THE SABBATH TRUTH!

LoveGodsWord · Jun 10, 2020

Sorry @Malihah updated the previous post to answer your questions hoping you will start answering mine.

LoveGodsWord · Jun 10, 2020

silence is golden

Malihah · Jun 11, 2020

The conclusions of the Jerusalem council were reiterated by James:

And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs...As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. (Ac 21:20,21,25)

LoveGodsWord · Jun 11, 2020

Malihah said:
The conclusions of the Jerusalem council were reiterated by James:

And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs...As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. (Ac 21:20,21,25)

No it was that circumcision was not a requirement of salvation *ACTS 15:1-5 and that the gentile believers would continue learning God's Word every Sabbath *15:21. ACTS 15 is about is "CIRCUMCISION" a requirement for the salvation of Gentile believers. These scriptures show that "CIRCUMCISION" is not a requirement for salvation and is why Paul goes on to say latter..

1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

Your interpretation goes on to make Paul a hypocrite. There is no mention about God's 10 Commandments being abolished anywhere in ACTS 15 as shown below

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ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 15:1-21

[1], And certain men who came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, EXCEPT YOU BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES YOU CANNOT BE SAVED.

NOTE: ACTS 15:1 is the question that needs to be answered and the topic of conversation and CONTEXT of the chapter of ACTS 15. Here we have Jewish believers coming to Paul and Barnabas saying if the new GENTILES believers are not circumcised and made proselytes then they cannot be saved. This is the chapter context and issue of contention.

[2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, THEY DETERMINED THAT PAUL AND BARNABAS AND CERTAIN OF THEM SHOULD GO UP TO JERUSALEM UNTO THE APOSLTLES AND ELDERS ABOUT THIS QUESTION.

NOTE: ACTS 15:2 Which question? Weather your salvation depends on being CIRCUMCISED. They then travelled to Jerusalem about this question to determine if new gentile believers needed to be CIRCUMCISED in order to be saved. Once they got to Jerusalem, the question was then asked and the discussion continued with the Pharasees stating their case first..

[5], But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees who believed, saying, It is needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

NOTE: KEEP in mind here the question was never over if gentile believers should obey God's 10 Commandments but to keep the Shadow laws of Moses, in this case CIRCUMCISION as a means of salvation. CIRCUMCIONS is from the law of MOSES not God’s 10 Commandments written by God on two tables of stone.

[6], And the apostles and elders came together TO CONSIDER THIS MATTER.

NOTE: Again the topic of discussion and chapter CONTEXT that is being considered is the question stated in ACTS 15:1 which was IS CIRCUMCISION A REQUIREMENT OF SALVATION?

[7], And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, you know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
[8], And God, who knows the hearts, bore them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us;

NOTE: After much discussion between the Apostles, Peter then rose up showing that God gave the gentile believers the Holy Spirit being UNCIRCUMCISED.

[9], And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
[10], Now therefore why test God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
[11], But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

NOTE: They came to the conclusion then that salvation is not by being circumcised but be what circumcision pointed to. A new heart by faith. This is made plain latter in other scripture written by PAUL here...

ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.

If ACTS 15 was talking about the 10 Commandments then Pauls writings in to the CORITHIANS do not make any sense.

1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

The scripture above is a contradiction of how some interpret the outcome of ACTS 15. You do not believe Mal, that we are now free to break any of God's 10 Commandments now do you?

[12], Then all the multitude kept silence, and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring what miracles and wonders God had done among the Gentiles by them.
[13], And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
[14], Simeon has declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
[15], And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
[16], After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
[17], That the rest of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, says the Lord, who does all these things.
[18], Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
[19], THEREFORE MY JUDGMENT IS THAT WE TROUBLE NOT THEM WHO FROM THE GENTILES ARE TURNED TO GOD:
[20], BUT WRITE UNTO THEM THAT THEY ABSTAIN FROM THE DEFILEMENT OF IDOLS, FORNICATION AND THINGS STRANGLED AND FROM BLOOD.

NOTE: JAMES conclusion is that new Gentile believers should not be troubled with CIRCUMCISION as a requirement of salvation which was the matter being considered and the question being discussion as shown in *ACTS 15:1-2; ACTS 15:6 but asks them to abstain from idols, fornication and from things strangled and from blood.

[21], FOR MOSES OF OLD TIME HAS IN EVERY CITY THEM THAT PREACH HIM, BEING READ IN THE SYNAGOGUES EVERY SABBATH.

NOTE: The reason why JAMES sends this letter to the new Gentile believers is that they would continue learning God's WORD EVERY SABBATH.

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CONCLUSION So the conclusion of the matter with CONTEXT added back in is fould in v19-20 We are not to trouble the new gentile believers with CIRCUMCISION as a means of salvation. They are new converts that will learn more about GOD'S WORD when? EVERY SABBATH. In the meantime you should abstain from anything offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication. NOPE nothing written about the 10 Commandments being abolished in this chapter. Here is what PAUL says of the matter here...

1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

Yep you may need to revisit your thinking of ACTS 15. CIRCUMCISION is not the 10 Commandments. It is from the Shadow laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

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Now did you wish to answer the questions I asked you earlier first before trying to move on to ACTS which is another topic?

As posted earlier Rahab was a Caananite prostitute with no knowledge of God, His LAW or SIN. What do you think ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:30-31 and JAMES 4:17 mean? If you do not wish to answer these questions or you do not know, just say so. You do not have to answer them if you do not wish to. I am sure we both have better things to do.

Look forward to your reply

Malihah · Jun 11, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
[5], But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees who believed, saying, It is needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

NOTE: KEEP in mind here the question was never over if gentile believers should obey God's 10 Commandments but to keep the Shadow laws of Moses, in this case CIRCUMCISION as a means of salvation. CIRCUMCIONS is from the law of MOSES not God’s 10 Commandments written by God on two tables of stone.

Incorrect. The Law of Moses was the first 5 books of Moses or the Torah that included the 10 commandments. The phrase law and the prophets includes all the writings of Moses and all the writings of the prophets.

LoveGodsWord · Jun 11, 2020

Malihah said:
Incorrect. The Law of Moses was the first 5 books of Moses or the Torah that included the 10 commandments. The phrase law and the prophets includes all the writings of Moses and all the writings of the prophets.

ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 15:1-21
[1], And certain men who came down from Judea taught the brethren, and said, EXCEPT YOU BE CIRCUMCISED AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES YOU CANNOT BE SAVED.

NOTE: ACTS 15:1 is the question that needs to be answered and the topic of conversation and CONTEXT of the chapter of ACTS 15. Here we have Jewish believers coming to Paul and Barnabas saying if the new GENTILES believers are not circumcised and made proselytes then they cannot be saved. This is the chapter context and issue of contention.

[2], When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, THEY DETERMINED THAT PAUL AND BARNABAS AND CERTAIN OF THEM SHOULD GO UP TO JERUSALEM UNTO THE APOSLTLES AND ELDERS ABOUT THIS QUESTION.

NOTE: ACTS 15:2 Which question? Weather your salvation depends on being CIRCUMCISED. They then travelled to Jerusalem about this question to determine if new gentile believers needed to be CIRCUMCISED in order to be saved. Once they got to Jerusalem, the question was then asked and the discussion continued with the Pharasees stating their case first..

That is why Paul says elsewhere..

1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

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JESUS did not come to destroy the law or the prophets he came to fulfill them. He is our example *MATTHEW 5:17-19; 1 PETER 2:22

Sorry dear friend it seems God's Word disagrees with you.

Hope this helps

Andre_b · Jun 11, 2020

Malihah said:
Incorrect. The Law of Moses was the first 5 books of Moses or the Torah that included the 10 commandments. The phrase law and the prophets includes all the writings of Moses and all the writings of the prophets.

Let's change gears a little. And try to make it simple for a sec. Because many people don't understand that at the exodus and even after are multiple covenants that were established, just like there were many other ones with many others prior to Moses.

Do you agree that the new covenant was confirmed at the last supper or at the latest the actual shedding of Jesus' blood on the cross?

Luke 22:20 "Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you."

Bob S · Jun 11, 2020

Malihah said:
Incorrect. The Law of Moses was the first 5 books of Moses or the Torah that included the 10 commandments. The phrase law and the prophets includes all the writings of Moses and all the writings of the prophets.

Most all theologians agree that the Mosaic law was the 613 laws of the Sinai covenant. Only a few think the ten are separate. The preconceived beliefs of the few require them to believe the ten are separate. They also try to add a ten everyplace commandments are mentioned in the New Testament. If the authors wanted us to to believe they were referring to the ten I am sure they would have slipped the word in there. Paul wrote in 2Cor 3:6-11 specifically about the ten commandments, he wrote that they were transitory. Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and that coincides with 2Cor 3. He brought it to an end. Fulfill means bring to an end. The ten commandments were done away at Calvary along with all of the covenant laws. New covenant, new laws.

Andre_b · Jun 11, 2020

Bob S said:
Most all theologians agree that the Mosaic law was the 613 laws of the Sinai covenant. Only a few think the ten are separate. The preconceived beliefs of the few require them to believe the ten are separate. They also try to add a ten everyplace commandments are mentioned in the New Testament. If the authors wanted us to to believe they were referring to the ten I am sure they would have slipped the word in there. Paul wrote in 2Cor 3:6-11 specifically about the ten commandments, he wrote that they were transitory. Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and that coincides with 2Cor 3. He brought it to an end. Fulfill means bring to an end. The ten commandments were done away at Calvary along with all of the covenant laws. New covenant, new laws.

The ministration of the Ten Commandments were transitory, that's why Moses had the glory of God shining in him but that faded, just like his ministry would fade, but not Christ's ministry. The Ten were also written on the heart, just a few verse prior 2 Corinthians 3:3

Even these theologians titled the entire chapter as the New Covenant MINISTRY:
2 Corinthians 3 Lexham English Bible (LEB)
New Covenant Ministry

Nice try though.

Malihah · Jun 11, 2020

Bob S said:
Most all theologians agree that the Mosaic law was the 613 laws of the Sinai covenant. Only a few think the ten are separate. The preconceived beliefs of the few require them to believe the ten are separate. They also try to add a ten everyplace commandments are mentioned in the New Testament. If the authors wanted us to to believe they were referring to the ten I am sure they would have slipped the word in there. Paul wrote in 2Cor 3:6-11 specifically about the ten commandments, he wrote that they were transitory. Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and that coincides with 2Cor 3. He brought it to an end. Fulfill means bring to an end. The ten commandments were done away at Calvary along with all of the covenant laws. New covenant, new laws.

Amen. Anyone who needs a law to know that murder is wrong is mentally defective.

Andre_b · Jun 11, 2020

Bob S said:
Most all theologians agree that the Mosaic law was the 613 laws of the Sinai covenant. Only a few think the ten are separate. The preconceived beliefs of the few require them to believe the ten are separate. They also try to add a ten everyplace commandments are mentioned in the New Testament. If the authors wanted us to to believe they were referring to the ten I am sure they would have slipped the word in there. Paul wrote in 2Cor 3:6-11 specifically about the ten commandments, he wrote that they were transitory. Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and that coincides with 2Cor 3. He brought it to an end. Fulfill means bring to an end. The ten commandments were done away at Calvary along with all of the covenant laws. New covenant, new laws.

New Covenant, new laws, some laws remain however. Just like when a new president comes in they change many laws but the constitution never changes. Just like God's constitution.

Bob S · Jun 12, 2020

Andre_b said:
The ministration of the Ten Commandments were transitory, that's why Moses had the glory of God shining in him but that faded, just like his ministry would fade, but not Christ's ministry. The Ten were also written on the heart, just a few verse prior 2 Corinthians 3:3

If you believe the ten commandments are what is written on our hearts then you have very shallow thinking. No where did Paul teach the ten. He did teach what the ministry of the Spirit is and you can read it right herein Galatians 5:

Life by the Spirit
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

The fruit of the Spirit within us as seen in verses 22 and 23 and it doesn't mention Sabbath? Do you know that the prophet of the SDAs wrote that you cannot be saved if you do not keep the Sabbath. Such a most important obligation and Paul doesn't mention it in all of his writings? The Holy Spirit doesn't prompt us of this fact? We have to read Ellen White's writings to find all this?

If it is, as you are trying to teach, the ten that is written on our hearts and that is the ministry of the Holy Spirit within us then please tell us why billions of people have never been convicted to keep a day that is absolutely like any other day? You cannot tell one day from the next. It storms on all days, it snows on all days, the sun shines on all days and it is bleak on all days. Only if someone who thinks he/she has discovered which day is special and convinces others are you able to guess they are right. The Holy Spirit has never inspired me to observe a day. Same for my family, friends, coworkers, the whole town I grew up in. Wouldn't you think that the Spirit working in me and them would be pricking our consciences to do ALL that is tight. Why haven't any of the people I have had contact ever tell me that the Holy Spirit is telling them that there is a special day to stop all that they are doing and do Holy things and point out that day? No person told me it was wrong to kill or steal. No one had to tell me to love my neighbor. Those things are written on my heart and to do or not do is a decision I have to make. Someone had to tell me that Saturday is the Sabbath and try to convict me of what they believe is the truth. SDAs, for an example, spend millions of peoples hard earned bucks putting on seminars in huge
auditoriums using their best evangelists to try to convince the spectators of the need to keep a day. Wouldn't you think that would be the time the Holy Spirit would be hammering those spectators to join the SDA church? The fact is only a dismal few accept the invitation to join. I know this to be a fact because I was part of several of them. Then after a short time many of those the evangelist convinced leave the church through the back door. So much for the ten commandments being written on our hearts as you are trying to convince us. So much for people banging the doors down to get in to all of the Sabbath keeping churches.

Think about it.

Bob S · Jun 12, 2020

What is so funny Andre?

Andre_b · Jun 12, 2020

Bob S said:
If you believe the ten commandments are what is written on our hearts then you have very shallow thinking. No where did Paul teach the ten. He did teach what the ministry of the Spirit is and you can read it right herein Galatians 5:

Life by the Spirit
13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

The fruit of the Spirit within us as seen in verses 22 and 23 and it doesn't mention Sabbath? Do you know that the prophet of the SDAs wrote that you cannot be saved if you do not keep the Sabbath. Such a most important obligation and Paul doesn't mention it in all of his writings? The Holy Spirit doesn't prompt us of this fact? We have to read Ellen White's writings to find all this?

If it is, as you are trying to teach, the ten that is written on our hearts and that is the ministry of the Holy Spirit within us then please tell us why billions of people have never been convicted to keep a day that is absolutely like any other day? You cannot tell one day from the next. It storms on all days, it snows on all days, the sun shines on all days and it is bleak on all days. Only if someone who thinks he/she has discovered which day is special and convinces others are you able to guess they are right. The Holy Spirit has never inspired me to observe a day. Same for my family, friends, coworkers, the whole town I grew up in. Wouldn't you think that the Spirit working in me and them would be pricking our consciences to do ALL that is tight. Why haven't any of the people I have had contact ever tell me that the Holy Spirit is telling them that there is a special day to stop all that they are doing and do Holy things and point out that day? No person told me it was wrong to kill or steal. No one had to tell me to love my neighbor. Those things are written on my heart and to do or not do is a decision I have to make. Someone had to tell me that Saturday is the Sabbath and try to convict me of what they believe is the truth. SDAs, for an example, spend millions of peoples hard earned bucks putting on seminars in huge
auditoriums using their best evangelists to try to convince the spectators of the need to keep a day. Wouldn't you think that would be the time the Holy Spirit would be hammering those spectators to join the SDA church? The fact is only a dismal few accept the invitation to join. I know this to be a fact because I was part of several of them. Then after a short time many of those the evangelist convinced leave the church through the back door. So much for the ten commandments being written on our hearts as you are trying to convince us. So much for people banging the doors down to get in to all of the Sabbath keeping churches.

Think about it.

Well since you know inheritly of the laws written on the heart why do you read the bible then? Why do we even need the word?

Yes we do have a built in conscience but that usually doesn't align with God/Holy Spirit. The list you gave in Galatians 5 is clearly part of the list, just like many others lists are given through the New Testament.

Working any job 7 days a week you automatically know you need a day off to refresh physically and spiritually. Everyone wants time off, maybe less so for those who are in love with money, however, they usually pay for it at some point in their lives for abusing their body, either by a breakdown or illnesses. God simply gives us a specific day to remember him, and his creation week, to really bind us to him only. He gave us a day off for physical rest as well, but people live in the flesh and still want to do more than they should even if it hurts them in the long run. Just like any other commandment he gave us. Everyone knows you need some time off on a fairly regulnar basis. That's why every 7th day is given by God, and kept it organized and regular for us, however, man simply want to disorganize and do things their own way as usual.

Most people I know are looking forward to Friday and the weekend.

Think about it.

Bob S · Jun 12, 2020

Andre_b said:
Well since you know inheritly of the laws written on the heart why do you read the bible then? Why do we even need the word?

The Bible is a relatively new help for God's people. Even in the early Christian church through the dark ages almost no one had a Bible to read.

Yes we do have a built in conscience but that usually doesn't align with God/Holy Spirit.

Do you have some statistics to prove your point or is it just another unjustified comment from the seat of your pants?

The list you gave in Galatians 5 is clearly part of the list, just like many others lists are given through the New Testament.

Yep, just like the the ten, a part of the list given to one nation in a covenant that that nation broke thus nullifying the complete covenant.

Working any job 7 days a week you automatically know you need a day off to refresh physically and spiritually. Everyone wants time off, maybe less so for those who are in love with money, however, they usually pay for it at some point in their lives for abusing their body, either by a breakdown or illnesses.

God demanded that for Israel probably because of their being slaves and worked to death. God never demanded or even asked any other nation to do what He actually demanded from the Israelites.

God simply gives us a specific day to remember him, and his creation week, to really bind us to him only.

That is simply a Misnomer. God gave Israel a day.

He gave us a day off for physical rest as well, but people live in the flesh and still want to do more than they should even if it hurts them in the long run. Just like any other commandment he gave us.

Where???? Show us where.

Everyone knows you need some time off on a fairly regulnar basis. That's why every 7th day is given by God, and kept it organized and regular for us, however, man simply want to disorganize and do things their own way as usual.

Where????

Most people I know are looking forward to Friday and the weekend.

Retired people like me could care less.

Cribstyl · Jun 13, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
So you follow the code of Hammurabi over the bible? As posted earlier Rahab was a Caananite prostitute with no knowledge of God, His LAW or SIN. What do you think ACTS OF THE APOSTLES 17:30-31 and JAMES 4:17 means?

LGW, It's not like you to reject what others present as facts. I'm sure he does not follow what you accuse him of. Have you considered that other civilizations had kings and laws?

Rahab was a Harlot who had faith and knowledge of God. She chose the outnumbered children of Israel over her own country with a large military. Here is what she knew and declared with her mouth.

Jos 2:9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.
Jos 2:10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed.
Jos 2:11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

Heb 11:31

By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

Her faith was in the God of Israel to conquer her own people.

LoveGodsWord · Jun 13, 2020

Cribstyl said:
LGW, It's not like you to reject what others present as facts. I'm sure he does not follow what you accuse him of. Have you considered that other civilizations had kings and laws?

Rahab was a Harlot who had faith and knowledge of God. She chose the outnumbered children of Israel over her own country with a large military. Here is what she knew and declared with her mouth.

Jos 2:9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.
Jos 2:10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed.
Jos 2:11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

Heb 11:31

By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

Her faith was in the God of Israel to conquer her own people.

Nonsense. Rahab was a Caananite prostitute (Gentile). Sure she heard about how God was with ISRAEL and conquering the nations around JERICHO as shown in the scriptures you provide above as did all the gentiles nations around her. No one said she did not hear about what God was doing for ISRAEL. That does not mean she knew God's laws and was following God now does it? None of the scriptures you provide here say that Rahab knew God's laws. So your argument is????

Cribstyl · Jun 13, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Nonsense. Rahab was a Caananite prostitute (Gentile). Sure she heard about how God was with ISRAEL and conquering the nations around JERICHO as shown in the scriptures you provide above as did all the gentiles nations around her. No one said she did not hear about what God was doing for ISRAEL. That does not mean she knew God's laws and was following God now does it? None of the scriptures you provide here say that Rahab knew God's laws. So your argument is????

Did I say she knew God's laws? NO!! What does the law have to do with Canaanite Gentiles anyway? Did you say she had NO knowledge of God, YES you did.
Did Rahab say that God, was the God of heaven and earth? Yes she did.

Because of her faith she is noted as a legend in the New Testament by Paul and James. What did she believe LGW?
Heb 11:31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
Jas 2:25¶Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

HARK! · Jun 13, 2020

Malihah said:
The conclusions of the Jerusalem council were reiterated by James:

And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the law: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs...As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication. (Ac 21:20,21,25)

Wow! Just wow!

In Acts 21 Paul Paul went through ritual cleansing and paid for the sacrifices of four other men, who had taken the Nazarite Vow, to prove to the Apostles that he was obedient to YHWH's perfect law; and that he would encourage others to that obedience.

(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

LoveGodsWord · Jun 13, 2020

Cribstyl said:
Did I say she knew God's laws? NO!! What does the law have to do with Canaanite Gentiles anyway? Did you say she had NO knowledge of God, YES you did.
Did Rahab say that God, was the God of heaven and earth? Yes she did.

Because of her faith she is noted as a legend in the New Testament by Paul and James. What did she believe LGW?
Heb 11:31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
Jas 2:25¶Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

Follow the conversation then dear friend. Your other friend was trying to justify lying. Your talking about things no one is talking about.

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