Did fallen angels break our code?

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Only none of those things listed were ever presented in a symbolic context but instead were presented as things that actually existed and still exist; angels being among that which still exist.

Only none?
 
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Only none of those things listed were ever presented in a symbolic context but instead were presented as things that actually existed and still exist; angels being among that which still exist.


Angels exist---half breeds never did and still don't.
 
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To me ministering spirits having sex with fleshly women is one of the most erroneous doctrines that the carnal or earthly mind (that is at enmity with God) has ever come up with.

People can believe whatever they want to be sure ... even if it defies common sense. To those who believe it's true ... it's true, unless someone can persuade them otherwise, like Jesus tried to do with those who were going to stone him for saying of himself what the scriptures already said about them, but in the end that's what got Jesus crucified. But I would assume that most people would not believe that God is a tree, no more than knowledge would grow on one; but you can never even be certain about that.

Patterns, symbolism, and analogies are built into the very creation itself let alone into just the Bible, and all of it relates to a mystery that is no longer hid ... but for those having eyes that see and ears that hear.

Jesus lived and died according to (among other things) the pattern of the feasts, yet these were things they actually did without the knowledge of what they actually in picture form meant in relationship to this mystery.
 
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Angels exist---half breeds never did and still don't.


You keep insisting that was never and is still not the case, but you have yet to prove that from the actual passage dealing with that subject itself.
 
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You keep insisting that was never and is still not the case, but you have yet to prove that from the actual passage dealing with that subject itself.


The scriptures themselves call them MEN!! MEN OF RENOWN-----which means, mean of high reputation and authority---not half breeds of any kind!! They are not at anytime ever called anything else!! So to believe otherwise is going against the written word!
 
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The scriptures themselves call them MEN!! MEN OF RENOWN-----which means, mean of high reputation and authority---not half breeds of any kind!! They are not at anytime ever called anything else!! So to believe otherwise is going against the written word!

So they were not called Nephilim?
 
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he scriptures themselves call them MEN!! MEN OF RENOWN


Numbers 13:33
We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

Should we change this to "MEN!! MEN OF RENOWN"?
 
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So they were not called Nephilim?


Nephilim means fallen---some took that to mean fallen angels---it is men of authority, men of God, who married women who did not follow God. Those sons went on to inherit their father's positions and became men of high reputation, men of renown. Never the less---MEN.
 
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Numbers 13:33
We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

Should we change this to "MEN!! MEN OF RENOWN"?

Where does it say that the children of Anak were half angel?? Yes, MEN OF RENOWN!! Yes, they were very well know for they were giants. Just as the Masai are all very well known in Africa and even throughout the world for their height---nothing to do with fallen angels any more than dwarfism is! It is genetics! The children of Anak lived in an area where genetics harbored a group of very tall people---and that also was in their land---a pocket of what was once---even their produce was huge, and the land certainly has nothing to do with human DNA. This area was somehow protected from some of the decay that occurred after the fall. Even today--huge produce is grown in areas---esp. Alaska---look it up.
 
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Sex is much more than just the sexual act. Sex and spirit are closely related descriptions of Truth just like Food, shelter, and clothing are related to Spirit.


Doesn't change the fact that human DNA is not compatible with non-human DNA---angels are not our kind and we can not reproduce with what is not our kind! There are no ape/human children running around---I do have a brother that I sometimes questioned though! Spiritual connections do not reproduce human children.
 
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The scriptures themselves call them MEN!! MEN OF RENOWN-----which means, mean of high reputation and authority---not half breeds of any kind!! They are not at anytime ever called anything else!! So to believe otherwise is going against the written word!


But these weren't just any men. These were men who possessed abilities and attributes that empowered them to earn renown and heroic status so-called and they inherited those abilities and attributes from that which was NOT human.
 
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But these weren't just any men. These were men who possessed abilities and attributes that empowered them to earn renown and heroic status so-called and they inherited those abilities and attributes from that which was NOT human.


Nothing states that. 'MEN OF RENOWN." No mention of non-human abilities or genetics. Just read it as it states. People keep putting in words never mentioned.
 
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Numbers 13:33
We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them."

Should we change this to "MEN!! MEN OF RENOWN"?

Weren't these all direct descendants of Noah ...
 
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You read it right. None of those things mentioned are presented as being figurative. Only literal.

Jesus used Noah and his ark as symbolism ... Do you believe Paul and his Hagar analogy? Because it does not say anywhere in the OT that this was the case ...
 
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Where does it say that the children of Anak were half angel?? Yes, MEN OF RENOWN!! Yes, they were very well know for they were giants. Just as the Masai are all very well known in Africa and even throughout the world for their height---nothing to do with fallen angels any more than dwarfism is! It is genetics! The children of Anak lived in an area where genetics harbored a group of very tall people---and that also was in their land---a pocket of what was once---even their produce was huge, and the land certainly has nothing to do with human DNA. This area was somehow protected from some of the decay that occurred after the fall. Even today--huge produce is grown in areas---esp. Alaska---look it up.


Did I say half angel? So why even use the term Nephilim? Why is the word Nephilim in the bible? So we call any giant or man of renown a Nephilim?
 
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Weren't these all direct descendants of Noah ...

Deaut 9:1 Hear, Israel: You are now about to cross the Jordan to go in and dispossess nations greater and stronger than you, with large cities that have walls up to the sky. 2 The people are strong and tall—Anakites! You know about them and have heard it said: “Who can stand up against the Anakites?” 3 But be assured today that the Lord your God is the one who goes across ahead of you like a devouring fire. He will destroy them; he will subdue them before you. And you will drive them out and annihilate them quickly, as the Lord has promised you.
 
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Deaut 9:1 Hear, Israel: You are now about to cross the Jordan to go in and dispossess nations greater and stronger than you, with large cities that have walls up to the sky. 2 The people are strong and tall—Anakites! You know about them and have heard it said: “Who can stand up against the Anakites?” 3 But be assured today that the Lord your God is the one who goes across ahead of you like a devouring fire. He will destroy them; he will subdue them before you. And you will drive them out and annihilate them quickly, as the Lord has promised you.

That still doesnt make them not a descendant of Noah or his sons, or his sons sons, unless you dont believe the account of the flood as it is written to be accurate.

The closest you will come to tracking Anak in the Bible would be that he lived in Hebron, which is where the children of Heth lived who Canaan begat, out of whom came the inhabitants that Israel was tasked for driving out of the promise land. Giants are symbolism that relate to our soul and the process found in it, and who Caleb also considered bread (symbolism) for them (not to mention john who came eating locusts, i.e. we were as grasshoppers in their sight, which is much different than Rahab’s testimony of what most thought about Israel; “I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.”
 
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Giants are symbolism

So whenever we don't understand something in the bible, or it doesn't make sense, just use the symbolism/metaphor card?

Goliath was symbolism too? David never killed a giant? Nephilim never existed?
 
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