Can anyone undeniably prove Zechariah 14:2-3,12, have already been fulfilled?

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Actually the Bible doesn't say anything about the cosmic. It talks about the earthquake and a cloud ascending from Jerusalem.
I guess you must have missed that part.
What you missed is:
Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine with 7 times its normal brightness and the moon will shine as bright as the sun.....Verse 30...the Lord's fierce anger will descend amid devouring flames of fire.....
NOT an effect of a nuke explosion on earth, at all.
 
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What you missed is:
Isaiah 30:26 The sun will shine with 7 times its normal brightness and the moon will shine as bright as the sun.....Verse 30...the Lord's fierce anger will descend amid devouring flames of fire.....
NOT an effect of a nuke explosion on earth, at all.

So you said God will destroy the countries that attack Jerusalem. Egypt is mentioned as one of those countries receiving the plague given to the nations that attack Jerusalem.

Can you show us where God destroys Egypt?
Do you have a verse to back up your claim.?
 
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According to zech, Egypt is mentioned as receiving the plague that is given to those who attack Jerusalem. Show me the verse that says God destroys Egypt.


Keras is not an Amil, so not applying this to him, but I have noted Amils in the past using the following passage to try and debunk Premils' interpretation of Zechariah 14:16-19.

Joel 3:18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim.
19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.
 
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I once thought that was a good thing till I figured out what kind of cloud it is.
How many clouds do you know that start from the earth and ascend into the heavens?

I will give you a hint. There is an earthquake associated with it in the Bible.


Oh, I thought you were talking about 1 Corinthians 15
"52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."


*The enemies will be vaporized huh.
 
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Oh, I thought you were talking about 1 Corinthians 15
"52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed."


*The enemies will be vaporized huh.

I watched a video once. It showed the earthquake and a cloud ascending from the earth into the heavens. Within that cloud was what appeared to be a large body of fire, like a lake.
It was a pretty moving. I would say it would not be a nice place to be.
 
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After that Christ will return and the earth will be consumed in fire. It will not survive the cataclysms to stand for another 1000 years. Instead there will be a new heavens and earth in which the righteous will dwell with God eternally.

The bible says the waste cities will be rebuilt

"And he shall set up an ensign for the nations,
and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel,
and gather together the dispersed of Judah
from the four corners of the earth. (Isaiah 11:12

Desolate land shall be tilled - will be
like the garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:34-35)

-The repairer of the breach, The restorer
of paths to dwell in. (Isaiah 58:12)
-Repair the waste cities, the desolations
of many generations” (Isaiah 61:4).
-Build the waste cities-fresh produce-drink
there own wine-farming (Amos 9:14)

-Waste cities “filled with flocks of men”
being very social (Ezekiel 36:36-38)
-Superhighways between major cities
(Isaiah 19:23)

-Cities being crime-free , dwell safely-none
be made afraid (Ezekiel 34:28), (Micah 4:4)
-No more Violence, nor wasting,
nor destruction (Isaiah 60:18)

-Cities overflow with prosperity (Zechariah 1:17)
-Equitable property distribution, every man shall
own his vine and fig tree (Micah 4:4, Leviticus 25

-“Joy and gladness-thanksgiving-the voice
of melody. (Isaiah 51:3) (Jeremiah 33:10-11)
-Where old men and old women dwell -full
of boys and girls playing (Zechariah 8:4-5)

-No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous
beast shall go up. (Isaiah 35:9 )
-There will be Shepherds and local
animal husbandry (Jeremiah 33:12)
 
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Can you show us where God destroys Egypt?
Do you have a verse to back up your claim.?
Isaiah 19:1-24, Ezekiel 29:8-12, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Joel 3:19, Zechariah 10:11, +

The soon to happen Day of the Lords fiery wrath will strike the world at mid day in Gaza, Zephaniah 2:4-5, and will virtually depopulate the entire Middle East region.
God's solution to the Middle East crisis! Jeremiah 10:18
 
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Isaiah 19:1-24, Ezekiel 29:8-12, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Joel 3:19, Zechariah 10:11, +

The soon to happen Day of the Lords fiery wrath will strike the world at mid day in Gaza, Zephaniah 2:4-5, and will virtually depopulate the entire Middle East region.
God's solution to the Middle East crisis! Jeremiah 10:18

Egypt is in North Africa, not the middle east.
Do you just one verse showing that it is God who will destroy Egypt?
Just one?

Telling Egypt that he will give Egypt to man to destroy is not the same thing as God destroying Egypt. It's that man who destroys it.
 
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I just woke up from dreams about Russia making first strikes all around the country...weird.

Unfortunately, this is what premillennialism produces. They would be better focusing on Jesus, because He brings peace.
 
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I just woke up from dreams about Russia making first strikes all around the country...weird.

lol, sorry about that.
For what it's worth, I don't believe you need you worry about that for at least 1000 more years.
 
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lol, sorry about that.
For what it's worth, I don't believe you need you worry about that for at least 1000 more years.

No, it had nothing to do with the discussion here. In fact, I didn't even see that you guys were talking about Russia until after I posted it.
 
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Egypt is in North Africa, not the middle east.
Do you just one verse showing that it is God who will destroy Egypt?
Just one?

Telling Egypt that he will give Egypt to man to destroy is not the same thing as God destroying Egypt. It's that man who destroys it.
Ezekiel 30:1-4 Egypt will be destroyed on the Day of the Lord. Revelation 6:12-17
 
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Isaiah 19:1-24, Ezekiel 29:8-12, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Joel 3:19, Zechariah 10:11, +

The soon to happen Day of the Lords fiery wrath will strike the world at mid day in Gaza, Zephaniah 2:4-5, and will virtually depopulate the entire Middle East region.
God's solution to the Middle East crisis! Jeremiah 10:18


In light of these Scriptures you brought up, where does Zechariah 14:16-19 fit chronologically? Before the fulfillment of those passages? Or post the fulfillment of those passages?
 
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Ezekiel 30:1-4 Egypt will be destroyed on the Day of the Lord. Revelation 6:12-17

As I've said, show me one verse where it say God shall destroy Egypt. You couldn't. You did provide a link to a chapter which talks about a man and his army destroying Egypt which I've always told you.

Ezekiel 30:11 He and his people with him, the most ruthless of the nations, will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.

In fact, a man shall make Egypt uninhabitable for 40 years.

Ezekiel 29:11 No foot of man or beast will pass through, and it will be uninhabited for forty years.


I told you so.
Ofcorse you can't fiqure out how a man can do that.
 
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As I've said, show me one verse where it say God shall destroy Egypt. You couldn't. You did provide a link to a chapter which talks about a man and his army destroying Egypt which I've always told you.

Ezekiel 30:11 He and his people with him, the most ruthless of the nations, will be brought in to destroy the land. They will draw their swords against Egypt and fill the land with the slain.

In fact, a man shall make Egypt uninhabitable for 40 years.

Ezekiel 29:11 No foot of man or beast will pass through, and it will be uninhabited for forty years.


I told you so.
Ofcorse you can't fiqure out how a man can do that.


There are some of us, me being one, who tend to think Ezekiel 29:11 hasn't even been fulfilled yet. Assuming this is the case, this 40 years could explain the desolation of Egypt in Joel 3:19, and that Zechariah 14:16-19 could still be meaning post the 2nd coming without contradicting anything.
 
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There are some of us, me being one, who tend to think Ezekiel 29:11 hasn't even been fulfilled yet. Assuming this is the case, this 40 years could explain the desolation of Egypt in Joel 3:19, and that Zechariah 14:16-19 could still be meaning post the 2nd coming without contradicting anything.
Egypt is destroyed by my country's president and our armed forces.

Daniel 11:42 He will extend his power over many countries, and not even the land of Egypt will escape.

Daniel 11:43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and over all the riches of Egypt, and the Libyans and Cushites will also submit to him.

My country keeps its wealth.

Ezekiel 29:19 Therefore this is what the Lord GOD says: I will give the land of Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, who will carry off its wealth, seize its spoil, and remove its plunder. This will be the wages for his army.
 
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