Did Adam and Eve even stand a chance?

1213 said:

And, if we for example read the book of Job, I think Satan shows in that book he is not too intelligent. In that book he shows he doesn’t know as well as God and also shows his true nature by torturing people just in attempt to prove all knowing wrong. At the same time, he shows that God is good, great and wise.

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JohnB445 said:

Lucifer is an extremely intelligent fallen angel that has deceived 1/3 of other angels into following him.

God freshly made Adam and Eve and they also fell for the schemes of the fallen angel. Does this show that Lucifer and fallen angel's are more intelligent than humans?

Did Adam and Eve fall because they were not intelligent enough? Well if they were intelligent enough wouldn't they never had fallen for it, or did it have nothing to do with intelligence?

Lucifer has been studying mankind for the past 6000 years and has lived longer than any humans ever had.

The Calvinists have a good response towards this, is that it further shows how helpless humans are, and their need for Christ. And it glorifies God when God saves them from the captivity that they were once blinded by.

One good reason why I lean more towards predestination.

Because the opposite would just be sinful man with his own freewill making wise intellectual choices and once they make the final intellectual decision of coming to Christ, God gives them eternal life making it contingent on intellectual mental works.

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JohnB445 said:

Lucifer is an extremely intelligent fallen angel that has deceived 1/3 of other angels into following him.

God freshly made Adam and Eve and they also fell for the schemes of the fallen angel. Does this show that Lucifer and fallen angel's are more intelligent than humans?

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timothyu said:

If you look at it from the Hebrew angle, God created the Tempter for the very purpose shown in Job ....

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