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So you are admitting that you are not Israel, not a Jew, and that there are two peoples of God, one group saved, the other group not yet saved?

No. I am saying there is no such thing as a "New Covenant Faith Group", outside of normal Church doctrine.

My master is the King of the Jews.

Based on Galatians 3:16-29, I am the seed of Abraham, and inherit the promise through Christ.



Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


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No. I am saying there is no such thing as a "New Covenant Faith Group", outside of normal Church doctrine.
The notion that you have - that you are Israel and a Jew is outside of normal church doctrine. The doctrine you hold is just a rebranding of replacement theology. Evident by all the posts you make on who is a Jew.

You can't even admit "my people" in Ezekiel 38-39 is talking about Israel and the Jews over there in the middle east, who are not believers in Jesus. Because that would negate your not two peoples of God, promo.
 
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You can't even admit "my people" in Ezekiel 38-39 is talking about Israel and the Jews over there in the middle east, who are not believers in Jesus. Because that would negate your not two peoples of God, promo.
But Douggg, My Chosen people; are no longer Jewish Israel. Read the parable of the landowner. Matthew 21:33-46
WE Christians are His people, 1 Peter 2:9-10, Colossians 3:11-12, Hebrews 3:6

Admit that you must have the Jews on earth in order for the 'rapture' theory to work.
 
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But Douggg, My Chosen people; are no longer Jewish Israel. Read the parable of the landowner. Matthew 21:33-46
WE Christians are His people, 1 Peter 2:9-10, Colossians 3:11-12, Hebrews 3:6

Admit that you must have the Jews on earth in order for the 'rapture' theory to work.
What does that have to do with them in Ezekiel 38-39, of God calling Israel and the Jews "my people" ?

Are you going off to another topic - the rapture? The parable of the fig tree is based upon the Jews having possession of Jerusalem.

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What does that have to do with them in Ezekiel 38-39, of God calling Israel and the Jews "my people" ?

Are you going off to another topic - the rapture? The parable of the fig tree is based upon the Jews having possession of Jerusalem.
The Jews are not mentioned in Ezekiel 38 or anywhere else in Ezekiel.
They are not Israelites, they are Judahites.

They did have possession of Jerusalem up to 135 AD and again after 1948. But not then or now as; My people, Israel.
Jesus cursed them as the fig tree and they have never bourn the 'fruit of the Spirit'.
They will be removed in the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal, as Jeremiah 12:14 and many other prophesies tell us.
This truth blows any ideas of a 'rapture to heaven' of the Church; out of the water.
 
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The Jews are not mentioned in Ezekiel 38 or anywhere else in Ezekiel.
They are not Israelites, they are Judahites.

They did have possession of Jerusalem up to 135 AD and again after 1948. But not then or now as; My people, Israel.
Jesus cursed them as the fig tree and they have never bourn the 'fruit of the Spirit'.
They will be removed in the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal, as Jeremiah 12:14 and many other prophesies tell us.
This truth blows any ideas of a 'rapture to heaven' of the Church; out of the water.
There is no cataclysmic event in Ezekiel 38-39, preceding them returning to the land of Israel in the latter days, latter years. You are in denial of reality, Keras.

Israel and the Jews, God in Ezekiel 38-39 called "my people". But they have not yet embraced the gospel of salvation, nor Jesus as their King of Israel.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Before being rejected as the King of Israel messiah by the religious establishment, put to death on the cross, Jesus rode into Jerusalem riding the donkey, as people welcomed him.

13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

The Antichrist will be embraced by the Jews, thinking he is the messiah and anointed the King of Israel, coming in his own name.

....but you don't get it.
 
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The notion that you have - that you are Israel and a Jew is outside of normal church doctrine. The doctrine you hold is just a rebranding of replacement theology. Evident by all the posts you make on who is a Jew.

Do you think the Apostle Paul's words below are outside of normal church doctrine?


Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Who has replaced the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16?

Who has replaced the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8?

Who has replaced the one people of God, with two peoples of God in John 10:16?

Who claims God did not fulfill his promises to the Jewish people through the sacrifice of His Son at Calvary? That claim is found in the document below.

(The origin of the Two Peoples of God doctrine is found below in the book "Coming of Messiah in Power and Glory" by Manual Lacunza, and Edward Irving's English translation of the book. Doctrine from Irving's work was presented at the Albury Prophetic Conference in the UK, during 1826.)

Genesis of Dispensational Theology

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(The origin of the Two Peoples of God doctrine is found below in the book "Coming of Messiah in Power and Glory" by Manual Lacunza, and Edward Irving's English translation of the book. Doctrine from Irving's work was presented at the Albury Prophetic Conference in the UK, during 1826.)
Answer the question. Who are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people" ?
 
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Answer the question. Who are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people" ?


The Apostle John answers your question below on who it cannot be.
John would know the truth.


1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


Do you believe the passage from Ezekiel is referring to those who deny the Son?

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Do you believe the passage from Ezekiel is referring to those who deny the Son?

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It doesn't say in the text of Ezekiel 38-39.

Answer the question. Who are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people" ?
 
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It doesn't say in the text of Ezekiel 38-39.

However, the text of 1 John 2:22-23 does say.

The Apostle John knew the Old Testament better than we do.

He said nobody has a relationship with God, without also having a relationship with God's Son.

Therefore, John answered the question for us.

There are two groups of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5. One group was a "remnant" which remained faithful to God, but the majority of the Israelites worshiped Baal.
Some people today cannot see the difference between the two groups.

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However, the text of 1 John 2:22-23 does say.

The Apostle John knew the Old Testament better than we do.

He said nobody has a relationship with God, without also having a relationship with God's Son.

Therefore, John answered the question for us.

There are two groups of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5. One group was a "remnant" which remained faithful to God, but the majority of the Israelites worshiped Baal.
Some people today cannot see the difference between the two groups.

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John did not address Ezekiel 38-39.

I am asking you.

Answer the question. Who are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people" ?
 
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John did not address Ezekiel 38-39.

I am asking you.

Answer the question. Who are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people" ?


John addressed the whole Bible in 1 John 2:22-23. The same message is found in 2 John 1:7-11.

Why would you think God is going to call any group of people during a future time "my people", if they reject God's Son? It would mean the Apostle John was wrong when he wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It can not happen.

Why would you think I am going to disagree with the Apostle John?

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John addressed the whole Bible in 1 John 2:22-23. The same message is found in 2 John 1:7-11.

Why would you think God is going to call any group of people during a future time "my people", if they reject God's Son? It would mean the Apostle John was wrong when he wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It can not happen.

Why would you think I am going to disagree with the Apostle John?

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No, John was not citing Ezekiel 38-39.

You are evading. Perhaps we need Dr Phil in this discussion.

Answer the question. Who are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people" ?
 
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No, John was not citing Ezekiel 38-39.

You are evading.

Answer the question. Who are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people" ?

They are found below in the words of the half-brother of Jesus Christ.


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.


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They are found below in the words of the half-brother of Jesus Christ.


Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
Jas 1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.


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More specific, on the map, what country and what people are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people" ?
 
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More specific, on the map, what country and what people are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people" ?

If you disagree with John's answer, and you disagree with the answer James gave, then it is obvious you are not correct in your assumption about Ezekiel 38-39.



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If you disagree with John's answer, and you disagree with the answer James gave, then it is obvious you are not correct in your assumption about Ezekiel 38-39.
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I am not asking me. And John and James did not address Ezekiel 38-39.

I am asking you. More specific, on the map, what country and what people are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people" ?

I am going to make a suggestion to you. Why don't you get a Kelly Varner sermon on who he says is what country and what people are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people". You may have to contact his ministry at their site. Home - Kelley Varner Ministries
Contact Us - Kelley Varner Ministries
 
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There is no cataclysmic event in Ezekiel 38-39, preceding them returning to the land of Israel in the latter days, latter years. You are in denial of reality, Keras.
Ezekiel 38:8 ....in the latter years you will come into the land brought back from the sword....KJV
Better translated as; ...the land restored from ruin....REB.
This must refer to the soon to happen attack on Israel by the Islamic peoples, as described in Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12, Revelation 6:12-17, + , which will completely clear and cleanse all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 21:1-7, Jeremiah 22:6-7, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Hosea 4:3, +
Then all of the faithful people of God will go to live there. Isaiah 35:1-10, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, +

The Antichrist will be embraced by the Jews, thinking he is the messiah and anointed the King of Israel, coming in his own name.
....but you don't get it.
Time to face reality, Douggg; your notions of a Jewish redemption are false and unbiblical.
The AC will be the leader of the OWG, but we Christians will elect our own leader. Hosea 1:11, Jeremiah 30:21
 
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I am not asking me. And John and James did not address Ezekiel 38-39.

I am asking you. More specific, on the map, what country and what people are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people" ?

I am going to make a suggestion to you. Why don't you get a Kelly Varner sermon on who he says is what country and what people are them in Ezekiel 38-39, who God defends, who God calls "my people". You may have to contact his ministry at their site. Home - Kelley Varner Ministries
Contact Us - Kelley Varner Ministries

Why don't you just tell me the answer you want to hear, if you do not like what John, and James said.


If you can interpret the Old Testament while ignoring the words of one of Jesus closest disciples, the one that was trusted to care for the Lord's mother, and by ignoring what the half brother of Jesus said, then we would like to hear your viewpoint.

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