Did fallen angels break our code?

Paul4JC said:

Did I say half angel? So why even use the term Nephilim? Why is the word Nephilim in the bible? So we call any giant or man of renown a Nephilim?

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LOL!! Why is any word in the bible?!! It traditionally meant fallen ones---the angel part was added much later. They were a class apart from the rest of Jewish society for they were the product of men of God and unbelieving women---They were fallen from the rest of the believers, it is something that God always hated, and warned against. There was a man kill ed for marrying a heathen woman--both were killed. (Numb. 25) There came a time when a whole bunch of men had married pagan women---the prophet made them kick out all the women and the children. At least those weren't killed! That's in Ezra 10.
It's a problem that still occurs today for men always fall for the pretty little wild things instead of the perhaps plainer, but righteous women. That word is really only used that one time---the children of Anak were descendent from them, which, again, shows genetics at work. There are several words in the bible which are only used once or twice.

Paul4JC said:

So whenever we don't understand something in the bible, or it doesn't make sense, just use the symbolism/metaphor card?

Goliath was symbolism too? David never killed a giant? Nephilim never existed?

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Yes, they existed---they just were not half breed angels!

Paul4JC said:

So whenever we don't understand something in the bible, or it doesn't make sense, just use the symbolism/metaphor card?

Goliath was symbolism too? David never killed a giant? Nephilim never existed?

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You can treat Goliath as real but to us now he is symbolism, no different than where the stone came from and where it had sank into that killed him, but so was David who had a tabernacle named after him (like Moses) to prove it (but in symbolism he is much more than this to us, just as the ten spies with the bad report are, which is at the center of a mentality that caused them to wander around a mountain (Hagar as their mother … an Ishmael and not an Israel, and where Abraham sent him and his mother) in the wilderness for forty years, or 14,400, having come out of Egypt after spending 400 years, or 144000 days).

According to the Bible Goliath, or Anak and his sons were the descendants of a cursed son, the name which the land of promise bore until it became the name that God called his firstborn, by them passing over the Jordan (whose waters rolled all the way back to a city named Adam), and what came after this second time they entered into the land.

It simply follows a pattern in scripture that begins with the words Let there be light ...

mmksparbud said:

Nothing states that. 'MEN OF RENOWN." No mention of non-human abilities or genetics. Just read it as it states. People keep putting in words never mentioned.

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But how else would they have been able to become men of renown or heroes if they did not possess abilities others didn't have?

Paul4JC said:

So whenever we don't understand something in the bible, or it doesn't make sense, just use the symbolism/metaphor card?

Goliath was symbolism too? David never killed a giant? Nephilim never existed?

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Excellent point there.

Scott Husted said:

Jesus used Noah and his ark as symbolism ... Do you believe Paul and his Hagar analogy? Because it does not say anywhere in the OT that this was the case ...

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No He didn't. He presented Noah as a man who actually existed and the flood as an event that actually happened. And besides, why would the genealogy of Jesus contain the name of a man who never existed? Doesn't make sense to place the name of a mythical or allegorical figure in your genealogy. And if Sarah and Hagar were treated as only symbolic figures and not people who had actually existed, Paul would have been making his heritage and lineage out to be a fraud. Just because someone uses an illustration to teach a lesson, that does not necessarily mean that the figures used in the illustration are fabricated.

Contenders Edge said:

No He didn't. He presented Noah as a man who actually existed and the flood as an event that actually happened. And besides, why would the genealogy of Jesus contain the name of a man who never existed? Doesn't make sense to place the name of a mythical or allegorical figure in your genealogy. And if Sarah and Hagar were treated as only symbolic figures and not people who had actually existed, Paul would have been making his heritage and lineage out to be a fraud. Just because someone uses an illustration to teach a lesson, that does not necessarily mean that the figures used in the illustration are fabricated.

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I never said he, or she never existed ... or Goliath never existed (to me it really dry doesn't matter whether he did or didn't) ... the OT is filled with types, shadows, and symbolism that we simply can't close our eyes to so we can hold on to a doctrinal fantasy filled with sexual relationships between angels and humans (which really puts God in a bad light as one who does things without knowing the outcome before he does). We all should read/study the Bible and listen to the Spirit in us rather than using outside sources to form our opinion, and not the purpose of God.

Scott Husted said:

I never said he, or she never existed ... or Goliath never existed (to me it really dry doesn't matter whether he did or didn't) ... the OT is filled with types, shadows, and symbolism that we simply can't close our eyes to so we can hold on to a doctrinal fantasy filled with sexual relationships between angels and humans (which really puts God in a bad light as one who does things without knowing the outcome before he does). We all should read/study the Bible and listen to the Spirit in us rather than using outside sources to form our opinion, and not the purpose of God.

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The only types and shadows are what scripture declares to be a type and shadow and we cannot impose such an interpretation where the text does not warrant it and we cannot call a doctrinal fantasy what scripture calls history and fact and if you think that puts God in a bad light, that just goes to show how little you know of how the spiritual realm impacts the happenings of the physical realm; both good and evil. As I said in previous posts, the beings of the spiritual realm are not bound by the same laws that the things of the physical realm are.

Contenders Edge said:

The only types and shadows are what scripture declares to be a type and shadow and we cannot impose such an interpretation where the text does not warrant it and we cannot call a doctrinal fantasy what scripture calls history and fact and if you think that puts God in a bad light, that just goes to show how little you know of how the spiritual realm impacts the happenings of the physical realm; both good and evil. As I said in previous posts, the beings of the spiritual realm are not bound by the same laws that the things of the physical realm are.

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Perceptions everything ...

this rabbit hole will only lead you to watching YouTube videos of people uncovering obviously photoshopped skeletons of giants.

If the Nephilim word is related to clouds then it is only when Christ comes from heaven that those clouds are transformed by the Light of the sun into something that is useful. Being as the angels are who do not marry is the same symbol as those that are virgins. The Fallen Angels mating with women and making Giants is the same symbol as the drunk Harlot that sits on the Beast that has many heads. They are pictures of sin and it's spiritual effect versus Christ in us the hope of glory.

Scott Husted said:

Perceptions everything ...

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What the text says is everything: Nothing more nothing less.

It is impossible to destroy your subjective nature since that is part of the image of God in you. It is impossible to merely conform and believe and know what the Bible is without a self. We can only know truth because we are spirits. We can only believe because we are spirits. We judge what is the truth and we judge what is good. We are perceptions and desires and there is absolutely no escape from this truth because it is God's will. Objectivity is just a starting point just like our flesh is a starting point just like the world we are born into is a starting point just like what the Bible says is a starting point and God is Not exhausted with speaking and teaching us. Yes indeed he shall play with us forever.

Do not forget that God said he will send us the comforter who will lead us into all truth and so what use is it to me if I read the Bible and have pride in my understanding of what it says if God has not given me his holy spirit?

Is it useful or profitable for some to think that Angels Came, incarnated, had sex with women and made Giants? I don't know but God is the one that is wise. It takes two to tango. Make sure what you are is pleasing to God. All that you do, do in the name of the Lord.

Contenders Edge said:

While the logic behind this argument is understandable, it lacks scriptural support since the sons of God are depicted as a class of beings that are not human.

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Not according to Luke ...

Contenders Edge said:

What the text says is everything: Nothing more nothing less.

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I don't see where you hold to this ...

Scott Husted said:

Not according to Luke ...

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Mind narrowing that down?

Scott Husted said:

I don't see where you hold to this ...

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I don't see what is so hard to understand about it. It means what is says and says what it means. It was never designed to say or mean anything more than what it says.

Wow, this thread has expanded to 8 pages since I last replied. I can see that there are those who do not believe the Nephlims existed. They were just the sons of Seth who went astray, they are just symbolic and not something real, a myth, etc. Perfectly fine. But, I'm with those who believe the Nephilims existed, otherwise, why the distinctive name?

The angels were simply attracted to the women on Earth because they were beautiful. To get closer to them, they transformed themselves into a fully functional biological "male" human being. They then dated the women they desired, married them, and had children. The male population on Earth just cannot compete with them.

Of course, angels in their original spiritual state cannot procreate. However, they can transform themselves into a human being (Hebrews 13:2) to make this a possibility.

Darby Bible Translation
Jude 1:6 And angels who had not kept their own original state, but had abandoned their own dwelling

According to Jude, these angels did not keep their original state (spirit) but abandoned heaven, headed for planet Earth to be with the woman they loved. This is more like Superman giving up all his powers to become a human being for the woman he loved, Lois Lane.

However, this union is an abomination of creation. Punishment awaits them, in which they will be kept in eternal chains in utter darkness. The angels who sinned knew this, but they couldn't help themselves since the day the Lord created the woman.

The woman was like the forbidden fruit for them. It was enticing and attractive.

This forbidden union gave birth to a new race of super humans, called the Nephilims or Nephal Elohims -- the fallen (nephal) gods (elohim). These fallen gods were the heroes of ancient times, like the Greek gods, Zeus, Thor, Hercules, Mercury, and Mars. These superheroes also married normal people and they all multiplied on the face of the Earth, leaving only 8 human beings of Adam's original bloodline.

After the flood, I'm not sure how some of them survived, but, they were flourishing in the land of Canaan. Other races of the Nephilim bloodline includes the Rephaim, Zamzumims, Emims, and Anakims.

Anyway, I'm getting lazy typing all of these, lol.

Thanks for reading and please excuse me for the typos and grammar mistakes as I don't really bother correcting them as I type. I'll correct them later when I'm not lazy. lol

Contenders Edge said:

I don't see what is so hard to understand about it. It means what is says and says what it means. It was never designed to say or mean anything more than what it says.

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That's not what I see in your posts ...

Contenders Edge said:

Mind narrowing that down?

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It wouldn't matter

DebbieJ said:

Wow, this thread has expanded to 8 pages since I last replied. I can see that there are those who do not believe the Nephlims existed. They were just the sons of Seth who went astray, they are just symbolic and not something real, a myth, etc. Perfectly fine. But, I'm with those who believe the Nephilims existed, otherwise, why the distinctive name?

The angels were simply attracted to the women on Earth because they were beautiful. To get closer to them, they transformed themselves into a fully functional biological "male" human being. They then dated the women they desired, married them, and had children. The male population on Earth just cannot compete with them.

Of course, angels in their original spiritual state cannot procreate. However, they can transform themselves into a human being (Hebrews 13:2) to make this a possibility.

Darby Bible Translation
Jude 1:6 And angels who had not kept their own original state, but had abandoned their own dwelling

According to Jude, these angels did not keep their original state (spirit) but abandoned heaven, headed for planet Earth to be with the woman they loved. This is more like Superman giving up all his powers to become a human being for the woman he loved, Lois Lane.

However, this union is an abomination of creation. Punishment awaits them, in which they will be kept in eternal chains in utter darkness. The angels who sinned knew this, but they couldn't help themselves since the day the Lord created the woman.

The woman was like the forbidden fruit for them. It was enticing and attractive.

This forbidden union gave birth to a new race of super humans, called the Nephilims or Nephal Elohims -- the fallen (nephal) gods (elohim). These fallen gods were the heroes of ancient times, like the Greek gods, Zeus, Thor, Hercules, Mercury, and Mars. These superheroes also married normal people and they all multiplied on the face of the Earth, leaving only 8 human beings of Adam's original bloodline.

After the flood, I'm not sure how some of them survived, but, they were flourishing in the land of Canaan. Other races of the Nephilim bloodline includes the Rephaim, Zamzumims, Emims, and Anakims.

Anyway, I'm getting lazy typing all of these, lol.

Thanks for reading and please excuse me for the typos and grammar mistakes as I don't really bother correcting them as I type. I'll correct them later when I'm not lazy. lol

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You bring up a lot of points that need to be considered and it is not that the Nephilim survived the flood, but at some point after the flood, the wicked angels proceeded to do the same things as they had done before which resulted in the Nephilim in the first place. Remember the part of the passage where it was written that there were giants in those days (before the flood) and afterward (after the flood)