JESUS is not the archangel Michael !
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I believe some confusion comes from when people happen across the Hebrew word "malak" or the Greek word "angelos", each meaning "messenger or ambassador". God sometimes came to deliver His message in person, which made HIM a messenger at the time. One example would be His appearance to Moses in the burning bush While that sight was first described as the ANGEL of the Lord, it becomes obvious it was God Himself, as He told Moses to remove his shoes, as he was standing upon holy ground. No angel would claim to have hallowed the ground. And God went on to say, " I AM the God..." No angel would dare say he is God !
Yes, here, God acted as His own messenger, most likely to make sure Moses knew His will & His commands, & that no one was deceiving him. God was His own "malak" here. BUT HE WAS STILL GOD ! He did not become an angel being, nor did He make an angelic being into God. He simply gave His message in person.
Yes, here, God acted as His own messenger, most likely to make sure Moses knew His will & His commands, & that no one was deceiving him. God was His own "malak" here. BUT HE WAS STILL GOD ! He did not become an angel being, nor did He make an angelic being into God. He simply gave His message in person.
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And most only know what others say about the bible because they've never actually read it for themselves. Orthodox respect theologians like Henry because he actually took the time and effort to study the bible from cover to cover. Even though he was a Protestant he had a good work ethic like the Orthodox.
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The Angel of Yahweh is not a created being, but he is still an angel.
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The Angel of Yahweh’s name is Yahweh - you even said yourself that the angel who spoke to Moses was named Yahweh. That’s what he told Moses from the bush - Exodus 3:6
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Acts 7:37-38...”This is the Moses who told the Israelites ‘God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your own people’. He (The prophet God will raise up in reference to Christ) was in the wilderness WITH the angel who spoke to him (Moses) on mount Sinai and with our ancestors, and he (Moses) received living words to pass on to us....
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Yes. But there is distinction between the Word & Yahweh at times, such as Genesis 18, where we see 2 Yahweh’s
Genesis 18:17-19
Yahweh speaks and refers to another Yahweh
sometimes when the Word appears or speaks, it just says Yahweh, but you can piece together the clues sometimes to
See that it’s the Word.
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Yes, and Jesus is God the Son, the 2nd person of the Trinity; God himself.
Again, Hebrews 1 says that the Son is greater than the angels - and he created them.
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That was no messenger that was talking to Moses from the burning bush and Moses knew it.
Exodus 3:6
He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.
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Angel means messenger in the Hebrew. The exact identity of a divine messenger can alter according to the event. Obviously in Exodus 3:6, we have YHWH as the messenger because the messenger is speaking in the first person.
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The name in the Hebrew is YHWH not Yahweh or Jehovah, or any other translation. There is no direct English translation of the name YHWH. Avoid putting vowels into the Hebrew name to make it sound better in English.
Even in archaeology the name YHWH is recorded in ancient Israel.
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Messenger and not angel. Jesus was sent to us. Jesus was a messenger in the true sense of the word.
The Hebrew word means messenger.
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Jewish Encyclopedia-Names of God
In appearance, Yhwh (יהוה) is the third person singular imperfect "kal" of the verb ( הוה ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being, probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am" (אהיה, from
( היה, the later equivalent of the archaic stem ( הוה). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "hai Yhwh" ( חי־יהוה = "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).
If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh ((יהוה) or Yahaweh (יהוה). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (יה ) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (יהו ), and Jo or Yo (יו contracted from יהו , which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (יהו ) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry יהוה rimes with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί, and Origen, 'Iα. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε. At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render κύριος ("the Lord").
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In appearance, Yhwh (יהוה) is the third person singular imperfect "kal" of the verb ( הוה ("to be"), meaning, therefore, "He is," or "He will be," or, perhaps, "He lives," the root idea of the word being, probably, "to blow," "to breathe," and hence, "to live." With this explanation agrees the meaning of the name given in Ex. iii. 14, where God is represented as speaking, and hence as using the first person—"I am" (אהיה, from
( היה, the later equivalent of the archaic stem ( הוה). The meaning would, therefore, be "He who is self-existing, self-sufficient," or, more concretely, "He who lives," the abstract conception of pure existence being foreign to Hebrew thought. There is no doubt that the idea of life was intimately connected with the name Yhwh from early times. He is the living God, as contrasted with the lifeless gods of the heathen, and He is the source and author of life (comp. I Kings xviii.; Isa. xli. 26-29, xliv. 6-20; Jer. x. 10, 14; Gen. ii. 7; etc.). So familiar is this conception of God to the Hebrew mind that it appears in the common formula of an oath, "hai Yhwh" ( חי־יהוה = "as Yhwh lives"; Ruth iii. 13; I Sam. xiv. 45; etc.).
If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh ((יהוה) or Yahaweh (יהוה). From this the contracted form Jah or Yah (יה ) is most readily explained, and also the forms Jeho or Yeho (יהו ), and Jo or Yo (יו contracted from יהו , which the word assumes in combination in the first part of compound proper names, and Yahu or Yah (יהו ) in the second part of such names. The fact may also be mentioned that in Samaritan poetry יהוה rimes with words similar in ending to Yahweh, and Theodoret ("Quæst. 15 in Exodum") states that the Samaritans pronounced the name Iαβέ. Epiphanius ascribes the same pronunciation to an early Christian sect. Clement of Alexandria, still more exactly, pronounces 'Iαουέ or 'Iαουαί, and Origen, 'Iα. Aquila wrote the name in archaic Hebrew letters. In the Jewish-Egyptian magic-papyri it appears as Ιαωουηε. At least as early as the third century B.C. the name seems to have been regarded by the Jews as a "nomen ineffabile," on the basis of a somewhat extreme interpretation of Ex. xx. 7 and Lev. xxiv. 11 (see Philo, "De Vita Mosis," iii. 519, 529). Written only in consonants, the true pronunciation was forgotten by them. The Septuagint, and after it the New Testament, invariably render κύριος ("the Lord").
Jewish Encyclopedia online
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When Jesus was with us He was human; before He was not human and since He is not human. The apostle John did not know what form He took; the evidence is in favour of Him being Michael but what difference does it make?
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The teaching that Jesus is the archangel Michael is JW doctrine, not Christian doctrine.
Scripture says that Jesus is the eternal Word, the Son of God who was with God in the beginning; through whom ALL things were created, even the angels.
Jesus is, was and always will be God; the Alpha and the Omega, the author and perfecter of our faith, and the One whom before, one day, every knee will bow in heaven and on earth. He is superior to the angels; Hebrews 1.
The archangel Michael is the archangel Michael. Angels are created beings; created to serve God.
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Acts 7:30, it was an angel who appeared to Moses in the burning bush, But the one who spoke is the Lord...so there was the Lord and the Angel in the burning bush
In verse 38 we can see the Lord and the Angel with Moses in Sinai..
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