Was the Sabbath given to man at creation as a special day to worship God?

Did Adam and Eve keep each seventh-day Sabbath?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 37.0%
  • No

    Votes: 17 63.0%

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Should I? If so, why...if not, why?


Because He is Lord, YHWH The Lord God who created the heavens and the earth.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Hebrews 1:8-10



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Jesus Christ is Lord; YHWH the Lord God.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” Romans 10:9-13

Jesus is the name of the Lord, YHWH.

Jesus is the name ABOVE ALL NAMES.

JLB

Yes, Jesus, the man that was tortured and killed by religious men who called HIS Father their God, was raised from the dead by His Father, who sent Him to speak HIS Fathers Words, and do His Father's Will.

And this man Jesus obeyed God, HIS Father and my Father, unto death, even the death of the cross.

Is this the Jesus you are talking about?
 
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Why is it "funny"? Avraham was the father of both Jews (through Sarah and Isaac and then Yaakov/Israel) and Arabs (through Hagar and Ishmael).
ONLY the Isaac line was recognized by Yahweh!
 
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Jesus Christ is Lord; YHWH the Lord God.


that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved.” Romans 10:9-13


Jesus is the name of the Lord, YHWH.

Jesus is the name ABOVE ALL NAMES.



JLB

So you did not answer my question, you just posted a scripture and your statement. What makes you think that Yeshua is YHVH. Isn't He part of it. I and my Father are one (Echad?). Who was He speaking to on the cross, to Himself? Who was He speaking to in the gan of Gathsemene? What does the Shema mean to you?
 
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Yes, Jesus, the man that was tortured and killed by religious men who called HIS Father their God, was raised from the dead by His Father, who sent Him to speak HIS Fathers Words, and do His Father's Will.

And this man Jesus obeyed God, HIS Father and my Father, unto death, even the death of the cross.

Is this the Jesus you are talking about?


Absolutely!

The only Begotten Son of God, who became flesh.


What I’m saying is, before He became flesh, He is the Lord God of Israel; YHWH the Lord God.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Hebrews 1:8-10


The Son created all things, the heavens and the earth.


He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Colossians 1:15-17


Do you believe this?






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Absolutely!

The only Begotten Son of God, who became flesh.


What I’m saying is, before He became flesh, He is the Lord God of Israel; YHWH the Lord God.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Hebrews 1:8-10


The Son created all things, the heavens and the earth.


He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
Colossians 1:15-17


Do you believe this?

JLB

I believe the verses you quoted. I don't think you understand what they mean.

He was the Christ, part of the "US" in Gen. 3:22. He created life at the behest of His Father, and gave men HIS Father's Judgments, and Sabbaths according to the Will of His Father. But He risked all of that to become a mortal being to fulfill His Role as the Unblemished Lamb.. Had HE sinned, there was no one to pay HIS Penalty. And He was raised from the dead, and given a name above all others because of His Faithfulness to His Father and my Father, not as a God, but as a flesh and blood man.

He received Praise for God His Father, not because HE was God, because He didn't come to earth as God. But because HE was "obedient" to His Father and my Father unto death.

This is why I honor HIS Words, both as the Word of God which became Flesh, and the Flesh this Word of God became.
 
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He was the Christ, part of the "US" in Gen. 3:22


Yes.

He is YHWH, the Lord God.


I believe the verses you quoted. I don't think you understand what they mean.


Or maybe you don’t realize who Jesus Christ really is.


He and His Apostles believe that He is the Lord God, YHWH, the One Who created all things. Who laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands
. Hebrews 1:8-10


This is a direct quote from Zechariah —


The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1


The Lord goes on to say...


“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:10



The Son, YHWH the Lord God, created all things —



He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:15-16



again




In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. John 1:1-3



looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13



again




Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 2:1


again




And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16




JLB
 
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Yes.

He is YHWH, the Lord God.





Or maybe you don’t realize who Jesus Christ really is.


He and His Apostles believe that He is the Lord God, YHWH, the One Who created all things. Who laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands
. Hebrews 1:8-10


This is a direct quote from Zechariah —


The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1


The Lord goes on to say...


“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:10



The Son, YHWH the Lord God, created all things —



He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:15-16



again




In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. John 1:1-3



looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13



again




Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 2:1


again




And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16

JLB

So then He said: "Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;"

7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.


He said: "And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments."

He said: "I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

He said; And God spake all these words, saying, I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

If religious men really believe He is the "I AM", then why don't they "do" as HE says?
 
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Doing what Jesus does is the result of knowing who He is.



Jesus Christ is the Lord God.

Our Savior.

Our Lord.

Our God.


He created all things.


He is YHWH, the Lord God.


He and His Apostles believe that He is the Lord God, YHWH, the One Who created all things. Who laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands
. Hebrews 1:8-10


This is a direct quote from Zechariah —


The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1


The Lord goes on to say...


“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:10



The Son, YHWH the Lord God, created all things —



He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:15-16



again




In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. John 1:1-3



looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13



again




Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 2:1


again




And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16




JLB
 
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Doing what Jesus does is the result of knowing who He is.



Jesus Christ is the Lord God.

Our Savior.

Our Lord.

Our God.


He created all things.


He is YHWH, the Lord God.


He and His Apostles believe that He is the Lord God, YHWH, the One Who created all things. Who laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.


But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And:
You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands
. Hebrews 1:8-10

This is a direct quote from Zechariah —

The burden of the word of the LORD against Israel. Thus says the LORD, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1

The Lord goes on to say...

“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. Zechariah 12:10

The Son, YHWH the Lord God, created all things —

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Colossians 1:15-16

again

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. John 1:1-3

looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, Titus 2:13

again

Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 2:1

again

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16

JLB

If you believe HE is the Creator God of the Earth, Then why don't you do as HE says?
 
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Doing what Jesus does is the result of knowing who He is.
Jesus Christ is the Lord God.
Our Savior.
Our Lord.
Our God.
He created all things.
He is YHWH, the Lord God.

He and His Apostles believe that He is the Lord God, YHWH, the One Who created all things. Who laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of His hands.
...

True - and in Hebrews 8 we are told that it is HE who gives His commandments at Sinai
 
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In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete...
Hebrews 8:13

as Gal 3 and Romans 3 point out - when a person accepts Christ as savior they come under the New Covenant and are no longer condemned by the "obey and live" rulership of the Old Covenant ... by which all mankind is lost today apart from the gospel.

1. The old covenant still exists - it is the covenant according to Paul in Romans 3:19-22 under which all mankind are lost - still to this very day
2. the New Covenant is in the OT - Jer 31:31-34
and is unchanged in the NT Hebrews 8:6-12.
It is the "ONE Gospel" of Gal 1:6-9
that was "preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8
"preached to us JUST AS it was to them also" Heb 4:2

which is how Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in glory in Matthew 17 - before the cross.

1 Cor 10
2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.


in Gal 3 and Rom 3.

Gal 3
11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.” 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “He who practices them shall live by them.

That is the "Obey and Live" rule off the Old Covenant

Gal 3
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

The "Gospel" was preached to Abraham Gal 3:8

The Old Covenant was "obey and live".

Rom 3:19-22 the single rule by which all to this very day are lost - apart from the Gospel

19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
...23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

All are lost under the Old Covenant - still to this day and no one is released from it apart from accepting Christ as Savior... apart from the Gospel.
 
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2. the New Covenant is in the OT - Jer 31:31-34
and is unchanged in the NT Hebrews 8:6-12.


Totally False.

The scriptures teach us the law of Moses has been abolished, set aside, taken out of the way.


The book of Hebrews says it has indeed changed.


For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12






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In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete...
Hebrews 8:13

as Gal 3 and Romans 3 point out - when a person accepts Christ as savior they come under the New Covenant and are no longer condemned by the "obey and live" rulership of the Old Covenant ... by which all mankind is lost today apart from the gospel.

1. The old covenant still exists - it is the covenant according to Paul in Romans 3:19-22 under which all mankind are lost - still to this very day
2. the New Covenant is in the OT - Jer 31:31-34
and is unchanged in the NT Hebrews 8:6-12.
It is the "ONE Gospel" of Gal 1:6-9
that was "preached to Abraham" Gal 3:8
"preached to us JUST AS it was to them also" Heb 4:2

which is how Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in glory in Matthew 17 - before the cross.

1 Cor 10
2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.


in Gal 3 and Rom 3.

Gal 3
11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.” 12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “He who practices them shall live by them.

That is the "Obey and Live" rule off the Old Covenant

Gal 3
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”— 14 in order that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we would receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it. 16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ. 17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise. 18 For if the inheritance is based on law, it is no longer based on a promise; but God has granted it to Abraham by means of a promise.

The "Gospel" was preached to Abraham Gal 3:8

The Old Covenant was "obey and live". "saved by grace through faith" is the Gospel that was preached to Abraham Gal 3:8 - we call it the "New Covenant"

Rom 3:19-22 the single rule by which all to this very day are lost - apart from the Gospel

19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
...23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

All are lost under the Old Covenant - still to this day and no one is released from it apart from accepting Christ as Savior... apart from the Gospel.

Totally False.

If "you say so"??..
Well at least I can agree that not everyone will enjoy the Bible texts I quoted.

The scriptures teach us the law of Moses has been abolished, set aside, taken out of the way.

If "you say so"??

The book of Hebrews says it has indeed changed.

It says the Law regarding priesthood changed... it does not say that the command to not take God's name in vain has been abolished.

details matter.

For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. Hebrews 7:12

it does not say that the command to not take God's name in vain has been abolished.
 
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as Gal 3 and Romans 3 point out - when a person accepts Christ as savior they come under the New Covenant and are no longer condemned by the "obey and live" rulership of the Old Covenant ... by which all mankind is lost today apart from the gospel.


Amen.
 
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It says the Law regarding priesthood changed... it does not say that the command to not take God's name in vain has been abolished.


You need to learn about the Abrahamic Covenant of which we who are “in Christ” are grafted into.


The New Covenant is the “renewed” or “refreshed” Abrahamic Covenant.


The law was added to the Abrahamic Covenant until the Seed should come.


By saying “until” the Holy Spirit is indicating the law of Moses was temporary.



Remember that Abraham obeyed His Commandments and laws.


Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws. Genesis 26:5


The Abrahamic Covenant was predicated on this command...


  • walk before Me and be blameless


When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless. Genesis 17:2


Walk before Me
Walk with Me
Walk in my Presence
Walk in the Spirit
Walk in the light as He is in the light


The way we, as Abraham did, are to walk in covenant relationship with the Lord, is to remain in His Presence, or abide in Him, in which we are empowered to keep His Commandments and obey Him.


I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. Galatians 5:16


When we walk with Him His Spirit teaches us in which we receive His Commandments and laws by faith; Faith comes to us, is imparted to us, when we hear His word, when He speaks to us.


For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Romans 8:14



JLB
 
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