How do we prove we're not racist

Noxot · Jun 19, 2020

Quartermaine said:
"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal." Ron Paul

"even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense... for the animals are coming."Ron Paul

“opinion polls consistently show only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions,” Ron Paul

"Martin Luther King” as a “world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours,seduced underage girls and boys, and made a pass at” fellow civil rights leader Ralph Abernathy" Ron Paul

because of Ron Paul's character I can give him the benefit of the doubt.

Making Ron Paul look like a racist was a high priority because he was a libertarian trying to win as a Republican. some of those quotes might be attributed to him but he claims that he did not make them. If he said something about Martin Luther King and it was true then how is that racist? It was disappointing for me to find out that Martin Luther King cheated on his wife.

Noxot · Jun 19, 2020

Here are some Ron Paul quotes

Blacks make up 14% of those who use drugs, yet 36 percent of those arrested are blacks and it ends up that 63% of those who finally end up in prison are blacks. This has to change.

More than half the people getting the death penalty are poor blacks. This is the one place, the one remnant of racism in our country is in the court system, enforcing the drug laws and enforcing the death penalty.

How many have been executed? Over 200, I wonder how many were minorities? You know, if you're rich, you usually don't meet the death penalty.

One of the worst aspects of the census is its focus on classifying people by race. When government tells us it wants information to help any given group, it assumes every individual who shares certain physical characteristics has the same interests, or wants the same things from government. This is an inherently racist and offensive assumption.

The census, like so many federal policies and programs, inflames racism by encouraging Americans to see themselves as members of racial groups fighting each other for a share of the federal pie.

Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups.

Ken-1122 · Jun 19, 2020

Quartermaine said:
it's called white privileged

Yeah; white privilege, black privilege, brown privilege; we’ve been over this already.

Quartermaine said:
i didn't and don't take offense you did.

I took offense because it suggests only one view is important and all other views are to be dismissed.

Quartermaine said:
and how is that discrimination?

More like profiled and mistreated due to his appearance.

Quartermaine said:
yes because institutionalized racism is independent of any individual.

That’s in line with the description I gave.

Quartermaine said:
Its the precociousness assumptions that people make that is the source.

Wait; how can institutional racism be independent of any individual, yet be the preconsciousness assumptions that people make? Either it is independent of individuals, which means it can’t be based on assumptions people make, OR it is dependent on the individual and based on preconsciousness assumptions people make. Pick one!

Quartermaine said:
Most people don't realize they are engaging in it and when it's pointed out defense mechanisms snap into place and denials and a quick retreat from the topic.

What you seem to be describing is not what Stokely Carmichael meant when he coined the term “institutional racism”. What you are describing is individual racists in a position of power, illegally using their power to discriminate. White’s aren’t the only race guilty of doing that ya know!

Quartermaine said:
If i am driving and pulled over by police I have no reason to be afraid of the police officer.

Neither do I, unless I am in a high crime violent neighborhood; then everybody gets treated like a suspect for obvious reasons, and the cop is more than likely a black cop; so race isn’t an issue.

Quartermaine said:
I don't worry about keeping my hands in sight. If i am stopped it was because i made a traffic violation not because of the color of my skin.

Same here

Quartermaine said:
I assume that i can and will have a positive relationship with the police officer because i am a white middle aged man.

I can assume I will have a positive relationship with the police officer as well and I am a middle aged black man.

Quartermaine said:
I don't see (unless i think about it) that i am being racially profiled to and that profile is largely positive. Not fearing the police is a privilege.

Perhaps it is for you, but for me it is a constantly reinforced expectation.

Ken-1122 · Jun 19, 2020

Strathos said:
Seems like an unnecessarily narrow requirement to me.

No, it's in line with the point that I was making.

Strathos · Jun 19, 2020

Ken-1122 said:
No, it's in line with the point that I was making.

No clue what that is, though.

Rugged Cross · Jun 19, 2020

There is no way proving one way or the other, because if someone has decided that you are a racist for whatever reason you are likely to lose the argument. It is only God who knows the truth and He is far greater judge to fear than any human. The best we can do is live as Jesus instructed - "Love Your Neighbour as Yourself". When He said that there were no sub-clauses that defined colour, race or creed - No, He meant everyone.

Ken-1122 · Jun 19, 2020

Strathos said:
No clue what that is, though.

I was asked to provide an example of black privilege, I mentioned Jussie Smollett (among others) who faked a racist hoax, and was let off the hook by the prosecuting attorney who was a friend of Smollett. You mentioned a white guy who did the same thing as Jussie, except he was prosecuted and went to jail. You are actually making my point!

Quartermaine · Jun 20, 2020

Noxot said:
because of Ron Paul's character I can give him the benefit of the doubt.

Making Ron Paul look like a racist was a high priority because he was a libertarian trying to win as a Republican. some of those quotes might be attributed to him but he claims that he did not make them. If he said something about Martin Luther King and it was true then how is that racist? It was disappointing for me to find out that Martin Luther King cheated on his wife.

Fact Check FACT CHECK: Ron Paul Personally Defended Racist Newsletters

Strathos · Jun 20, 2020

Ken-1122 said:
I was asked to provide an example of black privilege, I mentioned Jussie Smollett (among others) who faked a racist hoax, and was let off the hook by the prosecuting attorney who was a friend of Smollett. You mentioned a white guy who did the same thing as Jussie, except he was prosecuted and went to jail. You are actually making my point!

Guy? And it sounds like you just said that there was a conflict of interest in the case.

KCfromNC · Jun 20, 2020

Jok said:
Such as? Which racist policies or laws are in existence?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...c1087f7583_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_2

Hazelelponi · Jun 20, 2020

Our entire legal system is predicated upon the belief that you can't necessarily prove a negative, therefore overwhelming evidence must be provided along with the charge, with which to refute or affirm any charge.

Therefore just saying "your racist" is meaningless, it's one individuals opinion devoid of any factual evidence.

If I say "your racist" then I must have evidence. If I say your racist because you did such and such, and such and such is racist behavior, then you have something to either refute or deny.

Social justice is predicated upon the notion that white individuals are guilty for the crimes of literally anyone, regardless of time or space, that held or holds the same skin color. As such, social justice is antithetical to the American way of thinking in our modern day, and has more in common with the mindset that slavers once held than the mindset of the typical American. Just as slavers dehumanized blacks, so social justice attempts to dehumanize whites.

Noxot · Jun 20, 2020

Quartermaine said:
Fact Check FACT CHECK: Ron Paul Personally Defended Racist Newsletters

I read that one and this one too Ron Paul, In 1996, 'Did Not Deny' Controversial Statement In Newsletter

A small minority of people are Libertarians and that is already enough to get people to misunderstand the meaning of some of the things he said. He could have said certain things without racist intentions and not said other things which someone in his organization said... that he did not check due to being a very busy person and having faith in certain people that he trusted but turned out to be bad apples.

see, I can say things too just like the news people who have an agenda. Except I give him the benefit of the doubt due to his character as I have said before. it comes out as something completely different than if I just believe he's a racist and then make everything conform to that.

Ken-1122 · Jun 20, 2020

Strathos said:
Guy? And it sounds like you just said that there was a conflict of interest in the case.

Okay; so it was a woman instead of a guy. Still your example did not refute my claim that black privileges exist as well.

Ken-1122 · Jun 20, 2020

KCfromNC said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...c1087f7583_story.html?itid=lk_inline_manual_2

I could not read the article, because I refuse to subscribe to whatever subscription they were selling, but what is racist about voter ID laws?

Strathos · Jun 20, 2020

Ken-1122 said:
Okay; so it was a woman instead of a guy. Still your example did not refute my claim that black privileges exist as well.

I never said they didn't, in fact I even provided an example. I was just pointing out an example of something you asked for. Furthermore, you specifically mentioned that there was a conflict of interest, which wasn't a case in the other situation.

2PhiloVoid · Jun 20, 2020

Aldebaran said:
It seems to be in vogue these days to accuse a person who is white of being a racist. The person being accused of this seems to have no way of defending themselves against such an accusation other than to claim they aren't racist, which then leads to the circular reasoning of, "That's exactly what a racist would say!". Not much different from a witch trial.

Then what would be proof for a white person that they aren't racist? Having black friends? Giving reparation money to a black person for slavery committed by ancestors? Bowing down or kneeling to a mob of rioters? Putting a "Black Lives Matter" bumper sticker on your car?

The best people to answer the question might be someone who finds themselves seeing racism in white people and society on a regular basis.

We don't need to prove it; we just need to work to make society actually equitable for all people of all skin hues and backgrounds (except for outright criminals, of course).

Daniel Marsh · Jun 20, 2020

The first time a black friend used the word racist about a woman we just met. I thought he was talking about racing cars or running a race. I said, I think she is too heavy or fat to run very far.

He explained the meaning to me. He also, explained why some people use the word cracker. I asked if using the word chocolate was permissible or a bad thing. He said, it depends if you are referring to sweet or bitter.

I told him that a girl I like by name is definitely sweet. He suggested I ask her if I can spend some time with her. Her and me became good buddies. Years later, My wife was pulled over in Inkster by someone I knew in elementary school. I asked him how his wife was doing. He married the same girl I became buddies with. Since, it was a speed trap, he let us off with a warning and a dinner invitation which we accepted. He also, gave us a list of speed traps in the area in different cities.

Ken-1122 · Jun 20, 2020

Strathos said:
I never said they didn't, in fact I even provided an example. I was just pointing out an example of something you asked for.

I asked for an example of a white actor playing a racist hoax against black people, and getting away with it without even a hint of public scorn. You provided an example of a white nobody committing a racist hoax, and going to jail for it. The example you provided had nothing to do with what I asked for.

Strathos said:
Furthermore, you specifically mentioned that there was a conflict of interest, which wasn't a case in the other situation.

Yes! Conflict of interest, and there was no public outrage. Had there been a white actor getting away with such a crime due to “conflict of interest” there would be public outrage not only resulting in the prosecution of the white actor, but the removal of the prosecuting attorney.

Strathos · Jun 20, 2020

Ken-1122 said:
I asked for an example of a white actor playing a racist hoax against black people, and getting away with it without even a hint of public scorn. You provided an example of a white nobody committing a racist hoax, and going to jail for it. The example you provided had nothing to do with what I asked for.

I don't see why being an actor is relevant. And IIRC there was and still is tons of public scorn for the guy. Most people view him as an attention harlot at best.

Yes! Conflict of interest, and there was no public outrage. Had there been a white actor getting away with such a crime due to “conflict of interest” there would be public outrage not only resulting in the prosecution of the white actor, but the removal of the prosecuting attorney.

You know that somehow?

Ken-1122 · Jun 20, 2020

Strathos said:
I don't see why being an actor is relevant.

Because everybody knew who the actor was. He was a well known popular person. My point was based on public perception of the event. Because the actor was considered black, public perception was different than it would have been had the actor been white.

Strathos said:
You know that somehow?

Based on public outrage by white actors and popular people (Rosanne Barr and Papa John) who did a tiny fraction of what this popular actor did, and suffered severe consequences due to public outrage.

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