separate.

One is on human beings (them who taken the mark). The other of God's wrath is on Satan and his angels' mystical kingdom and them who have profited from it's wickedness.

shilohsfoal · Jun 19, 2020

Douggg said:
I think you have made a mis-connect Babylon the great in Revelation 16, God's wrath on it, and God's wrath on them who take the mark of the beast. The two are separate.

One is on human beings (them who taken the mark). The other of God's wrath is on Satan and his angels' mystical kingdom and them who have profited from it's wickedness.

According to revelation, Babylon is described as a city full of people from many nations and speak many tongues. It's like a city full of immigrants from all over the world.

Revelation 17:18 And the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."

Revelation 17:15 KJV: And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Douggg · Jun 19, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
If the mark of the beast is given worldwide as many claim, and God has promised to give everyone who takes it the wine of his wrath to drink, then why does God only give his wrath to Babylon and not the entire world?

They are two separate things. Individuals, and a Kingdom.

God wrath on the Kingdom of Babylon the great - is world wide. The great city divided into three parts - is a figurative city, but divided into three parts literally is talking about the entire earth's crust. Causing the cities of the nations to fall.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

shilohsfoal · Jun 19, 2020

Douggg said:
They are two separate things. Individuals, and a Kingdom.

God wrath on the Kingdom of Babylon the great - is world wide. The great city divided into three parts - is a figurative city, but divided into three parts literally is talking about the entire earth's crust. Causing the cities of the nations to fall.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Doug. A city is not the world.
They are two different things.

Revelation 18:24 KJV: And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

I know you might want to believe the blood of Gods prophet is spread all over the world. But a prophet can not die outside of Jerusalem.

Luke 13:33 Nevertheless, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day, for it is not admissible for a prophet to perish outside of Jerusalem.

Douggg · Jun 19, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
According to revelation, Babylon is described as a city full of people from many nations and speak many tongues. It's like a city full of immigrants from all over the world.

Revelation 17:18 And the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."

Revelation 17:15 KJV: And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

When people take the name of the beast - are they them self the beast, or under sway by the beast?

Likewise, the woman with the inscription is under the sway of the Mystery Babylon the Great.

The woman herself is Rome, in particular, the Vatican located in Rome, and present in the nations around the world, followed by many people. The Vatican will be burnt to the ground during the reign of the beast.

shilohsfoal · Jun 19, 2020

Douggg said:
When people take the name of the beast - are they them self the beast, or under sway by the beast?

Likewise, the woman with the inscription is under the sway of the Mystery Babylon the Great.

The woman herself is Rome, in particular, the Vatican located in Rome, and present in the nations around the world, followed by many people. The Vatican will be burnt to the ground during the reign of the beast.

Luke 13:33 Nevertheless, I must keep going today and tomorrow and the next day, for it is not admissible for a prophet to perish outside of Jerusalem.

Douggg · Jun 19, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
Doug. A city is not the world.
They are two different things.

Revelation 18:24 KJV: And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

I know you might want to believe the blood of God prophet is spread all over the world. But a prophet c as n not die outside of Jerusalem.

Literally, a city is not the world.

But Babylon the Great is not a literal city. In Revelation 18, it is being likened to a great trading city that suddenly meets it's demise, because it grew rich on wickedness.

God's wrath is poured out in remembrance of Babylon the Great, the wickedness of Satan and his angels' kingdom.

...of all that were slain upon the earth.

shilohsfoal · Jun 19, 2020

Douggg said:
Literally, a city is not the world.

But Babylon the Great is not a literal city. In Revelation 18, it is being likened to a great trading city that suddenly meets it's demise, because it grew rich on wickedness.

God's wrath is poured out in remembrance of Babylon the Great, the wickedness of Satan and his angels' kingdom.

...of all that were slain upon the earth.

You say Babylon is not a literal city yet God literally says it is.

Revelation 17:18 And the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."

Douggg · Jun 19, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
You say Babylon is not a literal city yet God literally says it is.

Revelation 17:18 And the woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."

The text says "the woman" is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth. Rome, the Vatican.

The inscription on her head is who is holding sway over that woman - a different city called Mystery Babylon the Great - Satan and his angels mystical kingdom - mother of harlots and abominations of the earth.

shilohsfoal · Jun 19, 2020

Douggg said:
When people take the name of the beast - are they them self the beast, or under sway by the beast?

Likewise, the woman with the inscription is under the sway of the Mystery Babylon the Great.

The woman herself is Rome, in particular, the Vatican located in Rome, and present in the nations around the world, followed by many people. The Vatican will be burnt to the ground during the reign of the beast.

Revelation 18:24 KJV: And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

In her was found all the righteous blood shed upon earth.

Matthew 23:35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
Matthew 23:36 Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

shilohsfoal · Jun 19, 2020

Douggg said:
The text says "the woman" is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth. Rome, the Vatican.

The inscription on her head is who is holding sway over that woman - a different city called Mystery Babylon the Great.

You believe the Vatican rules over kings?
Does the Vatican even have a military?
In the meantime Jerusalem is dropping bombs in Syria.

Douggg · Jun 19, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
Matthew 23:35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
Matthew 23:36 Truly I tell you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Matthew 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling!

...for rejecting Jesus.

shilohsfoal said:
Revelation 18:24 KJV: And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

In her was found all the righteous blood shed upon earth.

You are making a mis-connection. The Satan and his angels had influenced them who Jesus was condemning in Matthew 23:35-37. Which Jesus in other passages referred to the scribes and pharisees' father as the devil.

Douggg · Jun 19, 2020

shilohsfoal said:
You believe the Vatican rules over kings?
Does the Vatican even have a military?
In the meantime Jerusalem is dropping bombs in Syria.

Name a single world leader who condemns the Pope ?

The woman is said to be a harlot. But she herself was not said to be the mother of harlots - instead Mystery Babylon the Great, Satan and his angels' kingdom, is said to be the mother of harlots and abominations on the earth.

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