Will you really go to hell if you commit suicide?

JI4M said:

What if your in severe, unbareable, excrutationg physical pain with no end in sight?

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THIS IS MY LIFE - 16 YEARS NON STOP HORRIBLE NEAR BROKEN BONE PAIN, CAN BARELY SLEEP WAKE UP EVERY 20 MIN, DREAM IN PAIN. NON STOP , STILL HAVE TO WORK BECAUSE DOCTORS CANT FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS THAT CAUSES THE PAIN THUS ITS IN MY HEAD THEY SAY

I CAN TOTALLY UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WOULD OFF THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF PAIN!!!!

I REALLY HOPE NONE OF YOU EVER UNDERSTAND!

ABCthings said:

The above examples aren't suicide but sacrifice.
e.g Samsons sacrificed his life to ensure the death of his enemies.

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that was mentioned in my post. But the thing that one should note that although the form is killing one self, the driving motive is what makes it a sacrifice. If it was someone who did it just to kill theirselves, the end result physicially is the same, but the motive is different, and it frames the situation differently.

nolidad said:

Haven't read all peoples answers but the biblical answer is no!!!

A person only goes to hell because they have no trusted in the death and physical resurrection of Jesus for their sins. When one becomes a believer, ALL their sins are wiped clean including suicide! Not to encourage or promote it, but no sin can keep a bleiever out of the lake of fire.

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It is a good thing to remember that no matter how bad of a sin you commit, it doesn't come close to how good of a saviour Jesus is.

Strong in Him said:

I don't believe that anyone who is happy, secure in Christ, knows they are loved and has a good life would be tempted/encouraged to take their own life, even if someone else says it's ok and not a sin - they would simply be too happy, secure etc to do so.
Those who think of taking their own lives are those who are depressed, severely mentally ill, have a terminal illness and/or dreadful circumstances and are in such pain/turmoil that they can see no other way of ending that pain. Even if the reality were that they have friends/family who would be horrified and miss them terribly, they, themselves, really believes that they are a burden on others and that no one would miss them.

If someone were in hell in this life, through no fault of their own, and ended their life, would God condemn them to hell in the next? I don't believe so, personally.

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I'd normally agree that suicide is destructive to more than just the person who commits it, everyone has family and loved ones that would be emotionally destroyed knowing someone they cared for took their own lives. But there is one exception for me and that's the terminally ill who are suffering and just don't want to live and suffer anymore.
It's such a tough judgement for me to make. On the one hand, yes, murder is sin but my conscience really wants there to be a compassionate way out for someone in that much pain that has no hope of recovery, and even having worked in NICU, babies who are newborn but missing organs and have nothing but misery and no hope of survival. It's just the most gut wrenching thing to know there is nothing you can do for them but pray for a miracle and mercy from the Lord to end their suffering.
When I had a dog who was on his last legs.. dying of heart failure. It made me sad to have him put to sleep but at the same time it was a relief that they no longer suffered.
and a lot of the time .. for the terminally ill.. I want there to be a way out for them too.
For a human.. it's better because if they know the Lord.. you know that for them to die is to gain, they go to the Lord, and you will see them again, without the pain of their final days.
But when we just have to let them suffer like that, and there is no way out, it hurts me so much more than if they took their own life in that situation.
I cannot bear their suffering, I want them at peace with the Lord.
Lord have MERCY on these people, their suffering may seem inconsequential in the larger scope and compared to the glory that is to come but in that moment of their weakness it is very real and significant.

Have mercy upon me, O Lord; for I am weak: O Lord, heal me; for my bones are vexed. My soul is also sore vexed: but thou, O Lord, how long?

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Jamdoc said:

It is a good thing to remember that no matter how bad of a sin you commit, it doesn't come close to how good of a saviour Jesus is.

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No matter how far we descend, His Love is deeper still...to raise us again.

JI4M said:

Hi Everyone,

I know this question has been asked a million times so thank you for answering if you do.

So if you commit suicide, will you got hell? And can you point me to passages in the Bible where this is talked about, especially about the hell part?

My daughter's father commited suicide years ago and I would like to know how to answer this when it comes up. I am also curious to know myself. It haunts me to think of him being in hell, however, don't sugar coat it for me. Tell me the truth because I really need to know the truth. Thank you.

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Would be wrong of me to put myself in God's seat and give a yes or a no. God is going to judge the living and the dead. The outcome for each person is individual, whether you die from suicide or anything else. What we can do is trust in God's mercy in Jesus Christ. He knows all things from the beginning to the end and his judgement will be without blemish, no one will be judged unfairly. He knows what he is doing, we have a great God! Rest in that my friend!

Strong in Him said:

Never said they did.



I know.



It does if a person's life has been so awful that they can't "see" God - if they regard "love" as sex or abuse, if they had a dad who was an alcoholic and beat them, and they have no idea what a loving father is like. If someone with that kind of background were to hear the Gospel, they MIGHT not be able to accept; blame God for not stopping the abuse etc - I've heard enough people saying, "if God really loved me, he would/wouldn't have ....."

I haven't had anything like that kind of background, but it took me years to understand, and accept, that God loved me - not because I did anything right with my endless church going, but simply because he created me and he IS love. If I had taken my own life when I was a teenager, or a few years later when I had M.E and lost my job; would I have been saved, even though I didn't fully grasp the Gospel or how much God loved me? I, at least, went to church, read the Bible and prayed - sometimes I was scared of God's disapproval if I didn't.
Some people are so hurt or damaged by their background, or life, that they wouldn't go near a church and might be unable to respond to the Gospel if they heard it.
What would happen then? I don't know; I'm not God. But I trust and know his mercy and love.

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Well Strong, I went through a life that is similar to what you wrote! I can only tell you this. If a person does not trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus for the full payment of their sin (born again) their is no plan B. God is omniscient and He knew before He even created the universe that I would go through what I did! He did not save me because He felt basd because I endured so much terribleness, He saved me because I trused in the gospel message- there is no other way of salvation- no matter how terrible a life a person was forced to endure.

Strong in Him said:

Never said they did.

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Yeah you kinda did in post 78:

Strong in Him said:

Those who think of taking their own lives are those who are depressed, severely mentally ill, have a terminal illness and/or dreadful circumstances and are in such pain/turmoil that they can see no other way of ending that pain. Even if the reality were that they have friends/family who would be horrified and miss them terribly, they, themselves, really believes that they are a burden on others and that no one would miss them.

If someone were in hell in this life, through no fault of their own, and ended their life, would God condemn them to hell in the next? I don't believe so, personally.

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nolidad said:

Well Strong, I went through a life that is similar to what you wrote! I can only tell you this. If a person does not trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus for the full payment of their sin (born again) their is no plan B.

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I know that.
What I'm saying is that someone may have such an awful life that they are unable to hear/accept the Gospel. People have said, "well if there is a God, he's punishing/doesn't like me", or "no one would believe in a God of love if they'd seen/experienced the kinds of things that I have" - it happens. Some may be unable to hear/accept the Gospel due to learning disabilities or Mental Health problems. And if, while in the grip of those problems/depression/psychosis they were to take their own life, I believe God is compassionate.

In such cases, it's not that they have heard the Gospel and deliberately rejected it - i.e they know that God loved them unconditionally, they just don't want it - it's more like that they haven't been able to hear it properly, for one reason or another.
And the greatest horror of all? That a non believer might look at the church, with its many denominations/arguments/bad behaviour and say "if they represent God, I don't want to know".
The awful thing about that is that some people might look at them and say, "you don't go to church, therefore you're not Christians", without realising that it might be their own behaviour that has contributed to that.

nolidad said:

Yeah you kinda did in post 78:

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I said it is my belief that if someone has had a hellish life here on earth, never heard, or been able to hear, the Gospel and chose to end their life because it was such hell, and they were depressed, that God would have mercy.

Whether that mercy meant ministering to them at the very point of death, or soon afterwards, or saying, "I know you would have accepted Christ had you not been suicidal", I've no idea; no one knows.

I'm saying that I cannot conceive of a God of love watching while someone struggles with the hell of depression/bi polar/a life time of abuse or whatever, doing nothing to help and then, when that person ends their life in pain and despair, saying "you didn't accept the Gospel, your life on earth was a picnic compared with what awaits you now."

Strong in Him said:

I said it is my belief that if someone has had a hellish life here on earth, never heard, or been able to hear, the Gospel and chose to end their life because it was such hell, and they were depressed, that God would have mercy.

Whether that mercy meant ministering to them at the very point of death, or soon afterwards, or saying, "I know you would have accepted Christ had you not been suicidal", I've no idea; no one knows.

I'm saying that I cannot conceive of a God of love watching while someone struggles with the hell of depression/bi polar/a life time of abuse or whatever, doing nothing to help and then, when that person ends their life in pain and despair, saying "you didn't accept the Gospel, your life on earth was a picnic compared with what awaits you now."

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agreed

I think their punishment will be less.. but as Paul wrote in Romans 1:20, God is apparent even in Nature and that is enough to condemn people of their sins because "they should know better", but not enough to save.

I have to wonder if God would be merciful towards someone who realized he was created, and chose to worship whoever created him even if he did not know the name, and lived according to his conscience. They cannot be saved because they did not hear the gospel, but I'd hope their punishment is less than a murderer, but they will still undoubtedly sin, and be condemned for it

JI4M said:

Hi Everyone,

I know this question has been asked a million times so thank you for answering if you do.

So if you commit suicide, will you got hell? And can you point me to passages in the Bible where this is talked about, especially about the hell part?

My daughter's father commited suicide years ago and I would like to know how to answer this when it comes up. I am also curious to know myself. It haunts me to think of him being in hell, however, don't sugar coat it for me. Tell me the truth because I really need to know the truth. Thank you.

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No. You don't go to hell if you commit suicide. What is suicide? It is a sin. What did Jesus Christ do with all sins? He forgave sins at the cross; long before this gentleman killed himself. God is not counting the sins of the world against us (2 Corinthians 5:19; 1 John 2:2). People will say that a person who takes their own life didn't have the opportunity to ask forgiveness. Therefore, they would go to hell. You don't have to ask God to forgive you of sin He is no longer counting against you. If your daughter's father was in Christ, he is with the Lord. If not, then he is not. The only sin that sends a person to hell is unbelief in Jesus Christ (John 3:18; John 16:9). Be encouraged.

Strong in Him said:

I know that.
What I'm saying is that someone may have such an awful life that they are unable to hear/accept the Gospel. People have said, "well if there is a God, he's punishing/doesn't like me", or "no one would believe in a God of love if they'd seen/experienced the kinds of things that I have" - it happens. Some may be unable to hear/accept the Gospel due to learning disabilities or Mental Health problems. And if, while in the grip of those problems/depression/psychosis they were to take their own life, I believe God is compassionate.

In such cases, it's not that they have heard the Gospel and deliberately rejected it - i.e they know that God loved them unconditionally, they just don't want it - it's more like that they haven't been able to hear it properly, for one reason or another.
And the greatest horror of all? That a non believer might look at the church, with its many denominations/arguments/bad behaviour and say "if they represent God, I don't want to know".
The awful thing about that is that some people might look at them and say, "you don't go to church, therefore you're not Christians", without realising that it might be their own behaviour that has contributed to that.

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I am sorry strong, but the answer from God and His Word is still no! There is no salvation outside of accepting the gospel message! There is no plan B for people who have been abused all their lives. While we may feel extreme compassion for people like this- apart from trusting in the Lord Jesus, no one gets saved.

Strong in Him said:

I said it is my belief that if someone has had a hellish life here on earth, never heard, or been able to hear, the Gospel and chose to end their life because it was such hell, and they were depressed, that God would have mercy.

Whether that mercy meant ministering to them at the very point of death, or soon afterwards, or saying, "I know you would have accepted Christ had you not been suicidal", I've no idea; no one knows.

I'm saying that I cannot conceive of a God of love watching while someone struggles with the hell of depression/bi polar/a life time of abuse or whatever, doing nothing to help and then, when that person ends their life in pain and despair, saying "you didn't accept the Gospel, your life on earth was a picnic compared with what awaits you now."

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I know this is hard to hear based on the circumstances you wrote hypothetically (though I am sure there are legions who live lives of misery on earth). BUT it doesn't matter what we think, perceive or feel- what matters is what teh Word of God says!

We have you wanting to see saved people who did not accept Christ on this earth due to terrible problems.

Then we have those who say those who never heard the gospel get their own chance to be saved based on how they followed their conscineces.

So we have three+ plans of salvation based on what people feel, when Gods revealed Word to us to live by, says there is only one way to get to heaven and that is to trust in the Lord in this life! Yes even a death bed confession will save a soul!

nolidad said:

I am sorry strong, but the answer from God and His Word is still no! There is no salvation outside of accepting the gospel message! There is no plan B for people who have been abused all their lives. While we may feel extreme compassion for people like this- apart from trusting in the Lord Jesus, no one gets saved.

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Well if that's what you think; so be it.
You may be right; you may be wrong. You may be sitting in heaven one day and see a, formerly, mentally ill person/person with learning disabilities who ended their own life be admitted, and ask the Lord why he didn't stick to the rules. Or you may get to heaven and hear the Lord say, "you were correct; I am as harsh as you made me out to be."

nolidad said:

I know this is hard to hear based on the circumstances you wrote hypothetically (though I am sure there are legions who live lives of misery on earth). BUT it doesn't matter what we think, perceive or feel- what matters is what teh Word of God says!

We have you wanting to see saved people who did not accept Christ on this earth due to terrible problems.

Then we have those who say those who never heard the gospel get their own chance to be saved based on how they followed their conscineces.

So we have three+ plans of salvation based on what people feel, when Gods revealed Word to us to live by, says there is only one way to get to heaven and that is to trust in the Lord in this life! Yes even a death bed confession will save a soul!

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For those who hear the Gospel, have it explained to them, have the chance to ask questions/think about it; yes, they accept it or reject it.
I'm saying that not everyone hears, or understands, the Gospel.
I'm saying that there are some who cannot grasp that God loves them, because they hate themselves/no one has ever talked of love without demanding sex. I am saying that some of these people might be so depressed/mentally ill that they end their lives, rather than live in hell any longer.
I am saying that I believe the Lord has compassion on anyone like this, and would not say "you were mentally ill, through no fault of your own, could not understand the Gospel, through no fault of your own, and therefore didn't respond to it, so therefore you will be treated exactly the same as someone who KNEW the Gospel but chose to deliberately reject it."

God is judge, and I leave it to him.
But I believe he is also compassionate and merciful.

JI4M said:

Hi Everyone,

I know this question has been asked a million times so thank you for answering if you do.

So if you commit suicide, will you got hell? And can you point me to passages in the Bible where this is talked about, especially about the hell part?

My daughter's father committed suicide years ago and I would like to know how to answer this when it comes up. I am also curious to know myself. It haunts me to think of him being in hell, however, don't sugar coat it for me. Tell me the truth because I really need to know the truth. Thank you.

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We don't really know, we just practically go by what we believe on this (which is all different).

Christians back then in majority did believe suicide is "auto-hell". However these views are probably developed before we understood mental illnesses. One of the biggest ills that Christians have is a massive form of self-absorption that they think their views are right because of the belief that God supports their thoughts, hence being completely dense about the lives of other people.

For me, I do not believe God sends someone to hell for suicide depending on what it is. Life really does suck, we are born and put in a "prison" we never asked for. We are prone to develop psychological problems because of whatever reasons. I don't think God is callus, cold, unreasonable, and insensitive towards the lives of other people and why they may have succumbed to their emotional pains.

JI4M said:

Hi Everyone,

I know this question has been asked a million times so thank you for answering if you do.

So if you commit suicide, will you got hell? And can you point me to passages in the Bible where this is talked about, especially about the hell part?

My daughter's father commited suicide years ago and I would like to know how to answer this when it comes up. I am also curious to know myself. It haunts me to think of him being in hell, however, don't sugar coat it for me. Tell me the truth because I really need to know the truth. Thank you.

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*Answering the OP directly. I haven't read the whole thread*

The answer to this question depends on what particular "brand" of Christianity you follow.

In my "Faith Group" yes, kill yourself-straight to hell. Don't pass go. However, if you have a frank conversation with many Catholics like me, we will unofficially say that God is also sovereign and may do whatever he desires. So in Catholicism, it is written than one has committed "self-murder" and was not able to repent of it.

Fast forward to the Reformation and Church Doctors like Calvin taught the doctrine of “Perseverance” which means that if someone once receives regenerating grace, they will persevere till the end. Another way of putting it is that the gift of regeneration and the gift of final perseverance are always given to the same people

I think the largest reformed church is Presbyterian. Many Church of Christ,or just Reformed Church of........

What is universal to any Church is that God is Sovereign. He can do whatever he wants with any human soul. In my logical, non-religious thinking, why would God take someone who's life is already such a hell on Earth that they can no longer bear the pain of it and send them to further suffering.

Suffering brings righteousness. Someone suffering silently with depression is bearing a burden that I don't believe they will be punished for. I personally don't even believe that hell is permanent but I get jumped on for believing that way. We are fallible creatures, God knows this. Jesus proved God's love for us and how far he will go to save our souls by taking bodily form and suffering on the cross so that we might be reconciled. He won't abandon those who suffer in this broken world where the wealthy and the wikis rule.