The first resurection

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Why are you deliberately misrepresenting a Christian on this board?

Christ secured the complete dominion over Satan, death, hell, sin and every enemy at the cross. Revelation 1:17-18 records Christ’s well-known encounter with John on the Isle of Patmos, after the cross, where He significantly appears with the symbolic keys or authority of hell and of death, saying, “I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell (hades) and of death.”

Death and Hades are now defeated. The grave has been conquered. God's people are now with Jesus.

2 Timothy 1:9-10 says, “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”

Since the Lord’s ascension to the throne of God, the devil’s power is hampered. Christ now sits victorious in the glory as our Prophet, Priest and King. Satan, who once deceived “the whole world” has lost that immense global influence. The authority to do such being significantly curtailed by the work of Christ and the advance of the Church of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 2:14-15 says of Christ and His atoning death, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”

The Greek word katargeo used here to describe the fate that befell Satan. The word means to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative. It means to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency. It means to deprive of force, influence and power. It means to cause to cease, to put an end to, to do away with, to annul and to abolish.

It is interpreted in different ways in the New Testament such as ‘bring to nought’, ‘none effect’, and ‘abolish’. Satan certainly sustained a blow that impaired or restricted his movement. Undoubtedly, Satan's power to hold the nations in captivity was assaulted so that Christ could set the prisoner free throughout the nations. The Gentiles, who had been blinded for 4,000 years by the devil, would now see. The Gentiles that were nearly all pagan before the cross have been availed the wonderful opportunity to come to salvation through the victory of the cross and the consequential defeat of Satan. Whilst the majority are not saved, that doesn’t stop the nations been privileged with the truth.

The Gentiles can no longer claim ignorance. Notwithstanding, the presence of the Gospel and the acceptance of the Gospel are two completely different things. The presence of the Gospel never resulted in wholesale salvation to any nation, that is demonstrated even in the Old Testament where most Israelis rejected God’s offer of salvation. There was always only ever been a remnant amongst those who were privileged to hear the Gospel.
 
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Why are you deliberately misrepresenting a Christian on this board?

Christ secured the complete dominion over Satan, death, hell, sin and every enemy at the cross. Revelation 1:17-18 records Christ’s well-known encounter with John on the Isle of Patmos, after the cross, where He significantly appears with the symbolic keys or authority of hell and of death, saying, “I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell (hades) and of death.”

Death and Hades are now defeated. The grave has been conquered. God's people are now with Jesus.

2 Timothy 1:9-10 says, “Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.”

Since the Lord’s ascension to the throne of God, the devil’s power is hampered. Christ now sits victorious in the glory as our Prophet, Priest and King. Satan, who once deceived “the whole world” has lost that immense global influence. The authority to do such being significantly curtailed by the work of Christ and the advance of the Church of Jesus Christ.

Hebrews 2:14-15 says of Christ and His atoning death, that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”

The Greek word katargeo used here to describe the fate that befell Satan. The word means to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative. It means to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency. It means to deprive of force, influence and power. It means to cause to cease, to put an end to, to do away with, to annul and to abolish.

It is interpreted in different ways in the New Testament such as ‘bring to nought’, ‘none effect’, and ‘abolish’. Satan certainly sustained a blow that impaired or restricted his movement. Undoubtedly, Satan's power to hold the nations in captivity was assaulted so that Christ could set the prisoner free throughout the nations. The Gentiles, who had been blinded for 4,000 years by the devil, would now see. The Gentiles that were nearly all pagan before the cross have been availed the wonderful opportunity to come to salvation through the victory of the cross and the consequential defeat of Satan. Whilst the majority are not saved, that doesn’t stop the nations been privileged with the truth.

The Gentiles can no longer claim ignorance. Notwithstanding, the presence of the Gospel and the acceptance of the Gospel are two completely different things. The presence of the Gospel never resulted in wholesale salvation to any nation, that is demonstrated even in the Old Testament where most Israelis rejected God’s offer of salvation. There was always only ever been a remnant amongst those who were privileged to hear the Gospel.

2 Timothy 2:17 and the talk of such men will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus,

2 Timothy 2:18 who have deviated from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already occurred, and they undermine the faith of some.
 
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Always seek the wisdom of God by asking Him first, and in time He will answer and interpret His own Word so that one may understand. :yellowheart:

*Ahem* causing dissent is not the answer, in fact, God hates that. Put Him above one’s own intellect.
 
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This is why I prefer to keep it to myself. Arrogance and pride is what arrogance and pride says and does. Arrogance and pride prevent any believer from ever being corrected by the Holy Spirit where he is misinterpreting scripture.
 
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There nothing wrong with the text. It's perfect.
The once existed before John wrote revelation but it did not exist when he wrote it. But it does today.
It's simple if you know what the beast is. According to God the beast is a kingdom. I just happen to know what kingdom it is.
If you do, you'll be the first person I know of who does. I'm not saying you don't know what kingdom it is. I'm just very curious to know what kingdom you believe it is, and why you say so.
 
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Israel - but that kingdom did not rise from "the sea" (the nations). Or did it? They came out from among the nations, and the nations first promised them their own kingdom in Palestine (the Balfour Declaration), and the United Nations gave them their independence.

However, some say it's the old Roman Empire, now known as the E.U - but the E.U excludes the former Byzantine Empire. Some say it is coming, and will be a resurrected Ottoman-Turk Empire, and still others believe it will be a Eurasian E.U that will eventually incorporate all or most of the former Roman Empire (the mixing of the seed of men, but not cleaving to one another). Still others say that it's the USA (but I think it's only some Americans who say that because they can't handle the idea that the USA doesn't have a much greater part in the end times than a mere "And the cities of the nations fell", lol)

I'm very interested to know what you believe.
 
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Revelation 20 is speaking about "the souls" (plural) collectively reigning for the symbolic millennial period.

That's not what the text says though, is it? It's what you have read into the text using the eisegesis (as opposed to exegesis) produced by your misinterpretation of what the New Testament teaches regarding the subject.
 
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We are in Christ though. If Lazarus was in "Abraham's bosom" after he died, where do we go?

Philippians 1:23-24 For I am pressed together by the two: having a desire to depart and to be with Christ, which is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

"..in Christ". Where is Christ? He is not in the same place Abraham was when Abraham died or in the same place Lazarus was when Lazarus died.
 
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Why do you believe everyone can stand in the presence of God with the high priest?
Because we are in Him, clothed with His righteousness. He is the Son of Man and the last Adam. He represents us before God. Just as all who are born into the world are born into the first Adam and the first Adam is in them and they in the first Adam, so all who are born again by the Holy Spirit into Christ are in Christ and He in them. Where is Christ?
 
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Dead and buried. They don't rise from thier Graves till they are called.
That's the resurrection. The first resurrection is of those who have been killed for thier testimony of Jesus who also did not worship the beast or his image. These shall live and reign with Christ 1000 years. The rest of the dead remain in thier Graves till the 1000 years are fulfilled.

It's not that hard to understand.
Man is body, soul and spirit. Not just body (1 Thessalonians 5:23).

The spirit of man is dead until quickened by the Holy Spirit, but the body remains dead because of sin, until the resurrection of the body:

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of the One who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One who raised up Christ from the dead shall also make your mortal bodies alive by His Spirit who dwells in you.
 
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What translation are you quoting that states " the beast that was, and is not, (yet is). ??
The text says that about the beast when it ascends again from the bottomless pit.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to ascend out of the abyss and go into perdition. And those dwelling on the earth will marvel, those whose names were not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

But the plain and obvious meaning of the text is being adjusted by the poster you replied to in order to suit his misinterpretation of scripture (what's new?)
 
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I have the spirit which came to me from God. The holy spirit. When I die, I will give up the ghost.
You believe you came from God and you are the holy ghost or are you human?
This isn't true.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit has no need to sanctify the Holy Spirit and to preserve Himself blameless. It's the spirit in man which is being sanctified and kept blameless. And since the spirit of the believer in Jesus has been quickened by the Holy Spirit, it does not die again.

Those who die the second death are those who are resurrected with a bodily resurrection after the thousand years, at the time of the G.W.T, whose names are not found in the Lamb's book of Life.
 
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Not even Jesus did that. Jesus said he would be in the ground for three days. But you don't even have to go to the ground at all. You fly straight to God.
He did. The Spirit is everywhere

1 Peter 3:18-19 For Christ also once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, indeed being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit; in which also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,

You cannot be bodily raised from the dead by the Spirit of God if your spirit is not alive in Christ

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of the One who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One who raised up Christ from the dead shall also make your mortal bodies alive by His Spirit who dwells in you.

The Spirit of God is not dwelling in a dead body that is rotting in the grave.
 
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We are in Christ though. If Lazarus was in "Abraham's bosom" after he died, where do we go?

Philippians 1:23-24 For I am pressed together by the two: having a desire to depart and to be with Christ, which is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

"..in Christ". Where is Christ? He is not in the same place Abraham was when Abraham died or in the same place Lazarus was when Lazarus died.

Daniel 12:2 And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.

If you are awake with Christ in heaven then why does the word of God say they are asleep in the dust? Wouldn't that make God a lier if they are not asleep? Are you the spirit of God who will not die and will return to God or are you a human and subject to die?

Which are you?
The spirit of God?
Or are you man?
 
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We are in Christ though. If Lazarus was in "Abraham's bosom" after he died, where do we go?

Philippians 1:23-24 For I am pressed together by the two: having a desire to depart and to be with Christ, which is far better. But to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

"..in Christ". Where is Christ? He is not in the same place Abraham was when Abraham died or in the same place Lazarus was when Lazarus died.

Where was Christ when he died.

John 20:17 "Do not cling to Me," Jesus said, "for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.'"

If when Jesus died he went up to heaven, why then after he raised from the dead he said he has not ascended up to God?
Where was Jesus all that time?
 
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He did. The Spirit is everywhere

1 Peter 3:18-19 For Christ also once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, indeed being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the Spirit; in which also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,

You cannot be bodily raised from the dead by the Spirit of God if your spirit is not alive in Christ

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of the One who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, the One who raised up Christ from the dead shall also make your mortal bodies alive by His Spirit who dwells in you.

The Spirit of God is not dwelling in a dead body that is rotting in the grave.

No the spirit of God does not stay in a dead body rotting in a grave.
It returns to God who gave it.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 before the dust returns to the ground from which it came and the spirit returns to God who gave it.

So which are you,
Are you the spirit of God who will return to God or are you man made from the dust of the earth?

Will you defy God or will you obey God?
Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread, until you return to the ground--because out of it were you taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall return."
 
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Daniel 12:2 And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.

If you are awake with Christ in heaven then why does the word of God say they are asleep in the dust? Wouldn't that make God a lier if they are not asleep? Are you the spirit of God who will not die and will return to God or are you a human and subject to die?

Which are you?
The spirit of God?
Or are you man?
Man has his own spirit. It's not the Spirit of God who returns to Him who gave it.
 
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