Failed Prophecies

ZNP · Jun 12, 2020

Victor in Christ said:
Its not hard at all if you believe all 3 are part of the trinity and Christ wasn't present physically on earth in OT times

The triune God is eternal, yet you think that Christ wasn't there? God made man "after our image". Jesus is the image of the invisible God. How is Jesus the eternal God if he wasn't around then?

Jermayn · Jun 12, 2020

ZNP said:
I think you mean many interpretations of the prophecies have been wrong. We are told to stone those who are false prophets.

For example a few months ago people were saying that this pandemic was no worse than the flu and not a justification to shut down businesses and institute social distancing. Stone them.

The Bible gives many examples of false prophets and their prophecies that didn't take place, Jeremiah in particular gives the judgement on these.

Are you really advocating stoning people to death?

eleos1954 · Jun 12, 2020

Brian Mcnamee said:
I'd say your statement that they did stone them is also speculation and I was responding to your opinion noting that it is in the law but not recorded as having been practiced is more accurate then your statement that they did do these things. I can't be wrong as my statement was only they did not record them doing that. You might be wrong because you say they did stone them when no such incident is recorded.

Let us not forget the stoning of Stephen ... wasn't a false prophet ... but the higher clergy of the day believed he was ... and Saul (Paul before his conversion) was present at that event.

ZNP · Jun 12, 2020

Jermayn said:
Are you really advocating stoning people to death?

If we are talking about me now, and not the OT I am advocating holding people accountable for what they say. If someone gave a prophecy in January talking about how 2020 was going to be a year of great blessing, etc., etc., etc., then don't forget that, bring that back up and hold them accountable. If in March people said that this corona virus was no worse than the flu, hold them accountable. If they claimed that this is nothing compared to the Spanish flu, well in 3 years if 50 million are dead from it then hold those people accountable.

After hurricane Katrina George Bush said "no one could have predicted this". That demonstrated that either he was a very big fool or a very big liar. I went to Rice University and we were told that was exactly what would happen when a large hurricane hit New Orleans. The President of the US should not be allowed to say something like that and not be held accountable. They say these things so that those who lost everything feel like it wasn't their fault. In reality they knew, and the proof is how much the insurance companies charged for flood insurance. If you lived in the 9th ward they wanted 33% of the cost of your house each year for flood insurance. They knew.

The people who caused the mortgage crisis knew it would cause a mortgage crisis. They didn't care. They knew they would get rich in the process and then when the collapse came the US government would bail them out. Why? Because they had something over the federal government that was so bad they could not afford to prosecute one person who knew or even allow them to lose money.

ZNP · Jun 12, 2020

eleos1954 said:
Let us not forget the stoning of Stephen ... wasn't a false prophet ... but the higher clergy of the day believed he was ... and Saul (Paul before his conversion) was present at that event.

Paul also got stoned.

eleos1954 · Jun 12, 2020

ZNP said:
Paul also got stoned.

This is true -
Acts 14:19

Jermayn · Jun 12, 2020

ZNP said:
If we are talking about me now, and not the OT I am advocating holding people accountable for what they say. If someone gave a prophecy in January talking about how 2020 was going to be a year of great blessing, etc., etc., etc., then don't forget that, bring that back up and hold them accountable. If in March people said that this corona virus was no worse than the flu, hold them accountable. If they claimed that this is nothing compared to the Spanish flu, well in 3 years if 50 million are dead from it then hold those people accountable.

After hurricane Katrina George Bush said "no one could have predicted this". That demonstrated that either he was a very big fool or a very big liar. I went to Rice University and we were told that was exactly what would happen when a large hurricane hit New Orleans. The President of the US should not be allowed to say something like that and not be held accountable. They say these things so that those who lost everything feel like it wasn't their fault. In reality they knew, and the proof is how much the insurance companies charged for flood insurance. If you lived in the 9th ward they wanted 33% of the cost of your house each year for flood insurance. They knew.

The people who caused the mortgage crisis knew it would cause a mortgage crisis. They didn't care. They knew they would get rich in the process and then when the collapse came the US government would bail them out. Why? Because they had something over the federal government that was so bad they could not afford to prosecute one person who knew or even allow them to lose money.

Katrina was a cat. 1 hurricane when it hit New Orleans. So many failed levy's in a cat. 1 hurricane was what no one could have predicted, and you can't really blame insurance companies for charging more for people who live below sea level right next to the ocean. I don't know enough about the housing crisis to say anything on that subject. There's a difference in someone giving their opinion and being wrong, and someone claiming God has revealed the future to them, and being wrong.

klutedavid · Jun 12, 2020

Brian Mcnamee said:
Hi Dave in Jeremiah's day there were many false prophets and only a few true prophets. I do not see in scripture where they ever stoned a false prophet or where they stoned a rebellious child although both were recorded in the law as edicts from the LORD.

Look again.

Hebrews 11:32-38
And what more shall I say? For time will fail me if I tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets... and others experienced mockings and scourgings, yes, also chains and imprisonment. They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were tempted, they were put to death with the sword; they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated, men of whom the world was not worthy, wandering in deserts and mountains and caves and holes in the ground.

If the true prophets were treated like that, then it is obvious that false prophets were treated harshly also.

ZNP · Jun 12, 2020

Jermayn said:
Katrina was a cat. 1 hurricane when it hit New Orleans. So many failed levy's in a cat. 1 hurricane was what no one could have predicted, and you can't really blame insurance companies for charging more for people who live below sea level right next to the ocean. I don't know enough about the housing crisis to say anything on that subject. There's a difference in someone giving their opinion and being wrong, and someone claiming God has revealed the future to them, and being wrong.

The wind didn't cause the levies to break, in fact the hurricane had passed and headed north, people thought they had lucked out and then the floods came down the Mississippi and wiped out the levies. That was precisely what our professors told us would happen by trying to put levies up around the Mississippi.

Jermayn · Jun 12, 2020

ZNP said:
The wind didn't cause the levies to break, in fact the hurricane had passed and headed north, people thought they had lucked out and then the floods came down the Mississippi and wiped out the levies. That was precisely what our professors told us would happen by trying to put levies up around the Mississippi.

Yes, which no one could have predicted.

ZNP · Jun 12, 2020

Jermayn said:
Yes, which no one could have predicted.

OK, lets get a little lesson in Geology.

The Mississippi river is like a conveyor belt bringing dirt down from the Rockies to the Ocean. In the Spring time the river floods when the winter snows melt. This puts a thin layer of silt on the surrounding land, that is great for farming. But unfortunately this process also causes the river to constantly change course. That was disadvantageous for shipping, so the Army corp of engineers built levies to keep the river in the channel and they dredged the channel. But this in turn starved the delta of getting a fresh layer of silt each year. This sinking delta had been a protection from hurricanes but as it sunk into the ocean the wall of protection sunk with it. There was no way the Army corp of Engineers could dredge enough to keep up with the amount of soil being transported down, so in a bizarre twist, the river kept rising like on an elevator and the engineers built walls to keep it in that channel, walls built on sand.

The proof that they predicted it would happen is that the insurance companies charged 33% of the cost of a house to insure it against a flood. If you have a $300,000 house you had to pay $100,000 a year to insure it against floods. Of course no one could afford that and you will see that all the corporations did not locate in the 9th ward, that is why it was a place for poor people to live.

Did you ever see a picture of the 9th ward? I saw a picture of a large oil tanker riding by on the river, and it was about 3 stories above the height of the house which was next to the wall.

Maria Billingsley · Jun 12, 2020

eye_spy_the_cia said:
Hi,

What are some examples of prophecies that failed to come to pass/never happened? (including ones from the Old Testament)

Thanks for your time!

Welcome! None from the Old Testament have failed, they have all been fulfilled to completeness, through our Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth. As far as the New Testament, you will see the fulfillment documented by the Apostles of Jesus Christ of Nazareth thus none have failed there either. The only prophesy left to be fulfilled is the last day. The second coming of Jesus Christ of Nazareth in the twinkle of an eye where all will be set forth before Him for judgment or reconciliation before The Father. Be blessed.

Redwingfan9 · Jun 12, 2020

eye_spy_the_cia said:
Hi,

What are some examples of prophecies that failed to come to pass/never happened? (including ones from the Old Testament)

Thanks for your time!

Nothing in scripture has failed. All of modern prophecy fails though.

Aussie Pete · Jun 12, 2020

ZNP said:
Actually the greek word for prophecy has three definitions, only one is to speak something before it happens. Speak for, and Speak forth are two other valid definitions.

Agreed, but the context was the predictive meaning.

Brian Mcnamee · Jun 13, 2020

klutedavid said:
Look again.

Hebrews 11:32-38
And what more shall I say? For time will fail me if I tell of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, of David and Samuel and the prophets... and others experienced mockings and scourgings, yes, also chains and imprisonment. They were stoned, they were sawn in two, they were tempted, they were put to death with the sword; they went about in sheepskins, in goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, ill-treated, men of whom the world was not worthy, wandering in deserts and mountains and caves and holes in the ground.

If the true prophets were treated like that, then it is obvious that false prophets were treated harshly also.

lol in Jeremiah's day only the true prophets were treated poorly; you can speculate all you want but is there one case of a false prophet being stoned?

Dave L · Jun 13, 2020

Brian Mcnamee said:
I'd say your statement that they did stone them is also speculation and I was responding to your opinion noting that it is in the law but not recorded as having been practiced is more accurate then your statement that they did do these things. I can't be wrong as my statement was only they did not record them doing that. You might be wrong because you say they did stone them when no such incident is recorded.

Are you are picking a fight over nothing?

klutedavid · Jun 13, 2020

Brian Mcnamee said:
lol in Jeremiah's day only the true prophets were treated poorly; you can speculate all you want but is there one case of a false prophet being stoned?

There you go.

1 Kings 18:38-40
Then the fire of the Lord fell and consumed the burnt offering and the wood and the stones and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. When all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said, “The Lord, He is God; the Lord, He is God.” Then Elijah said to them, “Seize the prophets of Baal; do not let one of them escape.” So they seized them; and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

dqhall · Jun 13, 2020

ZNP said:
Well the NT records them stoning true prophets like Stephen and Paul, but to assume they didn't stone false prophets as well seems unreasonable.

I think what you meant was "stoning prophets is part of the Old Covenant and is not part of the New". That may be true, but since both covenants are currently in effect it is not really relevant.

Jesus did not stone anyone. Jesus preached against violence. He said, “Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.” The OT law against murder is not nullified in the coming of Christ.

In the law Moses wrote a prophet will come after him. The coming prophet should be obeyed (Deuteronomy 15). Jesus is a prophet greater than Moses.

ZNP · Jun 13, 2020

dqhall said:
Jesus did not stone anyone. Jesus preached against violence. He said, “Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.” The OT law against murder is not nullified in the coming of Christ.

In the law Moses wrote a prophet will come after him. The coming prophet should be obeyed (Deuteronomy 15). Jesus is a prophet greater than Moses.

Hmmm. Ok, I don't exactly agree with what you said. Jesus preached against us using violence, absolutely. The NT tells us "vengeance is mine, I will repay". God repays, not us.

So I have a question for you, according to Revelation 19:20 the false prophet is thrown into the lake of fire. But the Great White throne judgment is not until chapter 20. So somehow the false prophet was judged, and the sentence carried out before the Great White throne judgement. The only judgement I can see prior to that is the judgement seat of Christ which is supposed to be for believers.

The only way I can explain this (and I welcome anyone who can shed light on this) is that the false prophet argued that he was a believer and should be judged at the judgement seat of Christ just as the Lord said that "many will say to me Lord, Lord and I will say depart from me workers of iniquity". The false prophet deceives himself, not just others.

Lee Stuvmen · Jun 13, 2020

eye_spy_the_cia said:
Hi,

What are some examples of prophecies that failed to come to pass/never happened? (including ones from the Old Testament)

Thanks for your time!

Prophecy, by it's very definition, is the ability to foresee future events that at some point will occur and be documented at their fulfillment, as "Human History". Definition of PROPHECY

Therefore, TRUE PROPHECY WOULD WITHOUT FAIL, detail future events that would later be recorded as "Documented Human History", AFTER those events had occurred.

IF the books of Daniel and Revelation are TRUE PROPHECY, they would HAVE TO walk lockstep and hand in hand with "Documented Human History.

ONLY THE TESTIMONY of "Documented Human History" can dispel as falsehood, or vindicate as truth, the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation, and serve to pinpoint where in Scriptural prophecy humanity truly stands at this point in time.

IF we truly seek to understand Scriptural prophecy and yet cannot, perhaps it is time to seek another path to lead us to the understanding that our mouths say we desire.

Perhaps it is time that we
-Consider the Testimony of Scriptural Prophecies

-Verses the Testimony of "Documented Human History",

Or we can be satisfied without answers to the questions we find ourselves still asking.
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