The kingdom of heaven

According to St. Paul who is the seed of Abraham? And who are the heirs of this promise?

-CryptoLutheran

shilohsfoal said:

God made a promise to Abraham to give to him and his seed a certain property in the middle east. There are boundaries to this property. Thus far Abraham nor his seed have received this property. Now there are some who say Abraham no longer wanted the land promised to him. There are others who say Abraham lives in the clouds and therefore wouldn't want to live on the earth. But there's one problem with this thinking. It's not Abraham's decision to make. It's God's word and it's God's promise. If God says he will give Abraham and his seed the land between the Euphrates river and the red sea for an everlasting possession. Then you better believe Abraham and his seed will be in that land forever. God's not going to go back on his word for a few confused people on this board.

Genesis 17:8 KJV: And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

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"The heritage that God has promised to His people is not in this world. Abraham had no possession in the earth, 'no, not so much as to set his foot on.' Acts 7:5. . . . The gift to Abraham and his seed included not merely the land of Canaan, but the whole earth. So says the apostle, 'The promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.' Romans 4:13. And the Bible plainly teaches that the promises made to Abraham are to be fulfilled through Christ. All that are Christ's are 'Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise'—heirs to 'an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away'—the earth freed from the curse of sin. Galatians 3:29; 1 Peter 1:4. For 'the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High;' and 'the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.' Daniel 7:27; Psalm 37:11

shilohsfoal said:

Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, "and to seeds," meaning many, but "and to your seed," meaning One, who is Christ.

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Bingo.

The promise given to Abraham is Christ, and we through faith in Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, have Abraham as our father, and are heirs of the promise.

If you are looking to a piece of earthly real estate, you've missed the point.

"I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies," - Genesis 22:17

"After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, 'Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!'" - Revelation 7:9-10

God's kingdom is not an earthly, temporal nation--it is the eternal and everlasting dominion of God.

-CryptoLutheran

Who are the people that will re-inhabit the holy Land after all that area is cleared and cleansed by the Day of the Lord’s wrath? Zephaniah 1:14-18

The new Israelites, those who come to live in the new country of Beulah, [Isaiah 62:1-5] cannot be those who are apostate or of any sort of deviant personality. But there must be many left alive in the world who will credit the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath to a natural event and continue on in their disbelief of a Creator God. They will form a One World Govt, as prophesied.


Ezekiel 20:37-38 is the best scripture that tells how the Lord will gather all Israel, then judge them and those who ‘revolt and rebel’, will not enter the Land. Jeremiah 5:26-29
Amos 9:10…the sinners of My people will die by the sword… Isaiah 65:11-12
Isaiah 35:8-10…no one unclean will travel along the ‘Way of Holiness’ into Zion.

As we see in Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, it is the ‘holy ones of the Most High’ who are present in the Land during the end time events.

Unfortunately it is evident that the new Israelites go to some extent along the same path as their ancestors and in their prosperity, begin to fall away from the true faith in the Lord as their protector and they agree to a peace treaty with the AC. What the Lord thinks about this is in Isaiah 28:14-20 It seems that verses 21-22 refer to the great Tribulation.

The rest of the world’s nations will be under the One World Government, a ten region entity governed by councils each headed by a President. They will soon confer their power and authority onto one charismatic leader, Revelation 17:13


So then, unrighteous and evil people will be present on earth right up until the Return of Jesus. Then, many prophesies say how the wicked are doomed. But Satan will be released at the end of the 1000 years and he will ‘seduce the nations’ for the one last time. This will sort out those who have kept their faith and those who rebel for the last earthly judgement.


For us, knowing how important it is to keep firm hold onto trusting the Lord for our protection during the forthcoming traumatic times ahead, it is a matter of life or death- Life eternal with Jesus or Death; eventual total annihilation.

keras said:

Who are the people that will re-inhabit the holy Land after all that area is cleared and cleansed by the Day of the Lord’s wrath? Zephaniah 1:14-18

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keras said:

Who are the people that will re-inhabit the holy Land after all that area is cleared and cleansed by the Day of the Lord’s wrath? Zephaniah 1:14-18

The new Israelites, those who come to live in the new country of Beulah, [Isaiah 62:1-5] cannot be those who are apostate or of any sort of deviant personality. But there must be many left alive in the world who will credit the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath to a natural event and continue on in their disbelief of a Creator God. They will form a One World Govt, as prophesied.


Ezekiel 20:37-38 is the best scripture that tells how the Lord will gather all Israel, then judge them and those who ‘revolt and rebel’, will not enter the Land. Jeremiah 5:26-29
Amos 9:10…the sinners of My people will die by the sword… Isaiah 65:11-12
Isaiah 35:8-10…no one unclean will travel along the ‘Way of Holiness’ into Zion.

As we see in Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, it is the ‘holy ones of the Most High’ who are present in the Land during the end time events.

Unfortunately it is evident that the new Israelites go to some extent along the same path as their ancestors and in their prosperity, begin to fall away from the true faith in the Lord as their protector and they agree to a peace treaty with the AC. What the Lord thinks about this is in Isaiah 28:14-20 It seems that verses 21-22 refer to the great Tribulation.

The rest of the world’s nations will be under the One World Government, a ten region entity governed by councils each headed by a President. They will soon confer their power and authority onto one charismatic leader, Revelation 17:13


So then, unrighteous and evil people will be present on earth right up until the Return of Jesus. Then, many prophesies say how the wicked are doomed. But Satan will be released at the end of the 1000 years and he will ‘seduce the nations’ for the one last time. This will sort out those who have kept their faith and those who rebel for the last earthly judgement.


For us, knowing how important it is to keep firm hold onto trusting the Lord for our protection during the forthcoming traumatic times ahead, it is a matter of life or death- Life eternal with Jesus or Death; eventual total annihilation.

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Rev:17:8
The Beast that thou saw was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit, and go into Perdition: and they
[the Foolish Virgins of the 4th Beast] that dwell on the earth
[during the Great tribulation] shall wonder, whose name
were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation
of the world, when they behold the Beast that was,
and is not, and yet is [when the Revelations Beast arises].


The Beast (Kingdom) that John saw "was" because Satan's
spiritual Kingdom "was" ruling before being "bound" at the Cross.
The Beast "is not" because Satan's Kingdom had been "bound" in
the Bottomless Pit during the time John was seeing the vision...
during the Great Commission of the Christian Kingdom.


The same Beast (the same Kingdom) will "ascend out of the
Bottomless Pit" at the sound of the 5th Trumpet
(also the "1st Woe"). [Rev 9:1]


The same Kingdom of Satan (the same 7-Headed Beast)
will "go into Perdition" at the end of the "2nd Woe"
as Satan's Kingdom (represented by the Revelation Beast)
is "given unto the Burning Flame" [Dan 7:12] and/or
"cast alive into the Lake-of-Fire" [Rev 19:20].


The Beast that "was" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom and during the
(2nd) Jewish Kingdom.


The Beast that "is not" represents the Kingdom of Satan
during the (3rd) Christian Kingdom - while Satan was "bound"
in the Bottomless Pit.


The Beast "ascending" out of the Bottomless Pit represents
the Kingdom of Satan during the "1st Woe" or "Fifth Trumpet"
or FIRST Revelation Beast.


And the Beast that "goes into Perdition" is the Kingdom
of Satan as it's destroyed after the "2nd Woe", when the
Fourth Beast, the "Kingdom of Babylon", is Judged by God
and "cast alive" into eternal torment of the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire".


Rev 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom, The SEVEN HEADS
are seven Mountains [seven Kings/Kingdoms] on which the
Woman [Babylon] sitteth [rules over]. 10 And there are
Seven Kings; FIVE ARE FALLEN, AND ONE IS, and the
other [the Seventh King] is not yet come: [is still a future
event after John's vision] and when he comes he must
continue for a SHORT SPACE [aka, Satan's "Little Season"].


The SEVEN HEADS on the Revelations Beast (ruled by the
"harlot" Babylon) represent seven "Kings" and/or "Mountains".
These Kings are also shown as the SEVEN HEADS of Daniel's
four Kingdoms.


They are one head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom (Lion),
another head/king of Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom (Bear).
It includes four "heads/kings" from Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom
(Leopard) and the last head/king is from the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom... namely, the Anti-Christ ("Little Horn" or "False Prophet"),
for a total of seven "Heads", seven "Kings", seven "Mountains".


Five Kings "are fallen" because (when the Apostle John saw
the vision) the head/king from Daniel's (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom
and the head/king from Daniel's (2nd) Jewish Kingdom were both
"fallen". In addition, three (out of the four) heads/kings from
Daniel's (3rd) Christian Kingdom were also "fallen"... for a total
of FIVE FALLEN KINGS. The last remaining head/king of the
New Testament Kingdom had not yet "fallen" because the
last head/king in the (3rd) Christian Kingdom was also the
author of the Book of Revelation, the Apostle John.


The one King that "is not yet come" [Rev 17:10] is the
"Little Horn" or "False Prophet" of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven". This is the Seventh "King" that arises
after the "testimony" of the Two Witnesses was "finished"
(after the Great Commission), when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given spiritual "dominion"
over the "Wise Virgins" during the "1st Woe".


It's the Seventh King that led the "Ten Virgins" out of the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven", as we "went forth"
into the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
It's the Seventh King that "overcomes" and then "kills"
the Saints during the Reign of the First Revelation "Beast".
However, the Seventh King only "continues a short space"
[Rev 17:10]. The Seventh King suffers an apparently fatal
wound at the END of the "1st Woe". But later he's resurrected
as the EIGHTH "King"... during the "2nd Woe" or Sixth Trumpet.


Rev 17:11 And the Beast that was, and is not, even he
is THE EIGHTH, and is OF THE SEVEN, and [the Eighth
Head/King] goeth into Perdition.


The EIGHTH King of the Revelations Beast is "of the seven"
because that King is the same "False Prophet" (the 7th King)
after he has been 'resurrected' from his near fatal "wound",
suffered at the end of the "1st Woe". The Eighth King is the
same False Prophet ruling over the First Revelations Beast.
This shows the Fourth Kingdom during the 6th Trumpet
(the "2nd Woe").


It is this Eighth King that made everyone (living in the
4th Kingdom) worship the "image" of the First Beast.
It was this Eighth King that caused everyone (in the
4th Beast) to take the "Mark of the Beast". It was
this Eighth King that was cast alive into the "Burning Flame"
or "Lake-of-Fire" at the end of the 4th Kingdom - as the
Eighth King "goeth into Perdition".


The "Mystery of Babylon" is a New Testament Commentary
on Daniel's Four Kingdoms... from the standpoint of the Apostle
John (the last of four New Testament "Kings"), living before the
Great Commission was finished - and before Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit and given "dominion" to rule (through
his chief emissary the Anti-Christ) during the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven".


These are SOME of the "closed-up" and "sealed" Biblical
mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints on earth
"shall understand" [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10] and SOME
of the Biblical mysteries the Bible PROMISED the Last
Saints would "prophesy again" as the Seventh Trumpet
"begins to sound".


Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel,
when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God
should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants
the prophets. [this is the prophecy of the Last Saints]



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keras said:

Who are the people that will re-inhabit the holy Land after all that area is cleared and cleansed by the Day of the Lord’s wrath? Zephaniah 1:14-18

The new Israelites, those who come to live in the new country of Beulah, [Isaiah 62:1-5] cannot be those who are apostate or of any sort of deviant personality. But there must be many left alive in the world who will credit the terrible Day of the Lord’s wrath to a natural event and continue on in their disbelief of a Creator God. They will form a One World Govt, as prophesied.


Ezekiel 20:37-38 is the best scripture that tells how the Lord will gather all Israel, then judge them and those who ‘revolt and rebel’, will not enter the Land. Jeremiah 5:26-29
Amos 9:10…the sinners of My people will die by the sword… Isaiah 65:11-12
Isaiah 35:8-10…no one unclean will travel along the ‘Way of Holiness’ into Zion.

As we see in Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, it is the ‘holy ones of the Most High’ who are present in the Land during the end time events.

Unfortunately it is evident that the new Israelites go to some extent along the same path as their ancestors and in their prosperity, begin to fall away from the true faith in the Lord as their protector and they agree to a peace treaty with the AC. What the Lord thinks about this is in Isaiah 28:14-20 It seems that verses 21-22 refer to the great Tribulation.

The rest of the world’s nations will be under the One World Government, a ten region entity governed by councils each headed by a President. They will soon confer their power and authority onto one charismatic leader, Revelation 17:13


So then, unrighteous and evil people will be present on earth right up until the Return of Jesus. Then, many prophesies say how the wicked are doomed. But Satan will be released at the end of the 1000 years and he will ‘seduce the nations’ for the one last time. This will sort out those who have kept their faith and those who rebel for the last earthly judgement.


For us, knowing how important it is to keep firm hold onto trusting the Lord for our protection during the forthcoming traumatic times ahead, it is a matter of life or death- Life eternal with Jesus or Death; eventual total annihilation.

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Are you aware that Jesus specifically NAMED
four separate and distinct "Kingdoms of Heaven"
on earth?

In Mat 22:2 Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 13 (in 8 verses) Jesus specifically NAMES
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 25:1 Jesus specifically NAMES the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"

Now, I realize this is NEW INFORMATION to most
but please TEST this by seeing who the CONTEXT
of each of these passages represents...
WHO is the subject of the passage?

In Matthew 22:2 the context is the Jewish Kingdom
In Matthew 13 the context is the Christian Kingdom
In Matthew 25:1-13 the context is the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom"

And, of course, Jesus specifically NAMES the
Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew chapters
5 and 7 and 8 and 19.

While the previous "Kingdoms of Heaven" were
(1) temporal
(2) contained BOTH saved and unsaved

The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" is not temporal
and contains saints from EACH of the previous Kingdoms.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are included [Mat 8:11] when
they were NOT included in the Christian Kingdom or the
Great Tribulation Kingdom.

For those who have not studied this issue carefully
there is a tendency to think there is no difference
between the "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the
one (1) "Kingdom of God".

The difference is explained below.

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The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
or it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".

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The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]

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The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".

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Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.

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keras said:

Who are the people that will re-inhabit the holy Land after all that area is cleared and cleansed by the Day of the Lord’s wrath? Zephaniah 1:14-18

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Revelation 17:14
These [who are these people?] shall make war with the Lamb,
and the Lamb shall overcome them [the "ten virgins"]: for he is
Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him
[all the saints] are called, and chosen, and faithful.


Let's see if we can provide a little perspective here:


Rev 17:12-17
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
[these are the same people as the "ten virgins" of the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the "ten kings"
and "the horns" of Daniel 7... so the Bible provides TONS
of CONTEXT on these people] which have received
no kingdom as yet [because the "ten virgins" did not
have a "kingdom" until Satan is "loosened" and the
(4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" begins.
That is when the "ten virgins" actually "went forth"
from the Christian Kingdom and FOLLOWED the
"Little Horn" [Dan 7] or the Anti-Christ... during the
Revelation Beast. In fact, these SAME PEOPLE helped
the Little Horn/Anti-Christ "set-up" or "place" Daniel's
"Abomination of Desolation" [Dan 7, 8, 12] AND these
same "ten kings" and "ten horns" all "agree to give their
kingdom to the Beast" in Rev 17:12-13 and 17:17].
So AGAIN the Bible provides TONS of CONTEXT on
these ten "kings/horns/virgins"... the Last Saints.]
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
[Again, the ten "horns/kings/virgins" only RULE the
(4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom. They do not RULE
in the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"]
These [ten "kings/horns/virgins"] have one mind,
and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
These [ten "kings/horns/virgins"] shall make war with the
Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord
of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him
are called, and chosen, and faithful [all the saints].
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest,
where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes,
and nations, and tongues. [both Jew and Gentile... they
are the people in EACH of the "Kingdoms of Heaven". The
Pre-Flood Saints, the Jewish Saints, the Christian Saints and
the ten "kings/horns/virgins" of the Fourth Kingdom... who
are the Last Saints] And the ten horns which thou sawest
upon the beast [the ten "kings/horns/virgins"], these shall
hate the harlot [Satan's kingdom in the church or the
Christian Beast], and shall make her desolate and naked,
and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.[the Gospel
of the Anti-Christ and the ten "kings/horns/virgins" during the
Revelation Beast was that the church was corrupt and that
salvation was found with the Anti-Christ and NOT the church]
For God hath put in their hearts [the "kings/horns/virgins"]
to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom
unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
[The ten virgins supported the Anti-Christ during the FIRST
Revelation Beast - then they were "killed" at the appointed
year/month/day/hour [Rev 9:15-18]. While the unsaved
"foolish virgins" continued following the Anti-Christ during
the SECOND Beast [Rev 9:20-21], the "wise virgins"
did NOT follow the Second Beast. God had "forsaken"
them during the First Woe but gathered them during
the Second Woe and "harvested" them BEFORE the
end of the Revelation Beast [Rev 18:, 11:12]

So THAT is the CONTEXT of the "they" and "them"
of Rev 17:14... it is the ten "kings/horns/virgins"
who RULED the (4th) Great Tribulation Kingdom
or Daniel's Fourth Beast or the Revelation Beast...
(as they "gave" their Kingdom to the Beast).

The CONTEXT of the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" is EXCLUSIVE to the
"ten virgins" that "went forth" from the
(3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" into the
(4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".

And the POINT (purpose) of the Fourth Beast
was to bring Judgment on the "ten virgins".
As Judgment BEGINS at the "House of God".


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The CONTEXT of 1 Peter 4:17
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For the time is come that Judgment must BEGIN
at the House of God [both the "wheat and Tares"]:
and if it [God's Judgment] FIRST begin with us
[begins with the saved "wheat"], what shall the end
be of them that obey not the Gospel of God
[the unsaved "tares"] 18 And if the righteous
[the saved "wheat"] scarcely be saved, where
shall the ungodly and the sinner [unsaved "tares"]
appear?

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The purpose of Daniel's Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven"
was to (first) bring Judgment on the "Wise Virgins",
or all the living Saints. This is shown in 1 Pe
4 as being both the "us" [in verse 17] and then as
"the righteous" [in verse 18]. Then, after Judgment
on the Saints is finished, God separates the
"wheat and tares" and brings Judgment on the
"Anti-Christ" and "Foolish Virgins" (the Beast)...
which are represented by "them that obey not
the Gospel of God" [in verse 17] and then by
"the ungodly and and the sinner" [in verse 18].

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Note: After the Great Commission is finished
(when all the "sheep" are found and saved)
Then God brings Judgment on the world,
but it's a process which follows this pattern:

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(1) First God brings Judgment on "the House of God"

(2) The Last Saints (wise virgins of Mat 25:1-13)
are Judged during the First Beast/First Woe

(3) The Last of the unsaved "tares" (foolish virgins)
are Judged during the Second Beast/Second Woe

(4) The Last Saints are called to "Come-up Here"
BEFORE the Second Woe is finished (important)

(5) God brings Judgment on those OUTSIDE of
"the House of God" (the world)

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While there are MANY passages that talk about
the EVENTS occurring AFTER the end of the
Great Commission of the Christian "Kingdom"
and MANY passages about the Fourth Kingdom
ruled by the ten "kings/horns/virgins" that all
"agree to give their Kingdom to the Beast"...
there are FEW passages about Judgment on
those OUTSIDE of the "House of God".

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Here is the BOTTOM LINE:
The Last Saints preach about these things
during the "Season and Time" on earth
AFTER the Revelation Beast is destroyed
as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound".
This is information that remained "closed-up"
and "sealed" to all previous Saints. But the
Bible PROMISED the Last Saints "shall understand"
these Biblical mysteries [Dan 12:4 and 12:8-10]
and the Lord PROMISED the Last Saints "shall see"
the fulfillment of ALL Great Tribulation prophecies
("signs") [Mat 24:15 and 24:33]... AND these
Last Saints would PREACH these mysteries
as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound"
[Rev 10:7-11]

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We saw above the "Bride" is the LAST FIRST...
the ten "kings/horns/virgins" are commanded to
"Come up Here" [Rev 11:12] and they are TAKEN
into the "marriage" before the "Door was Shut"

Mat 25:10
And while they [foolish virgins] went to buy,
the bridegroom [Jesus] came; and they that were ready
[the wise virgins] went in with him to the marriage:
and the door was shut.

Obviously the "Door was Shut" after the "Final Harvest"
of the "kings/horns/virgins" of the Fourth Kingdom and
the "marriage" is finished.

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In Revelation 18
the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2]
as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen". The "Final Harvest"
of Saints, immediately before the destruction of Babylon,
is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands the Last Saints
to "Come out of her, My people". And Saints are told
[v.20] to "rejoice" over the destruction of Babylon
for "God hath avenged you on her".

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In Revelation 19
the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the
False Prophet and Revelations Beast are "cast alive"
into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest"
immediately before destruction of the "great harlot"
[v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17]
to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of
the Great God". Then again [v.9] the "Final Harvest"
is shown when the Saints are "called unto the
MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb". And once more
we see [v.2] that, when God destroys the Kingdom
of "Babylon the Great", He also "hath avenged the
blood of His servants".

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In Revelation 11
the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a
"great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest" is shown
[v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to
"Come up hither". And they "ascended up to heaven
in a cloud". Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring
immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast.
However, this time, the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIME
for fulfillment of this event - just before the end of
the "Second Woe"... that is important.

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In Daniel 7
the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11]
when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest"
of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High
shall take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever,
even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest"
of the Great Tribulation Saints is shown [v.22] when
"Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High;
and the time came that the Saints possessed the
[eternal] Kingdom".

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Again, the POINT is the Bible gives MANY different
perspectives of the SAME people/events and these
all must be harmonized before anyone can claim to
have found more than partial-truth. In fact, God
never intended Saints in the Jewish Kingdom to
understand the END of their Kingdom and God
never intended Saints in the Christian Kingdom to
understand the Great Tribulation "kings/horns/virgins"
of the Revelation Beast or the "Season and Time"
on earth AFTER the Beast was destroyed and the
"wise virgins" were commanded to "Come up hither".

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5thKingdom said:

God
never intended Saints in the Christian Kingdom to
understand the Great Tribulation "kings/horns/virgins"
of the Revelation Beast or the "Season and Time"
on earth AFTER the Beast was destroyed and the
"wise virgins" were commanded to "Come up hither".

Click to expand...

Your 3 posts: TLDR.

God intended His people to know these things, as we will all be there when it all happens. Proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7.

It is your addition to scripture, that says the 'wise virgins', Matthew 25, are the ones commanded to 'come up hither'. Revelation 4:1 Seriously bad you!

keras said:

Your 3 posts: TLDR.

God intended His people to know these things, as we will all be there when it all happens. Proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7.

It is your addition to scripture, that says the 'wise virgins', Matthew 25, are the ones commanded to 'come up hither'. Revelation 4:1 Seriously bad you!

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I don't know what TLDR means.


You say that God intended His People to know these things.
And that is true if you are talking about the Last Saints.


(1) God clearly did not intend people living in 100AD or
500AD or 1000AD or 1500AD to understand the
FULFILLMENT of these prophecies... since they
occur during the Revelation Beast and those
saints were dead LONG BEFORE the
Fourth Beast arose.


(2) The Wise Virgins" are commanded to "Come up hither"
and "Come out of Her My people". Did you not even READ
the post? The wise virgins are the Last Saints?


Can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible that contradicts
ANYTHING I wrote? No, you cannot. But if you think
you can... send chapter and verse.


The ten virgins of Mat 25 = the ten kings/horns of Dan 7 =
the ten horns/kings of Rev 17. Each of these events are
the SAME event because:


The Revelation Beast = Daniel's Fourth Beast = the
wise virgins in the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
= those following the Anti-Christ (Little Horn) during
Satan's Little Season.


Here the wise virgins are in the final harvest
I am sorry all this is so far over your head...


Mat 25:10
And while they [foolish virgins] went to buy,
the bridegroom [Jesus] came; and they that were ready
[the wise virgins] went in with him to the marriage:
and the door was shut.

Obviously the "Door was Shut" after the "Final Harvest"
of the "kings/horns/virgins" of the Fourth Kingdom and
the "marriage" is finished.

---------------

In Revelation 18
the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2]
as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen". The "Final Harvest"
of Saints, immediately before the destruction of Babylon,
is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands the Last Saints
to "Come out of her, My people". And Saints are told
[v.20] to "rejoice" over the destruction of Babylon
for "God hath avenged you on her".

--------------------------

In Revelation 19
the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the
False Prophet and Revelations Beast are "cast alive"
into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest"
immediately before destruction of the "great harlot"
[v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17]
to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of
the Great God". Then again [v.9] the "Final Harvest"
is shown when the Saints are "called unto the
MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb". And once more
we see [v.2] that, when God destroys the Kingdom
of "Babylon the Great", He also "hath avenged the
blood of His servants".

------------------------------

In Revelation 11
the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a
"great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest" is shown
[v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to
"Come up hither". And they "ascended up to heaven
in a cloud". Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring
immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast.
However, this time, the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIME
for fulfillment of this event - just before the end of
the "Second Woe"... that is important.

---------------------------------------

In Daniel 7
the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11]
when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest"
of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High
shall take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever,
even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest"
of the Great Tribulation Saints is shown [v.22] when
"Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High;
and the time came that the Saints possessed the
[eternal] Kingdom".

-------------------------------------------

Again, the POINT is the Bible gives MANY different
perspectives of the SAME people/events and these
all must be harmonized before anyone can claim to
have found more than partial-truth. In fact, God
never intended Saints in the Jewish Kingdom to
understand the END of their Kingdom and God
never intended Saints in the Christian Kingdom to
understand the Great Tribulation "kings/horns/virgins"
of the Revelation Beast or the "Season and Time"
on earth AFTER the Beast was destroyed and the
"wise virgins" were commanded to "Come up hither".

--------------------------------------------


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shilohsfoal said:

Nonsense, utter nonsense.
The beast is already in the promised land with the tribulation saints. You just can't seem to fiqure it out. It's not about the entire world. This is about God and Israel. If you didn't have the need to include yourself in everything you might see things alittle more clearly. It's not all about you Keras.

I'm sorry to have to break the bad news to you, your not one of those tribulation saints. But if it makes you feel any better, neither am I.

Click to expand...

First... if the Beast is already in the promised land WITH the
Great Tribulation Saints... then what is his name?

Second... if you can find ONE VERSE of Scripture to
contradict ANYTHING I said... please provide
chapter and verse

Third... here are the Last Saint:

Mat 25:10
And while they [foolish virgins] went to buy,
the bridegroom [Jesus] came; and they that were ready
[the wise virgins] went in with him to the marriage:
and the door was shut.

Obviously the "Door was Shut" after the "Final Harvest"
of the "kings/horns/virgins" of the Fourth Kingdom and
the "marriage" is finished.

---------------

In Revelation 18
the destruction of the Fourth Kingdom is shown [v.2]
as "Babylon the Great is fallen, is fallen". The "Final Harvest"
of Saints, immediately before the destruction of Babylon,
is shown [v.4] as the Lord Commands the Last Saints
to "Come out of her, My people". And Saints are told
[v.20] to "rejoice" over the destruction of Babylon
for "God hath avenged you on her".

--------------------------

In Revelation 19
the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.20] as the
False Prophet and Revelations Beast are "cast alive"
into the eternal "Lake-of-Fire". The "Final Harvest"
immediately before destruction of the "great harlot"
[v.2] is shown as the Saints are commanded [v.17]
to "gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of
the Great God". Then again [v.9] the "Final Harvest"
is shown when the Saints are "called unto the
MARRIAGE SUPPER of the Lamb". And once more
we see [v.2] that, when God destroys the Kingdom
of "Babylon the Great", He also "hath avenged the
blood of His servants".

------------------------------

In Revelation 11
the destruction of Babylon is shown [v.13] as a
"great earthquake", and the "Final Harvest" is shown
[v.12] as the Last Saints are commanded to
"Come up hither". And they "ascended up to heaven
in a cloud". Again the "Final Harvest" is shown occurring
immediately before destruction of the Fourth Beast.
However, this time, the Bible reveals [v.14] the TIME
for fulfillment of this event - just before the end of
the "Second Woe"... that is important.

---------------------------------------

In Daniel 7
the destruction of the Fourth Beast is shown [v.11]
when "the Beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the Burning Flame". The "Final Harvest"
of Saints is shown [v.18] as "the Saints of the Most High
shall take the Kingdom, and possess the Kingdom forever,
even for ever and ever". Again, the "Final Harvest"
of the Great Tribulation Saints is shown [v.22] when
"Judgment was given to the Saints of the Most High;
and the time came that the Saints possessed the
[eternal] Kingdom".

-------------------------------------------

Again, the POINT is the Bible gives MANY different
perspectives of the SAME people/events and these
all must be harmonized before anyone can claim to
have found more than partial-truth. In fact, God
never intended Saints in the Jewish Kingdom to
understand the END of their Kingdom and God
never intended Saints in the Christian Kingdom to
understand the Great Tribulation "kings/horns/virgins"
of the Revelation Beast or the "Season and Time"
on earth AFTER the Beast was destroyed and the
"wise virgins" were commanded to "Come up hither".

--------------------------------------------


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keras said:

Your 3 posts: TLDR.

God intended His people to know these things, as we will all be there when it all happens. Proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7.

It is your addition to scripture, that says the 'wise virgins', Matthew 25, are the ones commanded to 'come up hither'. Revelation 4:1 Seriously bad you!

Click to expand...

Can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible that contradicts
ANYTHING said here? Please send chapter and verse.

----------------------------------
The CONTEXT of 1 Peter 4:17
-----------------------------------

For the time is come that Judgment must BEGIN
at the House of God [both the "wheat and Tares"]:
and if it [God's Judgment] FIRST begin with us
[begins with the saved "wheat"], what shall the end
be of them that obey not the Gospel of God
[the unsaved "tares"] 18 And if the righteous
[the saved "wheat"] scarcely be saved, where
shall the ungodly and the sinner [unsaved "tares"]
appear?

-------------------------

The purpose of Daniel's Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven"
was to (first) bring Judgment on the "Wise Virgins",
or all the living Saints. This is shown in 1 Pe
4 as being both the "us" [in verse 17] and then as
"the righteous" [in verse 18]. Then, after Judgment
on the Saints is finished, God separates the
"wheat and tares" and brings Judgment on the
"Anti-Christ" and "Foolish Virgins" (the Beast)...
which are represented by "them that obey not
the Gospel of God" [in verse 17] and then by
"the ungodly and and the sinner" [in verse 18].

--------------------------

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shilohsfoal said:

Nonsense, utter nonsense.
The beast is already in the promised land with the tribulation saints. You just can't seem to fiqure it out. It's not about the entire world. This is about God and Israel. If you didn't have the need to include yourself in everything you might see things alittle more clearly. It's not all about you Keras.

I'm sorry to have to break the bad news to you, your not one of those tribulation saints. But if it makes you feel any better, neither am I.

Click to expand...

Can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible that contradict
ANYTHING said here? Send Chapter and verse please:

----------------------------------
The CONTEXT of 1 Peter 4:17
-----------------------------------

For the time is come that Judgment must BEGIN
at the House of God [both the "wheat and Tares"]:
and if it [God's Judgment] FIRST begin with us
[begins with the saved "wheat"], what shall the end
be of them that obey not the Gospel of God
[the unsaved "tares"] 18 And if the righteous
[the saved "wheat"] scarcely be saved, where
shall the ungodly and the sinner [unsaved "tares"]
appear?

-------------------------

The purpose of Daniel's Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven"
was to (first) bring Judgment on the "Wise Virgins",
or all the living Saints. This is shown in 1 Pe
4 as being both the "us" [in verse 17] and then as
"the righteous" [in verse 18]. Then, after Judgment
on the Saints is finished, God separates the
"wheat and tares" and brings Judgment on the
"Anti-Christ" and "Foolish Virgins" (the Beast)...
which are represented by "them that obey not
the Gospel of God" [in verse 17] and then by
"the ungodly and and the sinner" [in verse 18].

--------------------------

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keras said:

Your 3 posts: TLDR.

God intended His people to know these things, as we will all be there when it all happens. Proved by Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7.

It is your addition to scripture, that says the 'wise virgins', Matthew 25, are the ones commanded to 'come up hither'. Revelation 4:1 Seriously bad you!

Click to expand...

Can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible to contradict
ANYTHING said here?

-----------

Are you aware that Jesus specifically NAMED
four separate and distinct "Kingdoms of Heaven"
on earth?

In Mat 22:2 Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 13 (in 8 verses) Jesus specifically NAMES
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 25:1 Jesus specifically NAMES the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"

Now, I realize this is NEW INFORMATION to most
but please TEST this by seeing who the CONTEXT
of each of these passages represents...
WHO is the subject of the passage?

In Matthew 22:2 the context is the Jewish Kingdom
In Matthew 13 the context is the Christian Kingdom
In Matthew 25:1-13 the context is the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom"

And, of course, Jesus specifically NAMES the
Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew chapters
5 and 7 and 8 and 19.

While the previous "Kingdoms of Heaven" were
(1) temporal
(2) contained BOTH saved and unsaved

The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" is not temporal
and contains saints from EACH of the previous Kingdoms.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are included [Mat 8:11] when
they were NOT included in the Christian Kingdom or the
Great Tribulation Kingdom.

For those who have not studied this issue carefully
there is a tendency to think there is no difference
between the "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the
one (1) "Kingdom of God".

The difference is explained below.

--------------------------------------------------------

The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
or it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".

-------------------------------------------------------------

The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]

---------------------------------------------------------

The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".

---------------------------------

Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.

-----------------------------------

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shilohsfoal said:

Nonsense, utter nonsense.
The beast is already in the promised land with the tribulation saints. You just can't seem to fiqure it out. It's not about the entire world. This is about God and Israel. If you didn't have the need to include yourself in everything you might see things alittle more clearly. It's not all about you Keras.

I'm sorry to have to break the bad news to you, your not one of those tribulation saints. But if it makes you feel any better, neither am I.

Click to expand...

--------

Can you find ONE VERSE in the Bible to contradict
anything said here?

-------

Are you aware that Jesus specifically NAMED
four separate and distinct "Kingdoms of Heaven"
on earth?

In Mat 22:2 Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 13 (in 8 verses) Jesus specifically NAMES
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".

In Mat 25:1 Jesus specifically NAMES the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"

Now, I realize this is NEW INFORMATION to most
but please TEST this by seeing who the CONTEXT
of each of these passages represents...
WHO is the subject of the passage?

In Matthew 22:2 the context is the Jewish Kingdom
In Matthew 13 the context is the Christian Kingdom
In Matthew 25:1-13 the context is the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom"

And, of course, Jesus specifically NAMES the
Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew chapters
5 and 7 and 8 and 19.

While the previous "Kingdoms of Heaven" were
(1) temporal
(2) contained BOTH saved and unsaved

The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" is not temporal
and contains saints from EACH of the previous Kingdoms.
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are included [Mat 8:11] when
they were NOT included in the Christian Kingdom or the
Great Tribulation Kingdom.

For those who have not studied this issue carefully
there is a tendency to think there is no difference
between the "Kingdoms of Heaven" and the
one (1) "Kingdom of God".

The difference is explained below.

--------------------------------------------------------

The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33)
times in the Bible and every time the phrase represents
the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat",
associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom"
(the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
or it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into
the (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".

-------------------------------------------------------------

The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal
Kingdoms... and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of
each, with the "Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins"
living during the (4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
[Mat 25:1]

---------------------------------------------------------

The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times
in the Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God
and/or the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat"
who have been regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit.
To be clear, the "Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of
the "Kingdom of Heaven" since it only includes the saved
"wheat", not the unsaved "tares".

---------------------------------

Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably
when it focuses only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom.
When focused only on the "wheat", the Bible can use
"Kingdom of Heaven" OR "Kingdom of God". And that
is why we have several parallel passages in the Bible
that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.

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