The first resurection

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This world is out of control because and to the extent that God is allowing it.

I never said that Christ does not have all the power to subdue an out-of-control world under His feet NOW. I never said that.

Again, it's manifest in the fact that Hebrews (scripture) explicitly states that we see not yet all things placed under His feet, and the kingdoms of this world are not yet become His kingdom, that though He already has the power, He has not yet taken His great power and reigned in full.

Not only is God still allowing challenges to the power and authority of Christ and still allowing man, in his rebellion against the authority of Christ, to spin out of control, but Satan will give the beast to be destroyed by Christ its power, throne and great authority.

The only way what you say can be true is if we are already living in the millennial reign of Christ and all things - Satan, the beast, false prophet, all false religions, etc etc etc have already been subdued under His feet - but Hebrews tells us we do not see it yet - and since we do not yet see it, it means it's still coming.

The Lord Jesus Christ has the power to defeat all enemies NOW, but God has preordained the way He will bring all prophecies and all promises to pass, and when He will do so. You guys (A-millennialists) are just jumping the gun.

Exactly. So you have no argument about we are living in the millennium because only Christ will be reigning in the millennium with all enemies under His feet except the last enemy - death (1 Corinthians 15). Your arguments contradict one another. It's because A-millennialists have jumped the gun.

Exactly. Doesn't detract from the fact that He is still allowing it. Roll on the millennium when the beast and its false prophet will have been destroyed in the lake of fire by Christ, and the devil who gave that beast its power, seat and great authority is bound for a thousand years.

The rest of your post are just repeats of the same arguments in which you have contradicted yourself.

A king who has all authority in his kingdom may permit adversaries to continue to wreak havoc for a time. Doesn't mean the king has no power to put a stop to it when he chooses.

The Great King has been permitting Satan to wreak havoc in the world since he deceived Eve in the garden. Asking why He who has all authority in heaven and on earth and under the earth is still permitting man to rebel and wreak havoc is the same as asking why He did not bind Satan after the fall of Adam, or after Cain killed Abel, or after the flood, or after Israel conquered Canaan, or after Babylon was destroyed, or after Christ died and rose again and ascended into heaven and sat down on the throne of God, at the right hand of the Father, and all authority in heaven and on earth and under the earth was given to Him. .

We do not see all things placed under His feet yet. He has not bound Satan yet. He will not only bind Satan a thousand years but He will destroy him a thousand years after He returns and defeats and destroys the beast Satan gave its power, throne and great authority.

You're just jumping the gun and slicing a thousand years out of the Great King's pre-ordained plan.

Premil is always exalting the influence of Satan. It portrays a small impotent Jesus, a powerless Church and a big devil. Amil and Postmil on the other hand have a big Jesus, a powerful Church and a small devil. There is multiple Scripture that shows the redeemed have power over Satan in this new covenant period. There is not one that says he has power over us. As the light is shone through the great commission, Satan is dethroned in the lives of humans and blindfolds are removed. Christ gave the Church power over Satan and his minions. They have authority to bind Satan and spoil his goods. We are the Lord's voice, hands and feet on this earth to enforce His will!

Jesus said Revelation 3:21: “I … overcame.”

Revelation 5:5 tells us: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed.

Christ announced to His disciples in Matthew 28:18, “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”

With Christ’s mission successfully accomplished and Satan’s power curtailed the playing field was wide open for the disciples to take the Gospel to the nations. Nothing could stop the progress of God’s truth; no scheme of man, no power of hell was strong enough to resist the Gospel advance. Christ had secured the eternal victory over hell.

Time and time again Scripture identifies Christ’s earthly ministry, and especially His death, burial and resurrection, as the time when the devil was spiritually restricted (or bound) from operating in his former manner. I John 3:8 declares, For this purpose the son of God was manifested, that he might destroy (or luo or undo) the works of the devil.”

The devil sustained a significant spiritual head-blow at Calvary (as predicted in Genesis 3), which has restricted his wide area of influence in this world. Countless multitudes have been rescued from the grip of Satan. Christ came with that expressed assignment to destroy the devil by bruising and crushing the serpent's head. Before the Cross he deluded all the nations of the world apart from the highly favored nation of natural Israel. Tiny Israel was the epicenter of God’s plan of salvation before the cross, although even choice Israel was in a state of apostasy when Christ arrived. This is demonstrated by the fact there were only two godly believers waiting for Him when He first appeared in the temple – Simeon and Anna.

Colossians 2:13-15 tells us: “And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh (speaking about the Gentiles), hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled (or divested or disarmed) principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.”

The victory of the cross was the key to spoiling Satan's power and kingdom. It stripped him of his enormous unchallenged global influence, caused him to be dethroned in untold millions of heathen lives and ensured he was curtailed in countless Gentile villages, towns and cities throughout the world through the faithful preaching of the Word of God.

2 Peter 2:4, God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.”

Jude supports the view of a current binding of the whole kingdom of darkness, in v 6, when he says, the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”

It would seem that anyone that had no theological axe to grind would easily see an allusion to the whole demonic realm in these descriptions. Most balanced theologians would accept that there are only two angelic groupings – the elect angels and the demonic angels. The righteous angels are located within the kingdom of God and the wicked angels within the kingdom of darkness. These are that are ruled by two opposing kings.
 
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The New Birth is the first resurrection.

You said:
The New Birth is the first resurrection

Hooray for you. You are exactly correct although
very few churches teach this today. Nice to see that
some people still understand that (our souls) being
translated from DEATH into LIFE = First Resurrection.

I believe this doctrine was more common in the past.
I remember some preaching on it in Reformed and
Orthodox Protestant churches many decades ago.
Today it's very rare to see that understanding.

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The living Christ is coming as “King of kings
and Lord of lords” (Revelation 19:11-21),
to put down the rebellion of warring nations.
(Revelation 17:14), and establish God’s
world-ruling government over all nations.
(Daniel 2:44; 7:9, 13-14, 18, 22, 27; Isaiah 9:7)

He went away (to heaven) to be coronated,
and to return to Earth (Luke 19:12-27).
He will then be on the Earth—Zechariah 14:3-4,
1 Thessalonians 4:16 (Nahum 1:5)

“We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
which art, and wast, [and art to come]; because
thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and
hast reigned” , (Revelation 11:17)

-The seventh angel sounds- The Kingdoms
of this current world are to become Christs.
(Revelation 11:15)

-The nations will be angry at His coming
(Revelation 11:15 with Revelation 11:18),
and the military forces will actually attempt
to fight to destroy Him! (Revelation 17:14).
-today’s cities will be mostly destroyed
(eg. Ezekiel 6:6; Ezekiel 12:20)

-Will commit thy government into his hand, es-
tablished with judgement and justice(Isa 22:21)
-Of the increase of his government and peace
there shall be no end, upon the throne of David,
and upon his kingdom,...(Isaiah 9:7)

A vision of the Beginning of that rule and world
government “And I saw thrones, and they sat
upon them, and judgment was given unto them…
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand
years” (Revelation 20:4).(Isaiah 11:2-4)

And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another,..
(Matthew 25:32)
-
Jesus said:“And he that overcometh, and keepeth
my works unto the end, to him will I give power
over the nations: And he shall rule them with a
rod of iron” (Revelation 2:26-27).

And again, “To him that overcometh will I
grant to sit with me in my throne [on this Earth]”
(Revelation 3:21; Luke 1:32-33). And, “…we
shall reign on the earth” (Revelation 5:10).

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my
Father hath appointed unto me;(Luke 22:29)
Some resurrected saints will rule over 10 cities,
some over five. The parables of the pounds
(Luke 19:11-27) and talents (Matthew 25:14-30)

-A nation will be born at once (Isaiah 66:8)
Saints shall take the kingdom, and possess
the kingdom for ever, (Daniel 7:18)
We shall inherit the earth. (Psalms 25:13-
22:26, 37:9, 22,29) not being flesh and blood.

-God chose Jerusalem (1 Kings 8:53) and
shall choose Jerusalem again (Zechariah 2:12)
-Christ, himself, will be ruling from
Jerusalem, King over all the earth.

-King David, will be king, under Moses, over
all twelve nations of Israel (Jeremiah 30:9;
Ezekiel 34:23-24; Ezekiel 37:24-25).

-The original twelve apostles will be king, under
David, over one of these nations Matthew 19:28

"It was round about eighteen thousand
measures: and the name of the city from that
day shall be, The Lord is there. (Ezekiel 48:35)

"At that time they shall call Jerusalem the
throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall
be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord,
to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any
more after the imagination of their evil heart.
(Jeremiah 3:17)

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness,
and [all kings thy glory]: and thou shalt
be called by a new name, which the mouth
of the Lord shall name. (Isaiah 62:2)

-Jerusalem, the future headquarters
city of the Earth (Haggai 2:6-8).
-Land Beneath Sea Reclaimed, converted
to Jerusalem (Isaiah 60:5, Isaiah 11:15).
-Gods latter house shall be greater
than of the former (Haggai 2:9).

"And he shall set up an ensign for the nations,
and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel,
and gather together the dispersed of Judah
from the four corners of the earth. (Isaiah 11:12

Joel 3:10 will be reversed, “All nations .. shall
beat their swords into plowshares, and their
spears into pruninghooks ….” (Isaiah 2:2-4

-Desolate land shall be tilled - will be
like the garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:34-35)

-The repairer of the breach, The restorer
of paths to dwell in. (Isaiah 58:12)
-Repair the waste cities, the desolations
of many generations” (Isaiah 61:4).
-Build the waste cities-fresh produce-drink
there own wine-farming (Amos 9:14)

-Waste cities “filled with flocks of men”
being very social (Ezekiel 36:36-38)
-Superhighways between major cities
(Isaiah 19:23)

-Cities being crime-free , dwell safely-none
be made afraid (Ezekiel 34:28), (Micah 4:4)
-No more Violence, nor wasting,
nor destruction (Isaiah 60:18)

-Cities overflow with prosperity (Zechariah 1:17)
-Equitable property distribution, every man shall
own his vine and fig tree (Micah 4:4, Leviticus 25

-“Joy and gladness-thanksgiving-the voice
of melody. (Isaiah 51:3) (Jeremiah 33:10-11)
-Where old men and old women dwell -full
of boys and girls playing (Zechariah 8:4-5)

-No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous
beast shall go up. (Isaiah 35:9 )
-There will be Shepherds and local
animal husbandry (Jeremiah 33:12)

-Pure Water—Fertile Deserts where
trees grow (Isaiah 35) the Dead Sea’s
“waters shall be healed” Ezekiel 47
Fishermen will line the banks catching fish.

-No more hunger-He will raise up a plant
of renown for food. (Ezekiel 34:29)

-A new sharp threshing instrument -the
mountains made small (Isaiah 41:14-16)
-If any thrist and seek water, the God of
Israel will not forsake them. Isaiah 41:17-18

Trees planted and growing-consider and
understand that the Eternal hath done this,
and [the Holy One of Israel] hath created it” .
(Isaiah 41:19-20)

--All will speak the same language, a pure
language from God (Zephaniah 3:9).
God will also destroy the idols (Ezekiel 30:13
(Micah 5:10-15), (Zechariah 13:2)
no more worship the workof thine hands.

The [Eternal] is our lawgiver (Isaiah 33:21)
God’s law and the Word of the Eternal shall go
forth from Zion, spreading over the whole Earth
(Isaiah 2:3). God’s Holy Spirit shall flow out
from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:8).

“And many nations shall come(Isaiah 2:3,Micah 4:2 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. (Isaiah 11:9)

"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord,
every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue
shall confess to God. (Romans 14:11)

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they
break forth into singing. (Isaiah 14:7) All the
earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto
thee; they shall sing to thy name. (Psalms 66:4

-God has spoken it, and He is not one
to go back on His word (Isaiah 55:11)
 
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We are heirs to the kingdom.
Flesh and blood cannot see, hear,
enter, or inherit the kingdom.

Christ came to introduce a spiritual kingdom that was entered not by sight but only by faith. Jesus declared in John 3:3, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

This is expressly a spiritual kingdom as it relates to the spiritual realm. The blessing and rewards of the kingdom are plainly spiritual in nature and pertain exclusively to the repentant sinner. It relates to the unseen realm where the people are governed by their mediator King. A kingdom must have a king to be considered a kingdom. Christ rules this kingdom, not by force, but love. Those that subject to His authority are administered by the Word of God and the Spirit of God. Premil denies Christ His current kingship over His spiritual domain with its constant future focus upon the kinship of Christ. Whilst there is a future aspect to Christ’s kingship, there is also the current reality.

Romans 14:17-18 says, For the kingdom of God is … righteousness and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things (1) serveth Christ (2) is acceptable to God, and (3) approved of men.”

1 Corinthians 4:20 says, the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power (or) dunámei.”

Q. Is the redeemed Church synonymous with the kingdom of God?

A. The redeemed Church is not strictly the kingdom of God per se; it is part of the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is a lot broader and includes the heavenly realm or territory, which evidently does not come under the more limited definition of the Church. It also includes the Godhead, which does not come under the more limited definition of the Church. It includes the righteous angelic world, which again, is clearly not the Church. The term the kingdom of God is therefore much wider than redeemed sinners – Old and New Testament, it includes the heavenly domain, it's laws, and the unseen world. The Church is restricted to redeemed human beings. Angels cannot be part of the Church, yet they are part of the kingdom.
 
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Christ came to introduce a spiritual kingdom that was entered not by sight but only by faith. Jesus declared in John 3:3, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

We are begotten now , not born again yet.
We will be changed to spirit when Christ returns
 
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The living Christ is coming as “King of kings
and Lord of lords” (Revelation 19:11-21),
to put down the rebellion of warring nations.
(Revelation 17:14), and establish God’s
world-ruling government over all nations.
(Daniel 2:44; 7:9, 13-14, 18, 22, 27; Isaiah 9:7)

He went away (to heaven) to be coronated,
and to return to Earth (Luke 19:12-27).
He will then be on the Earth—Zechariah 14:3-4,
1 Thessalonians 4:16 (Nahum 1:5)

“We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
which art, and wast, [and art to come]; because
thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and
hast reigned” , (Revelation 11:17)

-The seventh angel sounds- The Kingdoms
of this current world are to become Christs.
(Revelation 11:15)

-The nations will be angry at His coming
(Revelation 11:15 with Revelation 11:18),
and the military forces will actually attempt
to fight to destroy Him! (Revelation 17:14).
-today’s cities will be mostly destroyed
(eg. Ezekiel 6:6; Ezekiel 12:20)

-Will commit thy government into his hand, es-
tablished with judgement and justice(Isa 22:21)
-Of the increase of his government and peace
there shall be no end, upon the throne of David,
and upon his kingdom,...(Isaiah 9:7)

A vision of the Beginning of that rule and world
government “And I saw thrones, and they sat
upon them, and judgment was given unto them…
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand
years” (Revelation 20:4).(Isaiah 11:2-4)

And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another,..
(Matthew 25:32)
-
Jesus said:“And he that overcometh, and keepeth
my works unto the end, to him will I give power
over the nations: And he shall rule them with a
rod of iron” (Revelation 2:26-27).

And again, “To him that overcometh will I
grant to sit with me in my throne [on this Earth]”
(Revelation 3:21; Luke 1:32-33). And, “…we
shall reign on the earth” (Revelation 5:10).

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my
Father hath appointed unto me;(Luke 22:29)
Some resurrected saints will rule over 10 cities,
some over five. The parables of the pounds
(Luke 19:11-27) and talents (Matthew 25:14-30)

-A nation will be born at once (Isaiah 66:8)
Saints shall take the kingdom, and possess
the kingdom for ever, (Daniel 7:18)
We shall inherit the earth. (Psalms 25:13-
22:26, 37:9, 22,29) not being flesh and blood.

-God chose Jerusalem (1 Kings 8:53) and
shall choose Jerusalem again (Zechariah 2:12)
-Christ, himself, will be ruling from
Jerusalem, King over all the earth.

-King David, will be king, under Moses, over
all twelve nations of Israel (Jeremiah 30:9;
Ezekiel 34:23-24; Ezekiel 37:24-25).

-The original twelve apostles will be king, under
David, over one of these nations Matthew 19:28

"It was round about eighteen thousand
measures: and the name of the city from that
day shall be, The Lord is there. (Ezekiel 48:35)

"At that time they shall call Jerusalem the
throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall
be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord,
to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any
more after the imagination of their evil heart.
(Jeremiah 3:17)

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness,
and [all kings thy glory]: and thou shalt
be called by a new name, which the mouth
of the Lord shall name. (Isaiah 62:2)

-Jerusalem, the future headquarters
city of the Earth (Haggai 2:6-8).
-Land Beneath Sea Reclaimed, converted
to Jerusalem (Isaiah 60:5, Isaiah 11:15).
-Gods latter house shall be greater
than of the former (Haggai 2:9).

"And he shall set up an ensign for the nations,
and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel,
and gather together the dispersed of Judah
from the four corners of the earth. (Isaiah 11:12

Joel 3:10 will be reversed, “All nations .. shall
beat their swords into plowshares, and their
spears into pruninghooks ….” (Isaiah 2:2-4

-Desolate land shall be tilled - will be
like the garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:34-35)

-The repairer of the breach, The restorer
of paths to dwell in. (Isaiah 58:12)
-Repair the waste cities, the desolations
of many generations” (Isaiah 61:4).
-Build the waste cities-fresh produce-drink
there own wine-farming (Amos 9:14)

-Waste cities “filled with flocks of men”
being very social (Ezekiel 36:36-38)
-Superhighways between major cities
(Isaiah 19:23)

-Cities being crime-free , dwell safely-none
be made afraid (Ezekiel 34:28), (Micah 4:4)
-No more Violence, nor wasting,
nor destruction (Isaiah 60:18)

-Cities overflow with prosperity (Zechariah 1:17)
-Equitable property distribution, every man shall
own his vine and fig tree (Micah 4:4, Leviticus 25

-“Joy and gladness-thanksgiving-the voice
of melody. (Isaiah 51:3) (Jeremiah 33:10-11)
-Where old men and old women dwell -full
of boys and girls playing (Zechariah 8:4-5)

-No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous
beast shall go up. (Isaiah 35:9 )
-There will be Shepherds and local
animal husbandry (Jeremiah 33:12)

-Pure Water—Fertile Deserts where
trees grow (Isaiah 35) the Dead Sea’s
“waters shall be healed” Ezekiel 47
Fishermen will line the banks catching fish.

-No more hunger-He will raise up a plant
of renown for food. (Ezekiel 34:29)

-A new sharp threshing instrument -the
mountains made small (Isaiah 41:14-16)
-If any thrist and seek water, the God of
Israel will not forsake them. Isaiah 41:17-18

Trees planted and growing-consider and
understand that the Eternal hath done this,
and [the Holy One of Israel] hath created it” .
(Isaiah 41:19-20)

--All will speak the same language, a pure
language from God (Zephaniah 3:9).
God will also destroy the idols (Ezekiel 30:13
(Micah 5:10-15), (Zechariah 13:2)
no more worship the workof thine hands.

The [Eternal] is our lawgiver (Isaiah 33:21)
God’s law and the Word of the Eternal shall go
forth from Zion, spreading over the whole Earth
(Isaiah 2:3). God’s Holy Spirit shall flow out
from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:8).

“And many nations shall come(Isaiah 2:3,Micah 4:2 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. (Isaiah 11:9)

"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord,
every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue
shall confess to God. (Romans 14:11)

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they
break forth into singing. (Isaiah 14:7) All the
earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto
thee; they shall sing to thy name. (Psalms 66:4

-God has spoken it, and He is not one
to go back on His word (Isaiah 55:11)

It is truly hard to take the Premil portrayal of the new earth serious. Premil presents a new earth and a future kingdom filled with feigned worship from a kingdom full of phonies. If it is not spontaneous and sincere then it is a religious circus. Premil has Jesus hoodwinked thinking He has global submission, when in fact it is all forced and pretend. You would imagine that the Son of God, the king of glory would have some type of inkling of these millennial deceivers. So much for deception being lifted! In the Premil scheme you have Christ deceived by these phony religious devotees travelling to Jerusalem every yr to act out their forced worship or else you have Him willingly presiding over a prolonged sham. Neither of these lines up with Scripture.

In the Premil paradigm, we have the amazing spectacle of the massed ranks of the perfected saints sitting in the bleachers watching the feigned worship of the millennial wicked mortals coupled with the pointless slaughter of numerous innocent animals by the religious Jews with the reintroduction of the Judaic ceremonial sacrifices. This can only be described as an unprecedented unadulterated religious farce.

It is beyond credible reality and biblical authority to suggest that these millennial unregenerate mortals have the ability to abide the presence of the glorified Christ for over a thousand years never mind resist His persuasive overtures for a thousand years as our Saviour sits resplendent in all His eternal unveiled glory

These millennial phonies inherit a new earth supposedly ruled by Christ and the saints in righteousness with a rod of iron. They are confronted at every turn with the myriads of glorified redeemed that have populated the earth in their perfect bodies and are walking proof of the ongoing reality and truth of the reigning Christ yet these millennial rebels choose to walk in their rebellion.

These millennial mortals must qualify to be the most belligerent, stiff-necked, hard-nosed, stubborn, obstinate company of humans ever to grace this earth. They are way more intransigent than the Pharisees that only had 3 ½ years of resisting the person and ministry in his mortal body. For 1,000 years they refuse to receive the glorified Christ sitting in all His eternal majesty. How could they resist Him? How could they deny His authenticity?

As for the poor lambs, goats and calves that have been lulled into a false sense of peace in this kingdom of Aquarius fellowshipping with leopards, bears and lions, they should be extremely vigilant and very nervous, looking over their backs as often as they can at the sound of every truck, because they will soon be dragged off to the Zadokic abattoir to be butchered in order to cleanse the sin of Israel’s iniquity because the blood of Christ was not enough to meet that great need.

These millennial charlatans change in a twinkling of an eye when Satan is released at the end. They are obviously agents of Satan that have overtaken the earth and are simply waiting for their master to lead them into battle in the final end-time war against righteousness and truth. Their allegiance is clear. Their sinful corrupt natures (like ours) came at birth not when Satan raises his ugly head. The millennium is infested with all the same blight of corruption as we endure now - death, sin and wickedness. So much for the Premil boast that these millennial half-breeds will learn war no more??? What are they fighting with? Water pistols and water balloons?

As for your false hope of the removal of the bondage of corruption (namely the end of sin, death and decay), the Premil millennium is more of the same: sweat, death, and decay continue unabated and actually prospers.

This is whole scene is fanciful and unthinkable.
 
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All that and not one bible verse

LOL. I was describing your theology. No Scripture actually exist to support it! You steal passages related to "the last days" and "the NHNE" to support your error. No Scripture is safe in Premil hermeneutics.

There is countless Scripture that teaches a climactic coming of Christ.

The second coming brings a close to the day of salvation. Repeated Scripture shows that now is the only day of salvation. After showing us the destruction of this earth, the works that are in it, the heavens, the elements when Jesus comes, and after describing the longsuffering of God in the days of Noah before the destruction of all the wicked, Peter responds to the mockers scoffing at the apparent delay in Christ's return: “the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation” (2 Peter 3:15). See also Romans 2:4. He was reaffirming that salvation is limited to this side of the second coming. A sign of the end is that the Gospel must “be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come" (Matthew 24:14). The second coming brings the curtain down on the great commission. Once the ark door closes it is too late (Matthew 25:10-13 & Matt 28:19-20).

The age to come has no room for "mortals" (Luke 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 and Revelation 21-22) or the unregenerate (Psalms 37:9-11, Luke 17:26-30, 1 Corinthians 6:9, I Thessalonians 5:2-3, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10). This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

John 6:39-44, 54, John 11:21-27, John 12:48, Ephesians 1:10 and Revelation 10:5-7 would seem to suggest that time reaches its fullness at the climactic return of Christ. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Luke 20:34-36, Acts 3:19-21, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55 ,1 Peter 1:3-5 and Revelation 21:1-5) all show that the end of the bondage of corrupt occurs when Jesus comes. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

1 Corinthians 13:12, Ephesians 4:13 and Revelation 10:5-7 show that the curtain coming down on the mystery of God, thus confirming we are at the end of time and entering into eternity when all will finally be revealed. This would be a strong argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Repeated Scripture locates the replacement of the current heavens and earth with the new heavens and earth and incorruption at the second coming. Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15 shows us that this occurs at the second coming. This is indeed the end of time, the end of corruption, the end of the wicked, the end of sin, the end of death, the end for the devil. It is the beginning of eternity. It is the beginning of perfection. It is the beginning of incorruption. It is the beginning of a new arrangement.

It seems like whatever angle you examine the second coming it appears to be climactic, final and glorious.
 
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It is truly hard to believe that people say
that the [reign for a 1000 years on earth]
means an undetermined amount of time.

Really! If you are so adamant in interpreting 1,000 years hyper-literally, how long is the “one hour” that the beast reigns with the “ten kings” in Revelation 17:12 is? i.e. is it sixty minutes?
 
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Please address what I wrote instead of nitpicking.
I did respond to your post.
There is a big difference between being begotten
now, and being born a spirit being at Christs return.
 
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The living Christ is coming as “King of kings
and Lord of lords” (Revelation 19:11-21),
to put down the rebellion of warring nations.
(Revelation 17:14), and establish God’s
world-ruling government over all nations.
(Daniel 2:44; 7:9, 13-14, 18, 22, 27; Isaiah 9:7)

He went away (to heaven) to be coronated,
and to return to Earth (Luke 19:12-27).
He will then be on the Earth—Zechariah 14:3-4,
1 Thessalonians 4:16 (Nahum 1:5)

“We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
which art, and wast, [and art to come]; because
thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and
hast reigned” , (Revelation 11:17)

-The seventh angel sounds- The Kingdoms
of this current world are to become Christs.
(Revelation 11:15)

-The nations will be angry at His coming
(Revelation 11:15 with Revelation 11:18),
and the military forces will actually attempt
to fight to destroy Him! (Revelation 17:14).
-today’s cities will be mostly destroyed
(eg. Ezekiel 6:6; Ezekiel 12:20)

-Will commit thy government into his hand, es-
tablished with judgement and justice(Isa 22:21)
-Of the increase of his government and peace
there shall be no end, upon the throne of David,
and upon his kingdom,...(Isaiah 9:7)

A vision of the Beginning of that rule and world
government “And I saw thrones, and they sat
upon them, and judgment was given unto them…
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand
years” (Revelation 20:4).(Isaiah 11:2-4)

And before him shall be gathered all nations:
and he shall separate them one from another,..
(Matthew 25:32)
-
Jesus said:“And he that overcometh, and keepeth
my works unto the end, to him will I give power
over the nations: And he shall rule them with a
rod of iron” (Revelation 2:26-27).

And again, “To him that overcometh will I
grant to sit with me in my throne [on this Earth]”
(Revelation 3:21; Luke 1:32-33). And, “…we
shall reign on the earth” (Revelation 5:10).

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my
Father hath appointed unto me;(Luke 22:29)
Some resurrected saints will rule over 10 cities,
some over five. The parables of the pounds
(Luke 19:11-27) and talents (Matthew 25:14-30)

-A nation will be born at once (Isaiah 66:8)
Saints shall take the kingdom, and possess
the kingdom for ever, (Daniel 7:18)
We shall inherit the earth. (Psalms 25:13-
22:26, 37:9, 22,29) not being flesh and blood.

-God chose Jerusalem (1 Kings 8:53) and
shall choose Jerusalem again (Zechariah 2:12)
-Christ, himself, will be ruling from
Jerusalem, King over all the earth.

-King David, will be king, under Moses, over
all twelve nations of Israel (Jeremiah 30:9;
Ezekiel 34:23-24; Ezekiel 37:24-25).

-The original twelve apostles will be king, under
David, over one of these nations Matthew 19:28

"It was round about eighteen thousand
measures: and the name of the city from that
day shall be, The Lord is there. (Ezekiel 48:35)

"At that time they shall call Jerusalem the
throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall
be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord,
to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any
more after the imagination of their evil heart.
(Jeremiah 3:17)

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness,
and [all kings thy glory]: and thou shalt
be called by a new name, which the mouth
of the Lord shall name. (Isaiah 62:2)

-Jerusalem, the future headquarters
city of the Earth (Haggai 2:6-8).
-Land Beneath Sea Reclaimed, converted
to Jerusalem (Isaiah 60:5, Isaiah 11:15).
-Gods latter house shall be greater
than of the former (Haggai 2:9).

"And he shall set up an ensign for the nations,
and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel,
and gather together the dispersed of Judah
from the four corners of the earth. (Isaiah 11:12

Joel 3:10 will be reversed, “All nations .. shall
beat their swords into plowshares, and their
spears into pruninghooks ….” (Isaiah 2:2-4

-Desolate land shall be tilled - will be
like the garden of Eden (Ezekiel 36:34-35)

-The repairer of the breach, The restorer
of paths to dwell in. (Isaiah 58:12)
-Repair the waste cities, the desolations
of many generations” (Isaiah 61:4).
-Build the waste cities-fresh produce-drink
there own wine-farming (Amos 9:14)

-Waste cities “filled with flocks of men”
being very social (Ezekiel 36:36-38)
-Superhighways between major cities
(Isaiah 19:23)

-Cities being crime-free , dwell safely-none
be made afraid (Ezekiel 34:28), (Micah 4:4)
-No more Violence, nor wasting,
nor destruction (Isaiah 60:18)

-Cities overflow with prosperity (Zechariah 1:17)
-Equitable property distribution, every man shall
own his vine and fig tree (Micah 4:4, Leviticus 25

-“Joy and gladness-thanksgiving-the voice
of melody. (Isaiah 51:3) (Jeremiah 33:10-11)
-Where old men and old women dwell -full
of boys and girls playing (Zechariah 8:4-5)

-No lion shall be there, nor any ravenous
beast shall go up. (Isaiah 35:9 )
-There will be Shepherds and local
animal husbandry (Jeremiah 33:12)

-Pure Water—Fertile Deserts where
trees grow (Isaiah 35) the Dead Sea’s
“waters shall be healed” Ezekiel 47
Fishermen will line the banks catching fish.

-No more hunger-He will raise up a plant
of renown for food. (Ezekiel 34:29)

-A new sharp threshing instrument -the
mountains made small (Isaiah 41:14-16)
-If any thrist and seek water, the God of
Israel will not forsake them. Isaiah 41:17-18

Trees planted and growing-consider and
understand that the Eternal hath done this,
and [the Holy One of Israel] hath created it” .
(Isaiah 41:19-20)

--All will speak the same language, a pure
language from God (Zephaniah 3:9).
God will also destroy the idols (Ezekiel 30:13
(Micah 5:10-15), (Zechariah 13:2)
no more worship the workof thine hands.

The [Eternal] is our lawgiver (Isaiah 33:21)
God’s law and the Word of the Eternal shall go
forth from Zion, spreading over the whole Earth
(Isaiah 2:3). God’s Holy Spirit shall flow out
from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:8).

“And many nations shall come(Isaiah 2:3,Micah 4:2 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea. (Isaiah 11:9)

"For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord,
every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue
shall confess to God. (Romans 14:11)

The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they
break forth into singing. (Isaiah 14:7) All the
earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto
thee; they shall sing to thy name. (Psalms 66:4

-God has spoken it, and He is not one
to go back on His word (Isaiah 55:11)


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I see from your post that you have conflated many verses
with a spiritual meaning as being literal. But I am not interested
in going through your comments one-by-one.

I am interested in your understanding to the following:

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Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Mat 22:2 and the Jewish "Kingdom of God" in Mat 21:43

Jesus specifically NAMED the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 13.... in eight different verses.

Jesus specifically NAMED the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew 25:1

And Jesus specifically NAMED the Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven"
in Matthew chapters 5 and 7 and 8 and 19.

The ONLY "Kingdom of Heaven" not specifically NAMED by Jesus
is the (1st) Pre-Flood Kingdom containing all the saints from
Adam to Noah.

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While the first four (4) "Kingdoms of Heaven" were
(1) temporal Kingdoms and
(2) contained both saved and unsaved

The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" was not temporal
and contained ONLY the saints from each of the previous
"Kingdoms of Heaven"... so that we see [Mat 8:11] that
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are part of the Eternal Kingdom
but (obviously) they were NOT part of the Christian Kingdom
or the Great Tribulation Kingdom.

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While I know this is NEW information to you...
when you look at the CONTEXT of the passages I cited
you will find the people who are the SUBJECT of those verses
are the people living during the Jewish Kingdom or during the
Christian Kingdom or during the Great Tribulation Kingdom...
of course the Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven" is another matter.

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So my question is:
Are you willing to preach the "Kingdoms of Heaven"
which Jesus specifically NAMED in the verses cited above?

Or do you reject what Jesus specifically NAMED?

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The devil sustained a significant spiritual
head-blow at Calvary (as predicted in Genesis 3)

Christ over came the devil in the temptation
in the dessert. Death will later be thrown in
the lake of fire. The bible says the devil is
current god of this evil world and deceives.
Soon Christ will replace him.

The blow to the head[government] is when Jesus has satan locked-up for 10000 years.We are told to put on the armor of God to defeat the devil in our life and to overcome.
 
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Really! If you are so adamant in interpreting 1,000 years hyper-literally, how long is the “one hour” that the beast reigns with the “ten kings” in Revelation 17:12 is? i.e. is it sixty minutes?


Sometimes plain ole common sense helps us out in situations like this. No one in their right mind would be taking that one hour to be meaning literally 60 minutes, any more than anyone would be taking the hour mentioned in John 5:25 to literally be meaning 60 minutes. But to take the thousand years as a literal thousand years, what exactly is it about that that makes that nonsensical, the same way it makes the hour in question nonsensical if one were to take that to literally mean 60 minutes?
 
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I did respond to your post.
There is a big difference between being begotten
now, and being born a spirit being at Christs return.

We are spiritual beings now. We are born from above. Why? Christ was a heavenly man. He was from above. We see this in John the Baptist’s words in John 3:31, "He that cometh from above (the Greek word is anothen) is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all."

When Christ came to this earth mankind encountered heaven face-to-face. God had stepped out of eternity into time. But it is not just that He was a heavenly man that came from eternity. Jesus said in the exact same chapter in John 3:3: “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again (or anothen or born from above), he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

He was a heavenly man who became an earthly man so that we earthly men could become heavenly men. A Christian is no longer worldly, they are heavenly! If your heart is out there in this world this morning, then that is who you are. That is your identity. That’s what lights your fire! That is where you belong.

Ephesians 2:4-6 says, “God … hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus.”

Ephesians 1:3 also corroborates, saying, Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ.”

How are we seated in heavenly places?

Because He is! Remember, we are in Him! We are one with Him! His life is our life. We are hidden in Him. He is our legal head!

· He lived on our behalf.
· He died on our behalf.
· He rose from the dead on our behalf.
· He reigns in heaven tonight on our behalf.

We are spiritually united to Him!

Jesus is described as “the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die” (John 6:50). When we partake of Him we partake of the heavenly realm. It is this that gives us our citizenship is in heaven. It is this the causes us to lay up our treasure in heaven. We are no longer earthlings, but heavenly creatures.

Philippians 3:20 tells us that “our citizenship is [now] in heaven.”

This proves: “we are not earthly beings having a heavenly experience, we are heavenly beings having an earthly experience.”

Hebrews 12:22 says (in the present tense), ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem.”

Heaven is a different world. It is governed by different rules. It is different priorities. Its focus is the glory of God. Righteousness is preeminent. Justice prevails. Order is its environment. Peace, joy and rest or what results.
 
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Sometimes plain ole common sense helps us out in situations like this. No one in their right mind would be taking that one hour to be meaning literally 60 minutes, any more than anyone would be taking the hour mentioned in John 5:25 to literally be meaning 60 minutes. But to take the thousand years as a literal thousand years, what exactly is it about that that makes that nonsensical, the same way it makes the hour in question nonsensical if one were to take that to literally mean 60 minutes?

If that is the case, then no one in their right mind would be taking that "a thousand" to be meaning literally 1000 years. Only a prejudiced theology would force a literal meaning on a highly figurative passage in the most symbolic book in the Bible, especially when it is used continuously throughout the Word of God to represent a large amount or a long indefinite period of time.
 
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Christ came to introduce a spiritual kingdom that was entered not by sight but only by faith. Jesus declared in John 3:3, “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

This is expressly a spiritual kingdom as it relates to the spiritual realm. The blessing and rewards of the kingdom are plainly spiritual in nature and pertain exclusively to the repentant sinner. It relates to the unseen realm where the people are governed by their mediator King. A kingdom must have a king to be considered a kingdom. Christ rules this kingdom, not by force, but love. Those that subject to His authority are administered by the Word of God and the Spirit of God. Premil denies Christ His current kingship over His spiritual domain with its constant future focus upon the kinship of Christ. Whilst there is a future aspect to Christ’s kingship, there is also the current reality.

Romans 14:17-18 says, For the kingdom of God is … righteousness and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. For he that in these things (1) serveth Christ (2) is acceptable to God, and (3) approved of men.”

1 Corinthians 4:20 says, the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power (or) dunámei.”

Q. Is the redeemed Church synonymous with the kingdom of God?

A. The redeemed Church is not strictly the kingdom of God per se; it is part of the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is a lot broader and includes the heavenly realm or territory, which evidently does not come under the more limited definition of the Church. It also includes the Godhead, which does not come under the more limited definition of the Church. It includes the righteous angelic world, which again, is clearly not the Church. The term the kingdom of God is therefore much wider than redeemed sinners – Old and New Testament, it includes the heavenly domain, it's laws, and the unseen world. The Church is restricted to redeemed human beings. Angels cannot be part of the Church, yet they are part of the kingdom.


You said:
The second coming brings a close to the day of salvation
.


While that is a common doctrine in the churches, the fact is,
there are MANY passages that talk about the time AFTER the
end of the Great Commission and even passages that talk
about the time AFTER the Great Tribulation/Revelation Beasts.

Also...

There is the issue of the "Kingdoms of heaven" and the
"Kingdom of God". These are NOT the same, although
they can be used interchangeably in certain instances.

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The phrase "Kingdom of Heaven" is used thirty-three (33) times
in the Bible and every time the phrase represents the many unsaved "tares" and/or the few saved "wheat", associated with preaching the "Word of the Kingdom" (the Gospel) during one of the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth...
or it represents ONLY the saved "wheat" harvested into the
(5th) Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".

The four "Kingdoms of Heaven" are physical and temporal Kingdoms...
and there's a "harvest" of Saints at the end of each, with the
"Final Harvest" including only the "Wise Virgins" living during the
(4th) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]

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The phrase "Kingdom of God" is used seventy (70) times in the
Bible and every time it represents the Holy Spirit of God and/or
the souls (but not the bodies) of the saved "wheat" who have been
regenerated by His "indwelling" Holy Spirit. To be clear, the
"Kingdom of God" is a SUBSET of the "Kingdom of Heaven" since
it only includes the saved "wheat", not the unsaved "tares".

Therefore, the Bible can use the phrases interchangeably when it focuses
only on the "wheat" within the Kingdom. When focused
only on the "wheat", the Bible can use "Kingdom of Heaven"
OR "Kingdom of God". And that is why we have several parallel passages
in the Bible that can (and do) interchange these two phrases.

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All of this is BASED on the Biblical reality that JESUS specifically
NAMED separate-and-distinct "Kingdoms of Heaven" on earth.

In Matthew 22:2 Jesus specifically NAMED the Jewish
"Kingdom of Heaven" and in Matthew 21:43 Jesus specifically
NAMED the Jewish "Kingdom of God"... as it was transfered
from the Jews to the Christians.

In Matthew 13 (in 8 verses) Jesus specifically NAMED the
Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"

In Matthew 25:1 Jesus specifically NAMED the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven"... which the church has always considered
to be PART of the Christian Kingdom but really only contained
the Last Saints who live during the Great Tribulation or the
REIGN of the Anti-Christ.

And in Matthew chapters 5 and 7 and 8 and 19 Jesus specifcally
NAMED the Eternal "Kingdom of Heaven".

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While the (1st) Pre-Flood "Kingdom of Heaven", which contained
all the saints from Adam to Noah, and the (2nd) Jewish Kingdom
and the (3rd) Christian Kingdom and the (4th) Great Tribulation
Kingdom all:
(1) were temporal Kingdoms and
(2) contained both saved and unsaved people

The (5th) Eternal "Kingdom of heaven" was not temporal and
contained ONLY the saved from EACH of the previous Kingdoms,
which is why we see [Mat 8:11] that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
are part of the Eternal Kingdom when they (obviously) were not
part of the Christian Kingdom or Great Tribulation Kingdom.

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Just some "food for thought"...
BASED on what Jesus specifically NAMED in Scripture,
with the related verses cited above.

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