the Gospel and black lives matter

Mountainmanbob · Jun 16, 2020

As usual I'm in agreement with John.
Regarding the topic
Christians will enjoy this video.
M

childeye 2 · Jun 16, 2020

I liked the video. I don't see how it has anything to do with a secular organization like black lives matter.

timothyu · Jun 16, 2020

Jesus taught us to think of others before self. In other words He taught us to be and act responsibly no mater who we are or what our particular identity is..

Man on the other hand teaches other man to seek self interests, in other words we are taught to demand rights rather than act responsibly which of course divides us further.

redleghunter · Jun 16, 2020

timothyu said:
Jesus taught us to think of others before self. In other words He taught us to be and act responsibly no mater who we are or what our particular identity is..

Man on the other hand teaches other man to seek self interests, in other words we are taught to demand rights rather than act responsibly which of course divides us further.

Yes Exodus 18 comes to mind.

Lord Give Me A Sign · Jun 16, 2020

Great message. Im gonna have to subscribe to his podcast and start listening to him

redleghunter · Jun 16, 2020

Lord Give Me A Sign said:
Great message. Im gonna have to subscribe to his podcast and start listening to him

He has an app GTY for Grace to You.

com7fy8 · Jun 17, 2020

What this video seems to me to be saying is >

What if a church does not want to be a social justice church?

Jesus Christ's church is guaranteed. God already knows who will be saved. We can't fix how worldly people do what is worldly! Do not try to send a Christian back to fix this evil world. Go to people with the Gospel; once a person comes to Jesus, other things lose their significance.

He has done ministry with blacks, honoring Martin Luther King with memorial services in black schools. But the gospel does more than what social movements can do.

I think he has good points, and I think it is good to weep with those who weep, and use what is happening for God's good purpose. We might not be able to change society in a really good way; worldly people might be able to change things, somehow; but we can make God's good use >

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21)

Test each thing for the good way God wants to use it

Therefore, never mind what some number of people might be demanding has to come from their efforts > what God does will be better.

Tom 1 · Jun 17, 2020

Mountainmanbob said:
As usual I'm in agreement with John.
Regarding the topic
Christians will enjoy this video.
M

I can't do anything about it therefore it doesn't matter?

redleghunter · Jun 17, 2020

Tom 1 said:
I can't do anything about it therefore it doesn't matter?

No he never says this or indicates this.

Tom 1 · Jun 17, 2020

redleghunter said:
No he never says this or indicates this.

That's how it appears to me, nothing can be done about all that stuff so just move on seems to be the main thrust of what he is saying. Not that I'm not sympathetic to that idea, I think it would be ideal if racists could just suddenly stop being racist, and if we could all just accept that we're all the same, history is full of people doing terrible things, and we should look at it that way. But that does nothing to address what is actually happening.

redleghunter · Jun 17, 2020

Tom 1 said:
That's how it appears to me, nothing can be done about all that stuff so just move on seems to be the main thrust of what he is saying. Not that I'm no sympathetic to that idea, I think it would be ideal if racists could just suddenly stop being racist, and if we could all just accept that we're all the same, history is full of people doing terrible things, and we should look at it that way. But that does nothing to address what is actually happening.

Perhaps watch the video again and key in the word “Gospel.”

Tom 1 · Jun 17, 2020

redleghunter said:
Perhaps watch the video again and key in the word “Gospel.”

Sure, if he stuck to that. Personally my experiences of a lack of racism as the culture of a place or organisation have been in a church, and in the rural areas of some countries. The gospel is an answer to racism, but that doesn't mean by a very long stretch that there is no racism in the church. There are plenty of all white, all black, all whatever churches in the world. A preacher dismissing the issue out of hand with a reference to the gospel makes him sound like an apologist for one side of the story, if someone is going to dip their toes into a political issue then he or she needs to have something to say, otherwise don't go into that territory.

Mountainmanbob · Jun 17, 2020

Tom 1 said:
There are plenty of all white, all black, all whatever churches in the world.

A preacher dismissing the issue out of hand with a reference to the gospel makes him sound like an apologist for one side of the story, if someone is going to dip their toes into a political issue then he or she needs to have something to say, otherwise don't go into that territory.

I went to an all black Church back in 1999.
Until I started bringing some friends with me
I was the only white person in attendance.
Man how they welcomed me
and showed me a lot of love.

Hope that I never forget those Sundays.

M

Tom 1 · Jun 17, 2020

Mountainmanbob said:
I went to an all black Church back in 1999.
Until I started bringing some friends with me
I was the only white person in attendance.
Man how they welcomed me
and showed me a lot of love.

Hope that I never forget those Sundays.

M

Nice. I went into one near the church I went to and got the cold shoulder. Different all over I suppose.

ZNP · Jun 17, 2020

Mountainmanbob said:
As usual I'm in agreement with John.
Regarding the topic
Christians will enjoy this video.
M

"You are now a missionary for the gospel"

The gospel is that God has made a covenant with us that includes every spiritual blessing. Those blessings include making a great nation out of those who were former slaves, and ultimately that all the nations would be blessed in us.

He said “I can’t fix racial injustice, I can’t fix people who feel like they are disenfranchised”. Instead he said our responsibility is to preach the gospel. Well, the gospel is that all the nations will be blessed in the church. The gospel is not simply that God is building a great nation from those who were former slaves, but that all the nations would be blessed in the church. We are one new man, a warrior that stands on Earth for righteousness. Daniel 12:3 Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.

What kind of Gospel and what kind of savior is this that says "I can't fix injustice". The gospel that I preach is that Jesus is the savior who fixes injustice, who takes the disenfranchised and makes a great nation out of them. Jesus Christ is head over all to the church. Jesus is Lord, the church is His body. A king that tells the people "I can't fix injustice" is not going to be king for long. If you want to rule and reign with Christ then you need to expand your understanding of the gospel.

A_JAY · Jun 17, 2020

What John says there is consistent with his view of the reason that the Church exists. The Church's job is to convert sinners. Check out a sermon by John entitled "Who's to Blame for the Riots?"

timothyu · Jun 17, 2020

ZNP said:
If you want to rule and reign with Christ then you need to expand your understanding of the gospel.

That is what happens when the Gospel of the Kingdom is neglected for another. Instead the oppressed are taught to fight to build their own kingdoms here or overthrow others. The oppressed become the oppressors and nothing changes overall.

Mountainmanbob · Jun 17, 2020

ZNP said:
"You are now a missionary for the gospel"

The gospel is that God has made a covenant with us that includes every spiritual blessing. Those blessings include making a great nation out of those who were former slaves, and ultimately that all the nations would be blessed in us.

He said “I can’t fix racial injustice, I can’t fix people who feel like they are disenfranchised”. Instead he said our responsibility is to preach the gospel. Well, the gospel is that all the nations will be blessed in the church. The gospel is not simply that God is building a great nation from those who were former slaves, but that all the nations would be blessed in the church. We are one new man, a warrior that stands on Earth for righteousness. Daniel 12:3 Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.

What kind of Gospel and what kind of savior is this that says "I can't fix injustice". The gospel that I preach is that Jesus is the savior who fixes injustice, who takes the disenfranchised and makes a great nation out of them. Jesus Christ is head over all to the church. Jesus is Lord, the church is His body. A king that tells the people "I can't fix injustice" is not going to be king for long. If you want to rule and reign with Christ then you need to expand your understanding of the gospel.

I'm sure John would give you a good debate
head to head.

Do you know his background?
Been to is siminary college?

You may also not care for RC Sproul?
David Jeremiah?
M

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A_JAY · Jun 18, 2020

junk? JM don't preach no junk.

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