shilohsfoal
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You believe the apostles(Israelis) put thier faith in thier own strength or in Gods?
By the time Gog invades Israel 1000 years after the beast is destroyed, Israel will be under new management.
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You believe the apostles(Israelis) put thier faith in thier own strength or in Gods?
By the time Gog invades Israel 1000 years after the beast is destroyed, Israel will be under new management.
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Ezekiel 38 makes it plain that the people occupying all of the holy Land when Gog attacks, are not the people who are there now.
This attack will happen more than 7 years before Jesus Returns.
Do not make the mistake of thinking the reference to the horde of Gog Magog in Revelation 20:8, is the same attack.
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So you believe no one living in Israel today could possibly be chosen by God and saved by Christ?
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You wouldn't ask such a question if you knew the Bible prophesies better.
Isaiah 4:3, Isaiah 6:13, Isaiah 28:1-4, Zechariah 13:8, Romans 9>27 and many others say: of Judah, a remnant will be saved.
My point, that you fail to address; is that all the people who currently inhabit all of the holy Land, will be removed on the Day of the Lords fiery wrath. Jeremiah 12:14
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So you believe God will not save a remnant of israel but will destroy all of Israel.
You seem to contradict God an awful lot.
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No. Esther tells an entirely different story.
I contradict your beliefs.
Please clarify who you are meaning by 'Israel'.
I have always said that a remnant of Jewish Israel will be saved.
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Then you shouldnt say the nation in Israel will not be there when Gog invades Israel because many of them may be. As I said. They will just be under new management. Insted of thier current government, they will have a king. Christ.
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But there will be a vast multitude of people from every race, nation and language there, John sees them in Jerusalem, soon after the Sixth Seal disaster.
Ezekiel 38-39 never mentions a King, Jesus doesn't Return until all that is over.
Proved by how The Lord will display His power and we will know Him thru the fact of His destruction of Gog and his army.
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The sixth seal is not a "disaster", in the manner you are presenting it as a solar flare, coronal mass ejection, that destroys most of the population in the middle east. It is the revealing of the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.
When you choose replacement theology, that the church has become Israel, you have no basis for the parable of the fig tree.
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Where do you find ancient weaponry if the battle is still the future? Why would "Russia" want to steal Israel's cattle? As Haman's goons intended to do?
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Revelation 6:12-17;
I watched as the Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, – At this moment a Coronal Mass Ejection will explode out from the sun. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 3:8, Jeremiah 23:19 Triggered by the attack onto Israel, as per Psalms 83, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 50:1-3, 2 Peter 3:7
There was a violent earthquake – The microwave effect of the short wave spectrum penetrates the earth’s crust, triggering worldwide earthquakes by tectonic plate movement. Haggai 2:6, Deuteronomy 32:22, Isaiah 26:18-20, Amos 8:8-9, Psalms 18:7
The sun turned black as a funeral pall – Acts 2:20 The approaching mass of the CME will obscure the sun. Joel 2:31, Amos 5:20
The moon became a red as blood – Joel 2:31 The superheated hydrogen plasma strikes the moon and causes a thermoluminescent reaction with the metallic oxides of the moon dust. As well as: the bright red reflection of the initial flash. Isaiah 30:26a
The stars in the sky fell like ripe figs – All our satellites crash to earth, this is a known effect of the pressure wave of a CME. Isaiah 34:4, Isaiah 28:2
The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up – Our magnetosphere and atmosphere facing the sun are pushed aside by this multi billion ton pressure wave of superheated hydrogen plasma. Jeremiah 30:23, Isaiah 34:4, 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, Isaiah 51:6
Every mountain and island moved from their place – Tectonic plate movement caused by the microwave effect. Deuteronomy 32:22, Jeremiah 4:23-24, Habakkuk 3:6, Isaiah 13:13 Also may cause a magnetic pole reversal.
Everyone from high to lowly hid themselves – every person on earth will be terrified by what is coming and they scramble for cover. Ezekiel 7:15-19, Zephaniah 1:3 & 11, Luke 21:25-26
They called out: Hide us from the wrath of the Lamb – People will dive for cover and most will survive, as they see this disaster approaching. The main mass of a CME will take 24 - 36 hours to arrive on earth. Isaiah 2:19, Isaiah 28:21-22, Jeremiah 25:38, Luke 23:30
For the great Day of the Lord has come and who can stand? Deuteronomy 32:22, Ezekiel 7:7, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Joel 1:15.
This is the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times throughout the Bible, it is this terrible event that enables the establishment of a One World Government. But those who took heed of the warnings, Isaiah 26:20-21, took shelter and at the same time called to the Lord for protection, Acts 2:21, 1 Peter 1:5, Psalms 68:1-3, Joel 2:32 & 3:16 and will receive the great blessings the Lord has for His faithful Christian people.
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The discussion here at present is; Who are the people in the holy Land when Gog attacks?
Several of the prophesies about the Sixth seal worldwide disaster, say the Lord will destroy all weapons of war then. Jeremiah 25:32, Hosea 2:18, Psalms 46:9, Psalms 76:3
Gog's army may have rifles and some vehicles, but as all the manufacturing facilities will have been destroyed, oil and ammunition will be in very short supply. Most of the troops will have to use swords and there are plenty of horses still in use, in Mongolia, etc.
Ezekiel 38:3 makes it clear that it is the Lord who motivates G/M to attack.
The people they attack will be wealthy, as the Treasure of the nations will come to them, Haggai 2:6-9
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The people who will be living in the proomised land when Gog invades will be those who are resurrected in the first resurrection.
Because they can not die, they don't need defences.
They have no need for weapons or walls.
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So you believe those who are beheaded for thier witness of Jesus and then come back to life will die a second death?Really?
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But where are getting a mass number of person killed in the text of the sixth seal? I can read of men being afraid when they see Jesus, in the text. But not of any mass destruction of the earth's population, when the heavens part.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
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Yes, Lazarus died again and the dead man in Luke 7:15, plus the boy Elijah revived.
The Trib martyrs are 'brought back to life', no mention of immortality.
Maybe those resurrected martyrs will live for the entire 1000 years of the reign of Jesus, but it will not be until they stand before God on His GWT, Revelation 20:11-15, that they and everyone whose names are in the Book of Life; will receive immortality.
If you have been taught and believe, anything else, you have believed a lie.
You don't see the 100+ other scriptures describing the Day of the Lords fiery wrath? Here's an eye-opener for you:
Deuteronomy 32:41 When I set My hand to judgement, My sword will devour flesh.
Isaiah 28:21-22 The Lord will arise and storm with rage, destruction is decreed upon the earth.
Isaiah 66:16 He will judge with fire, many will be slain by Him.
Isaiah 34:5 For My sword is prepared, it descends in judgement on those doomed for death.
Isaiah 51:6 The sky will be dispersed like smoke and the people will die like flies.
Jeremiah 25:33 Those that the Lord kills on that Day will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be mourned or buried, they will be as dung on the ground.
Isaiah 63:1-6 The Lord comes from the nations, His garments splashed with blood, His Day of vengeance had come and He tramped on them and spilled out their blood.
Psalm 37:20 Evil people will die, they will be incinerated and go up in smoke.
Isaiah 13:12 Humans will become scarce, more rare that fine gold.
Ezekiel 30:4-5 Egypt will suffer anguish...her slain will fall along with all the Arab lands.
Zephaniah 1:3 & 11 I shall destroy humans and animals, I shall bring the godless to their knees. Dire distress will come to sinful peoples, their blood and guts will spill on the ground.
Jeremiah 9:22 Corpses will lie like dung in the fields, with no one to gather them.
Ezekiel 21:3 My sword of judgement will kill both the righteous and wicked alike, from the Negev, Northward.
Jeremiah 11:16 Once you were My people, now with a great noise, you will be burned & consumed.
Isaiah 5:25 His anger is roused against His people and as He strikes them down the mountains shake. Their bodies lie like refuse in the streets.
Ezekiel 32:6 I shall drench the land with blood, the villages will be filled with it.
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